Log Horizon - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[II Maestro]

Spoiler for Ugh~!!!:

Just love that reaction~!

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by LystAP

Remember who's the immortal "monsters" here; the only reason why the Landers are not outright aggressive towards the adventurers that they need them to protect the People of the Land from the other monsters.

Does people of land even need protection? Most of them appearently live in safe areas and only hunters and other similiar oriented guys wander into wilderness. Not to mention there is plenty of people who genuinely get allong with players just fine (Soujiro has even one lander girl in his harem)

It could be different before the Armagedon, but not anymore.

[DQueenie13]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Does people of land even need protection? Most of them appearently live in safe areas and only hunters and other similiar oriented guys wander into wilderness. Not to mention there is plenty of people who genuinely get allong with players just fine (Soujiro has even one lander girl in his harem)

It could be different before the Armagedon, but not anymore.

Well, Landers usually gave quests, some of which would be your typical escort mission or "help me by gathering X amount of material, it's too dangerous for me to go!"

So they might not need protection, but they sometimes needed an Adventurer's help. That said, everything changed when the Apocalypse happened.

[Requiem-x]

I haven't even read the novels, but my god, did crunchyroll screw up the princess' name (I got Reynesia, anyone else?).

Anyway, a pretty good episode, especially since I feared it would be pure filler, but instead we're getting much deeper into the story and into the whole issue with the People of the Land, which I honestly believed would take longer, but very glad that wasn't the case. Also glad to see Tohya and Minori aren't being left aside.

Favorite part by far, though, was this

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[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Does people of land even need protection? Most of them appearently live in safe areas and only hunters and other similiar oriented guys wander into wilderness.

But a lot of these "Lander safe areas" would only have been safe because the monster populations were being kept under control by adventurers. When monster populations grow to big, they expand. When they expand, they spread into human realm.

With the adventurers currently spending more time building their lives and less time raiding, monster populations must be booming. That's likely what the hunter saw in the shadows.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Does people of land even need protection? Most of them appearently live in safe areas and only hunters and other similiar oriented guys wander into wilderness. Not to mention there is plenty of people who genuinely get allong with players just fine (Soujiro has even one lander girl in his harem)

It could be different before the Armagedon, but not anymore.

Up to this point, not much is revealed about intentions of Eastal noble's invitation. But it worths to consider why would they want to nominate a member of the Round Table as noble. Nothing is given free in negotiations.

What do they know about adventurers? At the start of this ep we are shown the opinions of two Landers, and that implies what is commonly known about adventurers: Very strong, but bloodshed is often accompanied by their actions, non-productive, cannot live on their own. What's more know by the nobles: adventurers are forming a government and having various revolutions. So what do they want is quite well hinted.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Keroko

But a lot of these "Lander safe areas" would only have been safe because the monster populations were being kept under control by adventurers. When monster populations grow to big, they expand. When they expand, they spread into human realm.

With the adventurers currently spending more time building their lives and less time raiding, monster populations must be booming. That's likely what the hunter saw in the shadows.

The game mechanics that still seem to be in effect may prevent that. Monsters are generally unable to enter towns and similar such areas, and unable to spawn beyond certain numbers. I don't think that's likely to have changed, because that's a specific rule that was in the system. For the most part the things they've been able to do that weren't in the game have been things where the game rules and systems didn't cover.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

The game mechanics that still seem to be in effect may prevent that. Monsters are generally unable to enter towns and similar such areas, and unable to spawn beyond certain numbers. I don't think that's likely to have changed, because that's a specific rule that was in the system. For the most part the things they've been able to do that weren't in the game have been things where the game rules and systems didn't cover.

Big cities, yes. Those have specific settings in place to prevent monster entry. But villages? Those might not have the same protection. If they do, there would be little reason for the hunter to be so worried.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Big cities, yes. Those have specific settings in place to prevent monster entry. But villages? Those might not have the same protection. If they do, there would be little reason for the hunter to be so worried.

We don't know what he's looking at. It may have nothing to do with monsters at all. It may be something else, which could cause trouble for places people live. It could be something to do with a major world event, in which case protection for habitation areas would no longer be guaranteed, since events can sometimes include cities being attacked and overrun, or other such things. It could be some giant cthuloid alien monster who sucked everyone into Elder Tale from our world and is now going about some evil plan of its own. We simply don't know.

[lordblazer]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

We don't know what he's looking at. It may have nothing to do with monsters at all. It may be something else, which could cause trouble for places people live. It could be something to do with a major world event, in which case protection for habitation areas would no longer be guaranteed, since events can sometimes include cities being attacked and overrun, or other such things. It could be some giant cthuloid alien monster who sucked everyone into Elder Tale from our world and is now going about some evil plan of its own. We simply don't know.

Would be crazy if it was an invention an adventurer came up with and is using... I dunno. I think it might go in that direction for some reason.

[GundamFan]

Originally Posted by lordblazer

Would be crazy if it was an invention an adventurer came up with and is using... I dunno. I think it might go in that direction for some reason.

It seems very unlikely that they'd have developed anything yet that would get that kind of reaction at this point there still working the kinks out the of the steam engine. I'm guessing either some sort of in game event, or monster could be an old boss or a new monster for the expansion pack.

Poor Akatsuki the first couple times Henrietta was mild amusing it's gotten rather creepy though.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

We don't know what he's looking at. It may have nothing to do with monsters at all. It may be something else, which could cause trouble for places people live. It could be something to do with a major world event, in which case protection for habitation areas would no longer be guaranteed, since events can sometimes include cities being attacked and overrun, or other such things. It could be some giant cthuloid alien monster who sucked everyone into Elder Tale from our world and is now going about some evil plan of its own. We simply don't know.

