Unfairly killing off a character

[ILikeSquiReLz]

Originally Posted by Shrimpusmaximus

Checked the book and no the special jounin are not jounin skill.

The ranks are based loosly off of actual ninja ranking. A Genin was a specialist, not a weakling. He would have a specific role like archer or swordsman and while the whole group would have certain base skills that would be his area of expertise. The chuunin would lead the squad and provide overall knowledge to pick up a role in case of fatalities and a JOunin was a master ninja mostly involved in training though in the right circumstances he would act alone or as a squad leader.

In naruto, they are gradations of leadership and skill. For those with no leadership and only aptitude for hurting people there is ANBU. Special Jounin have jounin skills and the honorary rank but are not full jounin. Elite Jounin like Kakashi and Gai are what we would call special.

Well, if we reffer to the real world not all NINJA SOCIETY were the same, actually alot of Ninja cultures are lost due to the Ninja's secretive nature, there is actually alot about them that we can't possibly know. You guys seem to talk about them like there was only one group or society. There were actually alot of different ones and I would bet that they were all different (ie In the world of Martial Arts today there are more than 200 types of belt systems used to determine rank and qualifications) -just my 2 cents

And actually alot of Ninja's were ex Samurai's come to think of it. I'm sure they all had diff. reasons as to why go renegade (I would Imagine when the Samurai class was made to sleep with each other to "become closser allies and friends, LoL they probly became Ninja's that way -haha) -but on the serious note- alot were just Samurai's who supposedly lost honor and so fort.....

There are also some speculation's about Chinese Monks who taught some of the Ninja's in the art of close combat and Assasination..... well there are alot of speculations but that's perhaps all we can do

and with the topic

I too would've love to see what he can do, but never know we might just some how see it later via someone remembering (ie maybe Baki thinking of how much Gaara is becoming like his father or how much he even just looks like him and triger in from there)

sorry if my grammar sucks tonight but I'm tired and sick but still a Naruto Addict

[kboykb]

The Naruto Character Book is quite official, nothing in there is made up. Sarca just translated what was written there. Although the actual statistics of the characters shouldn't be taken with 100% accuracy (Gai's 5 doesn't in strength doesn't = a 5 from Tsuande in strength), I do think the ranks should be taken seriously.

Yes, I hate saying special jounins are just strong chuunins with certain jounin level skills.. hmm, I'd much rather say they're all weak jounins with certain abilities, but that isn't the case. Just look at Ebisu's graph, he actually ranks lower than chuunin in a couple of skills, and definitely jounin level in others, but he's still a special jounin.

Still though, I can't base everything on the graphs. If I did, I'd say that Ibiki was the closest of all the special jounin to becoming a real jounin (since he seems to be kinda all around in skills).

[MysticNinjaJay]

Originally Posted by kboykb

The Naruto Character Book is quite official, nothing in there is made up. Sarca just translated what was written there. Although the actual statistics of the characters shouldn't be taken with 100% accuracy (Gai's 5 doesn't in strength doesn't = a 5 from Tsuande in strength), I do think the ranks should be taken seriously.

Yes, I hate saying special jounins are just strong chuunins with certain jounin level skills.. hmm, I'd much rather say they're all weak jounins with certain abilities, but that isn't the case. Just look at Ebisu's graph, he actually ranks lower than chuunin in a couple of skills, and definitely jounin level in others, but he's still a special jounin.

Still though, I can't base everything on the graphs. If I did, I'd say that Ibiki was the closest of all the special jounin to becoming a real jounin (since he seems to be kinda all around in skills).

Gai isn't at jounin level in Ninjutsu or Genjutsu is he? Wouldn't that make him a jounin who specializes in taijutsu? That just doesn't seem right. I think saying weaker jounin is more sensible and just as correct afterall how can you be a jounin if you are a chuunin? You'd be a jounin who specializes in certain areas and isn't as well rounded as the elite but a jounin nontheless

[Tsukuyomi]

some things are just better left unheard... ;_;
it just wouldn't tie into the storyline that well it's more like a waste of a filler than some totaly cool hokage fight...

[Hideki Keiji]

Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

Gai isn't at jounin level in Ninjutsu or Genjutsu is he? Wouldn't that make him a jounin who specializes in taijutsu? That just doesn't seem right. I think saying weaker jounin is more sensible and just as correct afterall how can you be a jounin if you are a chuunin? You'd be a jounin who specializes in certain areas and isn't as well rounded as the elite but a jounin nontheless

Gai, however, is above average jounin skill in strength, stamina, speed, and Taijutsu, as well as being decent in everything else. He is a Jounin who specializes in Taijutsu, but he's not a special Jounin. I think it has to do with overall strength, if you add up the numbers, full Jounins have higher totals than special Jounins, who have higher totals than Chuunins, who generally have higher totals than Genins. However, there isn't really an example of normal Jounins as compared to elite Jounins(Asuma and Kurenai seem equal with Kakashi and Gai), I'd assume that they're in between special Jounins and elite Jounins. The data book is confusing anyways, there is no making sense of it sometimes.

[chocobo]

Originally Posted by Ponko

I also laugh because the Kazekage looks really short. ^___^ Not a good sign if Gaara ever hopes to stop being called shrimp.

According to the official character book, he's 40 years old (birthday March 29th);his height is 176.5cm; and his weight is 64.1kg; blood type A; favourite food is meat dishes

[chocobo]

Originally Posted by ShurikenJay

"Special Jounin" is something that does not make sense. What the hell are you talking about? If he is "special" that would mean he is really good or has a special job (being an examiner).

