Log Horizon - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll

[Estavali]

Spoiler for Nyaa, just in case~:

Could be just me, I think wonder if Souji's reacting to the mention of PK is a nod to what happened in the WWB manga =3

And the Blackswords washing up LH's guild house was hilarious (didn't know the Undines have custom sprites as well XD). Even the dramatic manner of their departure makes it even more amusing

The spies in Akiba is a nice touch. Not only does it help ease into the next arc, it also proves that Shiroe's claim of the Landers' sentience true.

[teja208]

Originally Posted by VTHokiePride

Probably since he's in the ED. I think there's going to negotiations with the People of the Land, but another faction will appear and a war is inevitable. Also, what are the fairy rings? Are those the rings that they kept focusing on during the episode? Do they do anything special?

Those rings aren't Fairy Rings, the rings in this episode are for Summoner class. It seems that Summoners need those rings to summon and control monsters. Notice that the furnace is powered using fire-typed summoned creatures.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by teja208

It seems that Summoners need those rings to summon and control monsters. Notice that the furnace were powered using fire-typed summoned monsters.

I ninja'd you. And you're incorrect. Check back on the previous page.

Oh you may be right about the summons, but that's not what fairy rings are.

[HandofFate]

didn't the crafting guilds pay 5mil to learn the secrets to the cooking? They didn't seem that annoyed when Shiroe and crew decided to just release all the info publicly for free right afterwards.

[Sound of Azure]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

I ninja'd you. And you're incorrect. Check back on the previous page.

Oh you may be right about the summons, but that's not what fairy rings are.

Isn't that what Teja said? That the rings are not Fairy rings?

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Sound of Azure

Isn't that what Teja said? That the rings are not Fairy rings?

He edited his post. Originally he didn't state that.

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by HandofFate

didn't the crafting guilds pay 5mil to learn the secrets to the cooking? They didn't seem that annoyed when Shiroe and crew decided to just release all the info publicly for free right afterwards.

I think by now, they already realized that the food stuff doesn't matter as much. They got a place on the council and there is order now in the city, so that in a way makes it "worthwhile".

And besides, if they didn't release the information and all the guilds just kept it for themselves, bad things may happen.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by teja208

Those rings aren't Fairy Rings, the rings in this episode are for Summoner class. It seems that Summoners need those rings to summon and control monsters. Notice that the furnace is powered using fire-typed summoned creatures.

Not exactly, those rings have nothing to do with Summoners, or even adventurers. They're ranking badges to notify that these people are important servants of Eastal.

[teja208]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

He edited his post. Originally he didn't state that.

That's right. Sorry about that.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Not exactly, those rings have nothing to do with Summoners, or even adventurers. They're ranking badges to notify that these people are important servants of Eastal.

Ahh, I see. Thanks for the correction.

[Roger Rambo]

Shiroe probably made the best point during that meeting about the People of the Land. This world already had a fully functional economic/social system in place prior to all the Adventurers showing up, and thus are more or less independent of the Adventurers. the same cannot be said in reverse. The Adventurers are tied to the town infrastructure and need it to survive. That dependency on the people of the land makes determining how to interact with them extremely important.Even if the POTL are not people...a violent response from a windup doll imitating a human being can be just as dangerous as a violent response from an actual human being.

There's also the fact that at this point in time we have no idea if the "no in town fighting" rule applies to people of the land. So far we haven't seem them attack anybody. An adventurer being substantially stronger than POTL doesn't matter if Adventurers can't fight back if attacked.

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Not exactly, those rings have nothing to do with Summoners, or even adventurers. They're ranking badges to notify that these people are important servants of Eastal.

Kinda silly for spies to wear badges so openly imho. They might as well walk into the city square or Guild Centre and shout, "I'm here to spy your secrets! Welcome me like the guest I am wwwwww!"

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Shiroe probably made the best point during that meeting about the People of the Land. This world already had a fully functional economic/social system in place prior to all the Adventurers showing up, and thus are more or less independent of the Adventurers. the same cannot be said in reverse. The Adventurers are tied to the town infrastructure and need it to survive. That dependency on the people of the land makes determining how to interact with them extremely important.

Even if the POTL are not people...a violent response from a windup doll imitating a human being can be just as dangerous as a violent response from an actual human being.

