High School DxD Light Novel - Character power-ups, match-ups, and ratings

[B214]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

“Yes, he who is the Dragon that possesses infinite power. For the sake of the worldÂ’s reformation, I borrowed a little of his power. Thanks to that, I can fight against you. ThereÂ’s even a chance that I can beat Sirzechs and Michael. TheyÂ’re such foolish Governors, and so are you.”

So catleya, after she absorbed the snake that allowed her to reach the maou-class affirm she can fight now Azazel thank to that and has a possibility to beat even Michael.

“Such power! Even though you can say the Fallen Angel Governor AzazelÂ’s power is the first or second most powerful of those here today! And then”

During the conference between the three factions

Azazel is stated to be equal to Barakiel and Serafall considers Gabriel as her rival for a reason.

Ise considers Saji one of his rivals, should we assume Saji is Super Devil candidate then? Tannin who is supposedly Maou-class in power teamed up with his dragons to corner one Bandersnatch while Serafall took on one herself. Even outside of his true form, Ddraig feels that Sirzechs is stronger the original Lucifer.
At the end, we never had any confirmation if Serafall or Falbium is stronger or weaker than the original Leviathan or Asmodeus so we just assume they're equal in strength. But if the 2nd generation maou are all stronger than the original, wouldn't it mean that the power scaling left behind by the original maou-class is outdated then?

[Xuanwu]

Originally Posted by B214

Even outside of his true form, Ddraig feels that Sirzechs is stronger the original Lucifer.
At the end, we never had any confirmation if Serafall or Falbium is stronger or weaker than the original Leviathan or Asmodeus so we just assume they're equal in strength. But if the 2nd generation maou are all stronger than the original, wouldn't it mean that the power scaling left behind by the original maou-class is outdated then?

Pretty sure Zero confirms that the current Maou are stronger than the first generation.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by B214

Ise considers Saji one of his rivals, should we assume Saji is Super Devil candidate then? Tannin who is supposedly Maou-class in power teamed up with his dragons to corner one Bandersnatch while Serafall took on one herself. Even outside of his true form, Ddraig feels that Sirzechs is stronger the original Lucifer.
At the end, we never had any confirmation if Serafall or Falbium is stronger or weaker than the original Leviathan or Asmodeus so we just assume they're equal in strength. But if the 2nd generation maou are all stronger than the original, wouldn't it mean that the power scaling left behind by the original maou-class is outdated then?

Ise considered Saji a rival since the beginning of the story when they were both extremely weak.
Tannin is only maou-class in power meanwhile Serafall is stronger than the original maous

All the current maous are described to be more powerful than the original maous as well Grayfia and Issei in CxC

[zarmag]

Super Devil Levels - Sirzechs, Ajuka, Rizevim, Ise, Vali, Balberith, and Verrine
Above Satan Level - Rias(Forbidden Balor Armor) and Sairaorg(Breakdown the Beast)
Satan level - Serafall, Falbium, Grafia, Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, Azazel, Baraquel, Diehauser....

[B214]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

Ise considered Saji a rival since the beginning of the story when they were both extremely weak.
Tannin is only maou-class in power meanwhile Serafall is stronger than the original maous

All the current maous are described to be more powerful than the original maous as well Grayfia and Issei in CxC

And your point is? I don't recall Ise ever said he no longer consider Saji his rival.

Originally Posted by zarmag

Super Devil Levels - Sirzechs, Ajuka, Rizevim, Ise, Vali, Balberith, and Verrine
Above Satan Level - Rias(Forbidden Balor Armor) and Sairaorg(Breakdown the Beast)
Satan level - Serafall, Falbium, Grafia, Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, Azazel, Baraquel, Diehauser....

They just mentioned per DxD Zero, the current Maou & Grayfia are stronger than the original ones. Even if Azazel is as strong as the original, i won't list him as the same level as the current Maou.

[Xuanwu]

All of these characters can be Maou-class. It's just like Mid-class and High-class have low-tier, mid-tier and high-tier. Triaina Issei was Ultimate-class and so was True Queen initially. For example, Balance Breaker Issei was stated to be in the high-tier of High-class in the mid-class promotion exams. We're also told about the devils in the exams being in the high-tier of Mid-class.

Fenrir was stated as Heavenly Dragon-class, but he's obviously somewhat weaker than Ddraig and Albion.

So, the current Maou could just be in the high-tier of Maou-class whereas the original Maou could be low-tier or mid-tier of Maou-class. Something like that.