The hunter's reaction was one of recognition, so it's not something completely alien to Elder Tale. So at best it's a giant monster event. Which is still something the Landers need Adventurers to deal with if they don't want to suffer massive losses themselves.

[Tenzen12]

If you watch that scene again you would notice that many landers never even met adventurers in first place, which means simply have to be self-sufficient. On top of that considering many landers are adults or even elders it clear they were able live their lives prior first adventurers even appeared which was plus minus 20 years ago.

So no People of land doesn't have to depend on adventurers but vice versa. Which is also exactly what Shiroe said episode ago.

[Keroko]

They don't have to meet adventurers to benefit from their presence. I've never talked to an orange farmer in my life, but I still enjoy my daily glass of orange juice. Adventurers keep monster populations down, Landers benefit from lack of monsters.

And I don't recall the anime saying that adventurers first appeared 20 years ago...

[Tenzen12]

1)Log horizon is twenty years old game.

2)It doesn't realy metter if adventurers slaying monsters hundred kilometers away, when you have them spawn right nearby. For landers to benefit from players means they would have be in vicinity and thus invetiable encounter them, especialy as villages are common place to replenish potions and repair weapons.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

1)Log horizon is twenty years old game.

Yes? How does this mean adventurers only existed in this world for only twenty years?

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

2)It doesn't realy metter if adventurers slaying monsters hundred kilometers away, when you have them spawn right nearby. For landers to benefit from players means they would have be in vicinity and thus invetiable encounter them, especialy as villages are common place to replenish potions and repair weapons.

That assumes they spawn right outside of Lander villages in the first place. Also, there's a lot of villages that never see adventurers due to them simply not having anything worth noting. Arb for example would be a village which in any normal MMO would have seen players zoom by it as if it never existed. Without shops, quests or anything else of interest only roleplayers would be spending time there.

[darksassin]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

1)Log horizon is twenty years old game.

2)It doesn't realy metter if adventurers slaying monsters hundred kilometers away, when you have them spawn right nearby. For landers to benefit from players means they would have be in vicinity and thus invetiable encounter them, especialy as villages are common place to replenish potions and repair weapons.

1) We dont know really if 20 years in real world= 20 years in this world. And more importantly, the name of the game is not Log Horizon, it is Elder Tale/Tales.

2)Lets see, An Adventurer buy a potion from a seller. Does the seller make the potion? Who gather ingredients for the potion? For all we know, the potions were probably made by someone else. If that is the case, yeah the lander can benefit from adventurers even if they never even met.We can see the Landers hunt for animal in this ep, so they cannot magically make stuff.

In any case, I doubt that most NPC can be killed while Elder Tale was still a game, or else, griefers will have a field day killing all important npc.(That is probably why Shiroe was concerned with the magic bag quest.)Also, the npc in game are drastically different than the Lander in this world. Who is to say the monters/mobs wont be different too?

On a side note, QUALITIES aside, I really enjoy this episode. It feels believable and interesting.

[Nvis]

I wonder why the King immediately looked at Shiroe after Krusty introduced himself?

And wonder if Raynesia will fall for someone.......

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by darksassin

1) We dont know really if 20 years in real world= 20 years in this world. And more importantly, the name of the game is not Log Horizon, it is Elder Tale/Tales.

2)Lets see, An Adventurer buy a potion from a seller. Does the seller make the potion? Who gather ingredients for the potion? For all we know, the potions were probably made by someone else. If that is the case, yeah the lander can benefit from adventurers even if they never even met.We can see the Landers hunt for animal in this ep, so they cannot magically make stuff.

In any case, I doubt that most NPC can be killed while Elder Tale was still a game, or else, griefers will have a field day killing all important npc.(That is probably why Shiroe was concerned with the magic bag quest.)Also, the npc in game are drastically different than the Lander in this world. Who is to say the monters/mobs wont be different too?

On a side note, QUALITIES aside, I really enjoy this episode. It feels believable and interesting.

1) I know, it's Elder Tale. I just didn't think when I writen it.
2) You can't have any benefit from someone you are completely isolated from. If there is village where all is known about players are just exaggerated rummors from friend of friend of friend, you can't expect functional bussiness relationship, nor any other.

Anyway, landers live more or less in peace for ages and there is no indication it is related to adventurers

[darksassin]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

1) I know, it's Elder Tale. I just didn't think when I writen it.
2) You can't have any benefit from someone you are completely isolated from. If there is village where all is known about players are just exaggerated rummors from friend of friend of friend, you can't expect functional bussiness relationship, nor any other.

Anyway, landers live more or less in peace for ages and there is no indication it is related to adventurers

1) Ok
2)Youre saying that its impossible for someone to benefit from someone else without that someone else be in vicinity. It is possible that in those villages, someone gathers ingredients for making potion who sell it to potion maker, who in turn make the potion and sell it to potion sellers in Akiba, who then sell it to Adventures. And there are also ingredients for foodmaking, which should be in high demands after the "food revolution".We dont know if this is true, but unless proven otherwise, it is unwise to say that those faraway villages doesnt get ANY benefit from adventurer.

Also, there is no indication that the Landers have lived in peace for ages. For all we know, it is possible that before the adventurers appeared, the landers were in chaos.

One more thing. We still dont know how monster "respawn" in this world, at least in the anime. Who knows? maybe the mobs gave birth to more mobs and train them to adulthood?*shrugs*. Or maybe there are respawn points for mobs that slowly expand their territories?. who knows?

Originally Posted by watisit

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Please refrain from giving future spoilers... This is anime discussion right?