Actually it is true - i looked it up in the Naruto official character book and Hayate is listed as "Tokubetsu jounin" which translates as "Special Jounin"; I looked up the term in the Glossary section of the book and yes, a "special jounin" is in between a jouin and chuunin, and s/he usually specialises in something, e.g. espionage, interrogation, etc. (hence the name "special jounin"). Ebisu is also a special jounin.

[U-Sasuke]

!!!!!!!

I am not sure if I am correct to say this, but the interpretion I had after watching over 114 episodes was that Kazekage was killed so Orochimaru could disguise as him in an effort to kill the Third.

NEVER did I recall Kazekage doing the flashback on how the sand village was ignored and affected negatively by the peace treaty signed by Konoha. It was the Sensei of Gaara, Temari and Konkaru who did the flashback.

I think the the point in which our opinions started taking different directions was when we saw how the Sand Jounin (Sensei no Sand) bowed down to an assumingly Kazakage to follow his orders. Question is, was Kazekage already dead by then? Was it Kazakage's original intention to destryo Konoha, or was that Orochimaru in disguise who gave the orders to kill?

[Ponko]

Originally Posted by chocobo

According to the official character book, he's 40 years old (birthday March 29th);his height is 176.5cm; and his weight is 64.1kg; blood type A; favourite food is meat dishes

I actually have the character book, but since my Japanese is limited, I could never figure out what his favourite food was, just his kids. That's for letting me know. I like the Sand family, and I wish they would get more screen time. I still laugh at the Kazekage's shortness. He is not the shortest of the adults, but on Japanese sites they always emphasize his size, and usually make him sensitive about it.

I don't suppose you know all of Baki's info, do you? I have his height, weight, birthday, blood type ect, but I cannot read any of his favourites and least favourites.

[ctown]

The Story is concentrated at Konoha not the Sand village. It's enough to know that the sand hoke is dead and that all we need to know

[fieryshadowcard]

Can people just come out and say what they're really trying to say?

It's not just the Kazekage, Dosu, Hayate, strong characters, weak characters, or characters with varying degrees of importance (if any). The question is: why hasn't Kishimoto taken the time to properly develop or showcase the characters he's introduced?

I'm still highly upset that Naruto, the protagonist, was more concerned with Sasuke not becoming a Chuunin after the Chuunin exam than realizing that he himself had a long way to go. Lessons he should be learning aren't getting learned; he just plows through everything. This wouldn't be a problem if he were mainly a tool to enhance the presence of all the supporting characters (ie. the Suikoden hero, etc.), but we get so much screentime of him, a little more development seems necessary. To be honest, he hasn't changed much since his conversation with Haku in the forest.

On the other hand there are attempts at development for Sakura and Sasuke, but they end before they begin.

We don't see any of the bonding that happens between the Sand Siblings after the Chuunin exam. They still walk with each other saying very little, just no longer with the fear of Gaara killing the other two.

Hinata, Naruto's personal stalker, was motivated by Naruto's impressive willpower for one moment, but then she regressed back to her amazingly timid self real fast.

And then there's the inconsistency between development and results. Characters like Rock Lee, who are clearly driven and constantly seeking to improve themselves, are constantly thwarted again and again, which completely undermines the point of making them so driven in the first place. We get characters like Gai who represent what people like Lee can become, but we never see any kind of progress whatsoever. As cool as it was to see Lee outperforming Kimimaro while drunk, I can't treat that as any result I could be proud of. One, it's another "latent power" scenario (ie. pills, Kyuubi), in which case Lee gets uber-powerful because of something which defeats the entire purpose of "hard work"; it would have been acceptable if Lee were conscious of his aptitude with the Drunken Fist style, or if he had at least trained to do the style while sober. Two, because of the nature in which we learned of it, and because despite all its hype Kimimaro quickly put an end to it, Rock Lee's improvements couldn't be taken seriously and lost all credibility. If Shino is considered a filler character, in which case his improvements don't matter, what does that say about Rock Lee, who gets shafted every time we see him?

Instead, he's forced to believe Naruto got by on hard work (he didn't see the Naruto-Neji fight; he only heard the result), but no matter how hard he tries for himself, he can't produce any kind of result.

Just what is the message of this anime? "Without a demon, laser eye surgery, a Sannin teacher, or the literal title of genius, you're nothing?"

It's vexing. It truly is...

[Yachiru]

The sand kage wasn't a particularly powerful character, there was no need for them to show a fight over an insignificant person.

[sarrah]

well i think they put him in, so we now know that there is a NEED to fill his position...in comes his son....GAaRA!!!!
he makes a brilliant kazekage!!!
i love his charcter!

[MobiuS]

Originally Posted by J_san

Spoiler:

I don't think we've been show any sound so far besides orochimaru and kabuto who could do it. The sound 4 aren't too high fighting level wise. If the 4 of them could take him out, he would have been quite a dissapointment. It almost definitely had to be orochimaru and kabuto.

Spoiler:

Actually ... the Spiderman of the SOund 4 would easily take care of practically any Kage. Those webs plus his 120% accuracy bow = end of story. For practically anyone, really. I think Neji unfairly beat him. That web-chakra thing he used to stun him is pretty bs. If not ... why doesnt he just practise wire tricks and use his chakra to bake the insides of every opponent? Spiderman could take on practically anyone in the series in a 1 vs 1 fight. His techniques practically meant he kept his distance and he would never miss a shot against you. If he were dead serious like any real fighter should be, Neji would have been dead immediately he discovered the blindspot ...