[zarmag]

Originally Posted by Xuanwu

All of these characters can be Maou-class. It's just like Mid-class and High-class have low-tier, mid-tier and high-tier. Triaina Issei was Ultimate-class and so was True Queen initially. For example, Balance Breaker Issei was stated to be in the high-tier of High-class in the mid-class promotion exams. We're also told about the devils in the exams being in the high-tier of Mid-class.

Fenrir was stated as Heavenly Dragon-class, but he's obviously somewhat weaker than Ddraig and Albion.

So, the current Maou could just be in the high-tier of Maou-class whereas the original Maou could be low-tier or mid-tier of Maou-class. Something like that.

that depends the result of their training. In the past Devils believed demonic power and talent determines everything but all changes when they face someone stronger than them through the result of training. Sairaorg defeat his younger brother for the position of the next head then defeat several pureblood devils which cause some the defeated devils to lose their will to fight when they face a harsh reality that their demonic power is useless against him. The same goes for Riser who hit rock bottom after experiencing his first defeat at the hands of Ise. Although he bounce back reform and realize the value of training, during their rematch he manage to fight evenly against Ise in his Scale armor and manage to hold his own in his True Queen form despite being overwhelm by its power. If Ise in his DxD form, Riser get KO in an instant..

Though if we ever get to see Ise vs Ruval?

[B214]

Simply put as long as Devils train, they all have a chance to become stronger.

[zarmag]

Originally Posted by B214

Simply put as long as Devils train, they all have a chance to become stronger.

Yes.... the same goes for angels, fallen angels, and other species

[B214]

Originally Posted by zarmag

Yes.... the same goes for angels, fallen angels, and other species

Not sure about other species, Azazel & Barakiel didn't seem to get any stronger, i doubt they don't train at all especially with the Khaos Brigade around. Of course, we could say they've potentially reach the peak of their abilities already with their age & all hence why they engage into SG research. It's their hobby and at the same time, their means to get stronger i suppose.
Now that i mention this myself, i suppose technological advancement can also lead to them becoming stronger i suppose. If the myths starts to share their technology, knowledge, skills etc. They could potentially create weapons that can easily surpass ones that is made solely from their own myth. Damn i can see Azazel crying while cursing Rizevim & 666, he got locked away at the best timing when he improve his researches.

[zarmag]

We know Evie and Malbrache are the main antagonist. how about some minors.

Lord Bael - Sairaorg and Madaran's father. We know his a very jealous man and also prideful. it won't be a surprise that Nebiro's temp him to gain more power through Malbrache.

[Xuanwu]

Probably Euclid and some other pure-blood devil purists.

Now I am wondering if Malacoda will be close to the likes of Shiva or the Hindu Gods since it's said he should never be unsealed. Shouldn't be too strange with Super Devils like Balberith having Dragon God-class potential.

But man, devils get all the good abilities and power-ups. Heaven needs some love.

[Immortal Emperor]

Originally Posted by zarmag

True Rias need a power up... Her fight with Grafyia, despite wearing Gasper her opponent wasn't in right mind. If it was the normal Grafyia things will get lot harder for Rias despite wearing Gasper. Though i'm curious who will win in that rematch. They're are times that Rias doesn't need Ise's wyvern and Gasper's power, she needs to stand on her own. Her training with Runeas will be necessary for her. All she needs the right motivation like telling her 'Are you Ise's legal wife' or something along the lines that will make her feel motivated.

Rias' power will grow naturally in time. It's not like she uses Gasper all the time. She only uses it against Maou or God class beings because they are above her level. Anyone below those levels, Rias fights normally. In the rematch between Balor Rias and Grayfia, Grayfia would lose even in the right state of mind. Rias has too much of an edge because of her greater raw power and hax abilities.

[zarmag]

No in a rematch between Rias and Grafyia. Rias' balor form consumes a lot of stamina and if Grafyia is in a right state of mind then the match would be difficult for Rias. power is important that includes mental strength as well. Teamwork is important but their are times they need strength as an individual when fighting alone. Rias will not always rely on Issei's wyverns and Gasper's balor all the time when facing a stronger opponent which is why her training with Runeas will draw out her latent potential. After all Devils get stronger through training which something the old devils denied in the past.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by zarmag

No in a rematch between Rias and Grafyia. Rias' balor form consumes a lot of stamina and if Grafyia is in a right state of mind then the match would be difficult for Rias. power is important that includes mental strength as well. Teamwork is important but their are times they need strength as an individual when fighting alone. Rias will not always rely on Issei's wyverns and Gasper's balor all the time when facing a stronger opponent which is why her training with Runeas will draw out her latent potential. After all Devils get stronger through training which something the old devils denied in the past.

