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Perfect 10 | 12 | 26.09% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 15 | 32.61% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 36.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 4.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2014-01-15, 13:22 | Link #81 | |
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One of the things I took from the "Mako's family gets rich" episode is actually the considerable degree of upward mobility that exists in the society of this show. If you have talent, and if you apply that talent through hard work and dedication, you can go very high in this system. That being said, I do think that episode was critical of the personal compromises that often are made when people "shoot for the top" and dedicate everything to gaining/maintaining fame and fortune. Still, in a truly rigid class system, "Old Rich" (families that have been wealthy for a long time) would have held the "New Rich" of Mako's family with a certain degree of disdain. But we didn't see that at all in the "Mako's family gets rich" episode. Satsuki herself could be considered a representative of "Old Rich" given the wealth and success of her parents, and she showed Mako considerable respect after Mako went high. Also, I think that Mako has been treated with a certain lasting respect since she reached those heights. Consider how the Elite Four have talked with her in recent episodes. I don't get any vibe of "Who the hell do you think you are, you no-star commoner? You have no business talking with the likes of us!" They carry on pretty normal conversations with Mako, seemingly caring not that much about her no-star commoner status. In fact, I think Gamagoor really likes her.
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2014-01-15, 16:29 | Link #82 | |||||
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Do you remember when Sayaka used the term "petty bourgeoisie" in Madoka to describe her living status? The phrase was coined by Marx, as a way to describe the middle class: the small scale capitalists (small business owners) who of themselves were of mostly modest income (compared to the rich) but of higher social and financial status than the working and poor classes. Quote:
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Except for the elite four, who Ryoko defeated and yet were still allowed to keep their status after their failure. So there's your double standard. Quote:
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2014-01-15, 18:50 | Link #83 | |||
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Whereas the Elite Four have proven to be of high character and/or very useful to Satsuki. One loss to Ryoko doesn't change that.
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2014-01-15, 19:08 | Link #84 | |
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The issue with Satsuki's (really a mirror of Revocs') system in practice isn't really being a meritocracy, or a lack of upward mobility. It's the motivating factor Revocs/Satsuki's system provides as a reward for said 'merit' (i.e. material wealth). Satsuki's Elite Four are treated 'better' (rather, with more trust) than Satsuki's other underlings because they have an underlying loyalty to Satsuki herself, rather than her system. Satsuki has likely gone out of her way to instill that loyalty and cultivate their abilities precisely so that they could resist Revocs' system. I figure 'class mobility' within the one star and two star classes really is pretty fluid under Satsuki's system. It's the three star rank which is pretty much unreachable under Satsuki, but it seems like that's basically a consequence of Satsuki herself, not her system. However, given what we saw in Mako's episode, even 2 star status is enough to achieve a ridiculous degree of material wealth. I'd say the issue is that Satsuki's/Revocs' system assumes and encourages blind self-interest and materialism, not so much that it is (barring positions at the absolute top, such as Ragyou/Satsuki) unfair. |
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2014-01-16, 03:40 | Link #85 | |||
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It's like any organization: you have the head (Satsuki), the muscle (Elite Four), and the body (the faceless students). I wonder if that's intentional, since the clubs are like this as well. You have the unique club leader, and the identical regular members. @Sol: An interesting line of thought. Can't say I don't see where you're coming from, and I agree with it for the most part. But there is a moral argument to be made about the fairness of a system that encourages those things even if they are consequences and not intended functions.
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2014-01-17, 15:41 | Link #87 |
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Oh, how I have missed you, KLK! And what a way to start the second cours: Blitzkrieg á la Kiryuuin style, the first step towards world domination all under the keen observation of her mother who herself has established her own empire with her monopoly on clothing. Right now she's still amused upon following her daughter's aspirations but will that last when she eventually gets dethroned by her own offspring?
Also good to see Trigger following up their clothing analogy to the end. Once again the concept of shame pops up in regard to clothing, however, this time around it's about clothing as a mean to cover up shame opposed to shame caused by clothing. Ragyou' logic twists clothing as status symbol which has been presented to us until now to one that epitomizes sin and as Satsuki points out depicts a measure to connect the world (in her own favour, of course...). Logically that constitutes a world that is in its entirety hold together by the concept of sin. Going with the biblical original sin metaphor, the interpretation of the usage of clothes as result of humanity's achievment of free will fits awefully well with Satsuki's mindset: Only those who act under their own volition are deemed worthy by her to wear the most prestigious Life-fiber uniforms. While Nui's disguise really caught me off-guard I'm almost a bit disappointed to see the seemingly new addition to the cast getting discarded so quickly. It would have been really interesting to see upright and idealistic Shinjiro Nagita ( a shout-out to the Japanese student movement during the 1960s?) as the initiator of a new opposing force against the fascistic nature of Honnouji Academy, this time organized by the students themselves. |
2014-03-15, 13:15 | Link #88 |
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I rewatched the entire series recently and was amused by an audio pun in this episode. At about 15:15 Nui, disguised as school editor Nagita, is chased off by the Disciplinary Committee. Her pursuers use the same "Police! Police!" cry that Akai's minions use in Nakashima's Oh! Edo Rocket (around 3:15 in episode one).
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