High School DxD Light Novel - Character power-ups, match-ups, and ratings

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

How did the rules give Sona's peerage an unfair advantage? Even with the rules, Rias peerage was still heavily favored to win. Even Azazel stated that Rias peerage had a 80% chance of winning the game so what "unfair advantage" did Sona have? Fact of the matter is Sona saw through all of Rias tactics which is how she outsmarted her. Just because those rules didn't appear again Doesn't mean anything. We never got another ball game or a dice game either.

Battles like that needs a lesson. It's about controlling his power. Also how was Issei's nerfed? Because he couldn't use dragon shots? His armor already gives him an hard defense and no one on Sona peerage could survive his punches. Only reason Saji lasted that long was because of his tenacity and refusing to give up. Also the only person Sona sacrificed was Saji because she knew he couldn't beat Issei but I would say taking out Rias strongest player at the cost of her pawn is worth it. Also why degrade of Sona took out 2 noncombatant? So you're saying taking out Asia (the life line of Rias peerage) was a stupid idea? Gasper being taken out early was also smart due to his surveillance.

I doubt his dragon shots could overcome Rias POD. Recall how Rias defeated Sona.

because that rule was the only thing stopping sona team of being soloed by issei? sona team wasn't limited in the slightest in comparison to rias team, had the rule not been there issei would've nuked sona whole team but whit that rule in place they had to fight on sona level and not use their greatest advantage.

but rias strongest player in that occasion was kiba? in normal circumstances issei is the most dangerous but in that battle he was effectively crippled, kiba on the other hand wasn't nearly as limited as issei and took out great deal of sona fighting force. yes defeating a healer that had little to no offensive power and a kid who had his biggest power sealed is not a real achievement. face it, sona lost her whole team to take out 4 of rias pieces while rias team got taken their best way to win and she still lost. she took out issei and xenovia, now what? kiba was still there, akeno was still there and koneko was still there and rias was there too. what then? expect them to renounce or stab themselves?

sona was a glasscanon, anyone mildly powerful can take her out in one shot

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

because that rule was the only thing stopping sona team of being soloed by issei? sona team wasn't limited in the slightest in comparison to rias team, had the rule not been there issei would've nuked sona whole team but whit that rule in place they had to fight on sona level and not use their greatest advantage.

but rias strongest player in that occasion was kiba? in normal circumstances issei is the most dangerous but in that battle he was effectively crippled, kiba on the other hand wasn't nearly as limited as issei and took out great deal of sona fighting force. yes defeating a healer that had little to no offensive power and a kid who had his biggest power sealed is not a real achievement. face it, sona lost her whole team to take out 4 of rias pieces while rias team got taken their best way to win and she still lost. she took out issei and xenovia, now what? kiba was still there, akeno was still there and koneko was still there and rias was there too. what then? expect them to renounce or stab themselves?

sona was a glasscanon, anyone mildly powerful can take her out in one shot

You said those rules gave Sona's peerage an "advantage". What advantage? Those rules didn't change the fact that Rias peerage was still way stronger than Sona's peerage so you're just grasping at straws. If anything this proves that Rias peerage needed to learn how to fight in all environments.

No, Kiba was an ace but he wasn't the strongest. Issei has more raw power and better defense than Kiba. As you said Issei could basically solo Sona's peerage so naturally Issei would be the biggest threat. Kiba needed Xenovia's help to take out Sona's knights and Rook plus needed her Durandal to beat Tsubaki. Also you're not making sense. Taking out the healer is an accomplishment. A healer is not expected to have offensive power which is why you never see a healer on the frontline. Job of the healer to heals injuries of teammates which can pose a problem. Gasper isn't meant to be a fighter but his surveillance ability could expose the whereabouts of Sona peerage members which is why it as smart to take him out early.

Sona used her bishops to hide herself. Sona's plan was likely to take Rias out with a surprise attack while she was hidden. Kiba, Akeno and Koneko being there is irrelevant because once Rias is taken out then the game is over.

