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wuhugm · 2020-06-21, 03:42

Still puzzled why many stories revolved around Maou and Yuusha

Some even has MC as either of those or on the same level

Potential development is so little making the stories boring as hell

Avrorrange · 2020-06-21, 04:22

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Originally Posted by wuhugm

Still puzzled why many stories revolved around Maou and Yuusha

Some even has MC as either of those or on the same level

Potential development is so little making the stories boring as hell

Yeah, I dislike that too. Way too cliched.

Tenzen12 · 2020-06-21, 04:32

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Originally Posted by wuhugm

Still puzzled why many stories revolved around Maou and Yuusha

Some even has MC as either of those or on the same level

Potential development is so little making the stories boring as hell

Because Dragon Quest and then MaouYuu. That said as far as potential for development there is plenty room to wiggle. It's not settling fault, Narou "writers" are not good at writing.

Diluc · 2020-06-21, 04:35

I am curious if this isekai theme existed
Superhero x Isekai
You know someone like Superman or All Might get isekaied and beat down puny Demon King and puny Yuusha.

Ruki0089 · 2020-06-21, 04:39

So we never seen DC world like level on Narou.

Diluc · 2020-06-21, 04:48

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Originally Posted by Ruki0089

So we never seen DC world like level on Narou.

Maybe someone should give the idea to those writers in Narou the theme or else we might have to wait for 30 year after them grew bored with maou, tensei and slowlife

Avrorrange · 2020-06-21, 04:58

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Originally Posted by Oberstein

I am curious if this isekai theme existed
Superhero x Isekai
You know someone like Superman or All Might get isekaied and beat down puny Demon King and puny Yuusha.

Only if you go to spacebattles.com, fanfiction.com or alternatehistory.com.They have plenty of stories like that.

wuhugm · 2020-06-21, 07:45

^^^
^^
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MCs with non-magic superpowers are very common tho
There's that guy like Saitama whose physical power > God

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Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Because Dragon Quest and then MaouYuu. That said as far as potential for development there is plenty room to wiggle. It's not settling fault, Narou "writers" are not good at writing.

But if you include Maou/Yuusha, then the story must go the [Fate of The World] route

Can't we not have stake as high as that?

dragon1412 · 2020-06-21, 08:31

^Fate of the world route is practically implied, but the author in Narou just generally don't have the skill to depict it as the stake is too high. For example, You have to depicts deteriorating conditions, such as demons frequent attacks actually destroy the economy, or like Maoyuu, where economy actually became dependent on another countries support because the border country cannot survive without fighting demon as the cause the get support.

You also have to write the sheer lethality of demon attack, as it actually affect populations instead of one off that happen only 1 time for the hero to show off. Making the attack actually damaging enough to present the options of " what if the demon won ?" as actually bad end. Narou writer which use Isekai as a way to easy world building generally doesn't have the skill to depict this.

Tenzen12 · 2020-06-21, 09:26

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Originally Posted by wuhugm

But if you include Maou/Yuusha, then the story must go the [Fate of The World] route

Can't we not have stake as high as that?

Of course we can, I think I could recall at least five WN with former hero/member of party live slow life. There is also such premise as hero rising baby Demon lord. Princess directly terrorizing Demon Lord and indirectly hero. Demon Lord getting hyper competent secretary to deal with heroes. Demon general dating Priestess after Maou get killed. Maou and Hero being pets that always get into fights when owners happen to meet at park, ect...

Just pick whatever amount of stakes fly your boat.

wuhugm · 2020-06-21, 10:31

^That's so gimmicky

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Originally Posted by dragon1412

^Fate of the world route is practically implied, but the author in Narou just generally don't have the skill to depict it as the stake is too high. For example, You have to depicts deteriorating conditions, such as demons frequent attacks actually destroy the economy, or like Maoyuu, where economy actually became dependent on another countries support because the border country cannot survive without fighting demon as the cause the get support.

You also have to write the sheer lethality of demon attack, as it actually affect populations instead of one off that happen only 1 time for the hero to show off. Making the attack actually damaging enough to present the options of " what if the demon won ?" as actually bad end. Narou writer which use Isekai as a way to easy world building generally doesn't have the skill to depict this.

lol so deep

Most of the worldbuildings don't portray anything like that

People just live normally until attacked

Only 1 Yuusha party being worked to death

Tenzen12 · 2020-06-21, 11:19

That's sort of point...

wuhugm · 2020-06-21, 12:52

^In gimmick series, the Maou and Yuusha are just name only so they don't count

Like many MC Maou, they never kill or rape any human at all
Like wtf mate

Tenzen12 · 2020-06-21, 14:06

You hate your own interpretation of demon lords, because there is too much stakes. But then when someone make alternative take on it, you still hate it because you are not willing humor writers that do something else then what you hate about it.

Anyway of course gimmicky Maous and heroes count. "Maou" is literaly ruler of race or races that are called or considered demons. In other hand "Yuusha" literally means "brave" (in battle) which is different from "Eiyuu" which encompases good and moral character. In this settings Yuusha is used term not Eyuu. Both have plenty of room to play with sterotypes.