Demons are also powered by desire and Grayfia was essentially running on autopilot due to her grief. As such both her mental and physical strength dropped too much

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by zarmag

No in a rematch between Rias and Grafyia. Rias' balor form consumes a lot of stamina and if Grafyia is in a right state of mind then the match would be difficult for Rias. power is important that includes mental strength as well. Teamwork is important but their are times they need strength as an individual when fighting alone. Rias will not always rely on Issei's wyverns and Gasper's balor all the time when facing a stronger opponent which is why her training with Runeas will draw out her latent potential. After all Devils get stronger through training which something the old devils denied in the past.

It wouldn’t change nothing, Balor’s form is over-maou-class and she has hax skills like time stop and the possibility to move in the shadows as well her PoD can counter attacks from opponents much stronger than her.

The stamine consume is not a relevant issue, even Breakdown the Beast has a problem of stamina because uses Sairaorg’s life force, but Issei stated due to the difference in raw power he has to use P DxD against him because CxC would be useless.

[zarmag]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

It wouldn’t change nothing, Balor’s form is over-maou-class and she has hax skills like time stop and the possibility to move in the shadows as well her PoD can counter attacks from opponents much stronger than her.

The stamine consume is not a relevant issue, even Breakdown the Beast has a problem of stamina because uses Sairaorg’s life force, but Issei stated due to the difference in raw power he has to use P DxD against him because CxC would be useless.

Balor's form consumes both Rias' and Gasper's stamina. If they have a rematch Rias will have a hard time against the normal state of mind Grafyia. I didn't say she'll win just i mean having a difficult time considering Grafyia is as far more experienced than her considering Grafyia was part of the Devil Civil War. As for Sairaorg's breakdown the Beast, indeed that form he'll be above satan-class but he can use it a short-period of time using his life-force without suffering any negative effects. So he really needs alternate form considering he'll be facing Indra.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by zarmag

Balor's form consumes both Rias' and Gasper's stamina. If they have a rematch Rias will have a hard time against the normal state of mind Grafyia. I didn't say she'll win just i mean having a difficult time considering Grafyia is as far more experienced than her considering Grafyia was part of the Devil Civil War. As for Sairaorg's breakdown the Beast, indeed that form he'll be above satan-class but he can use it a short-period of time using his life-force without suffering any negative effects. So he really needs alternate form considering he'll be facing Indra.

So? Issei faced opponents with thousands of years of experience but it was never relevant in their fights, so I don’t see why Grayfia’s experience should be against Rias.

Issei was literally dying against Apophis due to DxD G and couldn’t sustain it for much time, but it didn’t allowed him to defeat Apophis.

There is not competition between over-maou class and maou-class fighters

[zarmag]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

So? Issei faced opponents with thousands of years of experience but it was never relevant in their fights, so I don’t see why Grayfia’s experience should be against Rias.

Issei was literally dying against Apophis due to DxD G and couldn’t sustain it for much time, but it didn’t allowed him to defeat Apophis.

There is not competition between over-maou class and maou-class fighters

Grafyia couldn't utilize her abilities because her head is not in the game which affect her performance against Rias. She's suffering because she misses her husband so it's natural that will affect her mentally.

[B214]

Sun Wukong is the best example that power isn't everything. Experience plays a factor. To cover for his old age, he doesn't fight with purely power like Ise or Vali, he knows his strength and weakness so he fights with that in mind. Can you say Grayfia is her mental state of grieving is capable of rational thinking? Just look back at Volume 12, Rias and her friends were so distraught over Ise's "death" to the point they couldn't perform against Siegfried at all despite outnumbering him. They couldn't even perform at half of their abilities just because of how badly they're grieving at that time.

This is part of the reason why i partly felt the past few volume's fight writing was quite poor. Before Ishibumi would think about how people like Cao Cao would fight, instead of matching at his opponent's strength. Cao Cao used to fight using his own strength or advantage that's why he was able to beat Gremory + Vali team in V11 but somehow during his fight with Sairaorg he suddenly switch to fighting like Sairaorg.