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Originally Posted by HirouKeimou
All I'd like to say at this point in this argument is that in real life, a child (regardless of age) rarely comprehends right or wrong without learning first-hand through experience. Right now, Heinz more than likely believes he is doing right because others say so; later on, Heinz will likely learn or discover his actions are not justice for his people. It's not fully a question of his age or mentality, it's about him learning the difference between right or wrong, and I could argue this is a big thing in real-life wars...
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Yes, exactly. His adults in charge told him it's right, so he believes is right. It's simple because children only start develop their own morals after they are 12 years old, when, you know abstract thinking develops.
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Originally Posted by Matts
But Heinz is not a child, according to Wind logic at least. I mean Freyja was supposed to marry years ago? There's a lot about Wind society not explored. No, I don't care about the manga.
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No? He's very much a child. The magazine which had Kawamori and staff talking about the Windermerians stated that they age as humans until their late 20s. His brain and neurological functions is of a child. He could be more 'mature', but that's his personality not his neurological
capacity which is tied to his biological development. A teenager is capable to conceive and sire children, so biologically Freyja is ready to be a mother. Do not confuse one thing with the other. We're not addressing maturity or something like that, but a biological fact that the brain of a nine/ten years old is incapable to make abstract thinking and his empathy relies mostly on the immediately environment and group they belong. This is why child soldiers are picked to be indoctrinated in this age group. It's not like Heinz has any contact with
anything except his family and Roid. His socialization process is narrowed to his circle.
Heinz is addressed as a
child by Mikumo and the others too.
Also Keith shot down people when he was 12 years old (near puberty) and Herman treated it as a tragedy because he was too young for that (but it was a desperate situation). While two years in adults make little difference, it does make difference in the development stages of neurological functions in children.
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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh
No, I'm arguing that the consequences of his actions are too abstract for him to understand. He hasn't seen any of the victims. He may know there's suffering involved, but balancing that against the supposed necessities of Wind's actions, against the supposedly horrible consequences of inaction... I don't have a problem seeing it as beyond him.
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This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Thinking about lofty aspects are tied with a function of the brain that develops roughly with puberty. Without direct contact, without direct examples telling him otherwise,
Heinz has absolutely no clue about any moral consequences. Keith gave him a concrete consequence if he fails: that hole in their planet. That's what he grasps. That's what he sees when he vacillates. Because children of Heinz age need a proof solid in front of them to grasp the circumstances.
This isn't sociopathy or none of that rubbish, but uh how the brain develops in children.
They don't grasp it because they are incapable yet. He does care because he empathizes when he is indeed show suffering (Freyja's memories, he mused about them). But he needs to be showed this. He's being kept as a bird in a cage so far.
That's why Freyja wants to reach out for
him as was established before we were consumed by conspiracies and bad writing. Because Macross is a show about listening and if she (and Mikumo) is able to make him listen to them and see what happens. Make him understand there is another way, IMO.
Well before all these conspiracies which derailed everything IMO, now Roid is kind of connected to the ruins?? It's just a mess.