Garn · 2020-06-21, 20:55

I just want a global problem where it is truly "global" and a problem that affects many instead of just a few
Not about 3 or 4 countries (sometimes less or just 0.5) in a world that is the size of the moon (or less)
And above all, being this similar to the previous, that the important places are not on the periphery
"If you want to destroy the ring, go to the other side of the world, not to the nearby town"

Amelgar · 2020-06-21, 21:16

^ Indeed. Another variation is where the situation is named as the end of the world, but it's actually just the extinction of mankind. The actual planet wouldn't be affected...

wuhugm · 2020-06-23, 02:37

If someone is cancelling their reincarnation, would the baby stop being born, or it becomes a different person?

Ruki0089 · 2020-06-23, 03:14

Probably they never born or dies due miscarriage.

Tenzen12 · 2020-06-23, 03:31

They probably depends when is reincarnation "canceled". If it's during process, baby would be probably stillborn. If it's simply refusing to get reincarnated in first place then, some other soul would house it.

Edit: As for former, reincarnator soul would get shifted elsewhere. Possess random nearby person, item or move into wrong baby,

wuhugm · 2020-06-23, 13:18

^^
^
I don't get it

Do babies need external soul?

Past life is a hoax, right?

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Ruki0089 Yandere Otoko Ruki-tan Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Earth 616	So we never seen DC world like level on Narou. __________________

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Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	That's sort of point... __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

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wuhugm Confused Shark Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Atlantis	^In gimmick series, the Maou and Yuusha are just name only so they don't count Like many MC Maou, they never kill or rape any human at all Like wtf mate __________________ ------------------------------------------ [SPOILER] Manga, Anime, & LN Where The Girl MC Ended Up With Is Not The Main Heroine All My Threads

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Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	You hate your own interpretation of demon lords, because there is too much stakes. But then when someone make alternative take on it, you still hate it because you are not willing humor writers that do something else then what you hate about it. Anyway of course gimmicky Maous and heroes count. "Maou" is literaly ruler of race or races that are called or considered demons. In other hand "Yuusha" literally means "brave" (in battle) which is different from "Eiyuu" which encompases good and moral character. In this settings Yuusha is used term not Eyuu. Both have plenty of room to play with sterotypes. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

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Diluc Darkhero of Monstadt Join Date: May 2015 Location: rich mansion with maids	I am curious if this isekai theme existed Superhero x Isekai You know someone like Superman or All Might get isekaied and beat down puny Demon King and puny Yuusha.

2020-06-21, 08:31	Link #10049
dragon1412 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: somewhere in Asia	^Fate of the world route is practically implied, but the author in Narou just generally don't have the skill to depict it as the stake is too high. For example, You have to depicts deteriorating conditions, such as demons frequent attacks actually destroy the economy, or like Maoyuu, where economy actually became dependent on another countries support because the border country cannot survive without fighting demon as the cause the get support. You also have to write the sheer lethality of demon attack, as it actually affect populations instead of one off that happen only 1 time for the hero to show off. Making the attack actually damaging enough to present the options of " what if the demon won ?" as actually bad end. Narou writer which use Isekai as a way to easy world building generally doesn't have the skill to depict this.

2020-06-21, 20:55	Link #10055
Garn Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2016	I just want a global problem where it is truly "global" and a problem that affects many instead of just a few Not about 3 or 4 countries (sometimes less or just 0.5) in a world that is the size of the moon (or less) And above all, being this similar to the previous, that the important places are not on the periphery "If you want to destroy the ring, go to the other side of the world, not to the nearby town"

2020-06-21, 21:16	Link #10056
Amelgar Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2016	^ Indeed. Another variation is where the situation is named as the end of the world, but it's actually just the extinction of mankind. The actual planet wouldn't be affected...

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wuhugm Confused Shark Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Atlantis	If someone is cancelling their reincarnation, would the baby stop being born, or it becomes a different person? __________________ ------------------------------------------ [SPOILER] Manga, Anime, & LN Where The Girl MC Ended Up With Is Not The Main Heroine All My Threads

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Ruki0089 Yandere Otoko Ruki-tan Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Earth 616	Probably they never born or dies due miscarriage. __________________

2020-06-23, 03:31	Link #10059
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	They probably depends when is reincarnation "canceled". If it's during process, baby would be probably stillborn. If it's simply refusing to get reincarnated in first place then, some other soul would house it. Edit: As for former, reincarnator soul would get shifted elsewhere. Possess random nearby person, item or move into wrong baby, __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll) Last edited by Tenzen12; 2020-06-23 at 03:56.

2020-06-23, 13:18	Link #10060
wuhugm Confused Shark Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Atlantis	^^ ^ I don't get it Do babies need external soul? Past life is a hoax, right? __________________ ------------------------------------------ [SPOILER] Manga, Anime, & LN Where The Girl MC Ended Up With Is Not The Main Heroine All My Threads