Well, in the world of Elder Tales, they are human; the immortal monsters are the adventurers. Up until then, from the perspective of the People of the Land, adventurers were semi-robotic avatars that barely spoke to them, and went around doing nonsensical things, like dancing naked on a mailbox or running into a wall for hours on end. One of the main things that caused the People of the Land to notice the Apocalypse is that the adventurers started to act like humans; while the Apocalypse brought everyone into the world, to the Landers, barely anything changed until they noticed what happened to the adventurers.

[Xellos-_^]

i love the addition of the cosplay undines

[Roger Rambo]

Though really. The fact that this happened just as a new expansion is something that would make me nervous about people potentially going out to interact with the new game content. It's content that hasn't been subjected to real mass player interaction, and there aren't any moderators to patch problems.

Remember the Corrupted Blood Incident? Where a new dungeon had a new high level boss with a transmittable HP draining spell? The designers didn't expect it to get out of the dungeon, but various shenanigans allowed it to spread to the outside world. A single infected person with the condition could potentially kill hundreds of player/non player characters.


...only this would be worse. Since there wouldn't be mods to try to reset the server to deal with the outbreak. Even if the players could deal with it, there's still the problem that a dungeon that could spawn effects like this. It'd essentially always be hanging out there for any potential terrorists to exploit by intentionally infecting themselves.

I'd be VERY nervous about checking out New Dungeons.

Originally Posted by LystAP

Well, in the world of Elder Tales, they are human; the immortal monsters are the adventurers. Up until then, from the perspective of the People of the Land, adventurers were semi-robotic avatars that barely spoke to them, and went around doing nonsensical things, like dancing naked on a mailbox or running into a wall for hours on end. One of the main things that caused the People of the Land to notice the Apocalypse is that the adventurers started to act like humans; while the Apocalypse brought everyone into the world, to the Landers, barely anything changed until they noticed what happened to the adventurers.

Well being able to distinguish between normal/abnormal persons is probably a sign that the people of the land lean towards being more like human beings than not. Especially when you start factoring in the fact that THEY'RE not the freakish immortal superbeings in this world.

Think about it. Suppose if you plucked some person from the 1950's into the world of Elder Tales. Without the cultural background to recognize this world was based on an MMORPG, would he have any reason to assume that the people of the land weren't perfectly normal people? He'd certainly scoff at the assertion of these immortal super freaks that THEY were the normal humans.

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Estavali

Kinda silly for spies to wear badges so openly imho. They might as well walk into the city square or Guild Centre and shout, "I'm here to spy your secrets! Welcome me like the guest I am wwwwww!"

Rather than spies, it's more accurate to say they are scouts. Official servants send out to see what's going on, without really caring about how anonymous these servants are in doing so. Remember that from the Landers point of view, their government holds the most power. They would fully expect the words of their emissaries to be respected.

[DQueenie13]

Originally Posted by LystAP

Spoiler for Side Information from Story.:

In the US, apparently it was bad enough that the adventurers in New York City blew up their cathedral during a massive riot, all because the guilds who discovered the "recipe" tried to keep it to themselves.

The part about blowing up cathedrals was a fake spoiler. Never happened anywhere.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by pyu

Just watched the episode. Surprised that Shiroe chose not to stand on the stage with the others. Doesn't he realize it is his preference to stay out of the limelight that adds to his villain reputation as well?

That's the point he can't let people think he isn't a villain.

[Sound of Azure]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

He edited his post. Originally he didn't state that.

Ah, my apologies.

[FRS]

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

That's the point he can't let people think he isn't a villain.

Eh IMO it's a political statement , the round table members are supposed to be representative of a part of the players residing in Akiba, Log Horizon is a new guild and represent 4 persons, the players are going to wonder why this guy is standing as equal of the other guild leaders.

[frodonk]

It's better to be the one who controls everything from the shadows than the popular one who everyone hates when things don't turn out the way people want them to.

for everyone else, shiroe is just an ordinary player who had a small guild of 5 people, to the veteran guild masters, he's the "villain in glasses", the one who controls the entire city through his schemes and "laws".

as for the POTL, I'm thinking of how powerful the hardware of elder tale to actually handle all those AIs, including all the adventurers logged on. sure we might not know how the apocalypse happened, but the world is still running, and without lag too