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

You said those rules gave Sona's peerage an "advantage". What advantage? Those rules didn't change the fact that Rias peerage was still way stronger than Sona's peerage so you're just grasping at straws. If anything this proves that Rias peerage needed to learn how to fight in all environments.

No, Kiba was an ace but he wasn't the strongest. Issei has more raw power and better defense than Kiba. As you said Issei could basically solo Sona's peerage so naturally Issei would be the biggest threat. Kiba needed Xenovia's help to take out Sona's knights and Rook plus needed her Durandal to beat Tsubaki. Also you're not making sense. Taking out the healer is an accomplishment. A healer is not expected to have offensive power which is why you never see a healer on the frontline. Job of the healer to heals injuries of teammates which can pose a problem. Gasper isn't meant to be a fighter but his surveillance ability could expose the whereabouts of Sona peerage members which is why it as smart to take him out early.

Sona used her bishops to hide herself. Sona's plan was likely to take Rias out with a surprise attack while she was hidden. Kiba, Akeno and Koneko being there is irrelevant because once Rias is taken out then the game is over.

are you going to still ignore how many times i point out said advantage while saying im the one grasping straws? rias team was full of power types so that rule was nothing but limiting rias team and only her team. had said rule not been there then the match would be over in the first minute by issei nuking the whole place, instead he was limited only to physical combat and xenovia couldn't use durandal. meanwhile this didnt affect sona team in the slightest, the whole rule was put there so rias team had to limit themselves to sona level. also in what "environment" would they ever be killed/taken out of battle by causing collateral damage? if anything sona team was the one whit a problem since whenever someone whit bigger strength appears they are pretty much done for as shown on the azazel cup

yes he was the strongest in that context, issei has more raw power which he couldn't use in that match and his superior defense is only temporary before he is left literally useless, meanwhile kiba in that battle could zip around whit his speed unimpeded and take out most whit his holy demonic sword.

kiba could've filled the whole place whit swords anytime though? and durandal wasn't even really necessary to defeat tsubaki, a holy demonic sword would do just fine.

how is them being there irrelevant? koneko could literally see sona coming whit senjutsu, kiba has better reaction than anybody there. what would that "surprise" attack be to even work? sona would literally need to somehow go unnoticed by koneko and act before kiba can react, what was she going to do according to you? defeating the king wins the game but by that point sona had no way to take out the king when she is surrounded by her pieces. hell even the battle at the end was nothing but a courtesy of rias and kiba even made it clear that the moment things looked bad he would intervene

accept it, sona couldn't even win against a limited rias team who was taken out their comfort zone, if that rule wasn't in place she would've lost even worse and much faster

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

are you going to still ignore how many times i point out said advantage while saying im the one grasping straws? rias team was full of power types so that rule was nothing but limiting rias team and only her team. had said rule not been there then the match would be over in the first minute by issei nuking the whole place, instead he was limited only to physical combat and xenovia couldn't use durandal. meanwhile this didnt affect sona team in the slightest, the whole rule was put there so rias team had to limit themselves to sona level. also in what "environment" would they ever be killed/taken out of battle by causing collateral damage? if anything sona team was the one whit a problem since whenever someone whit bigger strength appears they are pretty much done for as shown on the azazel cup

yes he was the strongest in that context, issei has more raw power which he couldn't use in that match and his superior defense is only temporary before he is left literally useless, meanwhile kiba in that battle could zip around whit his speed unimpeded and take out most whit his holy demonic sword.

kiba could've filled the whole place whit swords anytime though? and durandal wasn't even really necessary to defeat tsubaki, a holy demonic sword would do just fine.

how is them being there irrelevant? koneko could literally see sona coming whit senjutsu, kiba has better reaction than anybody there. what would that "surprise" attack be to even work? sona would literally need to somehow go unnoticed by koneko and act before kiba can react, what was she going to do according to you? defeating the king wins the game but by that point sona had no way to take out the king when she is surrounded by her pieces. hell even the battle at the end was nothing but a courtesy of rias and kiba even made it clear that the moment things looked bad he would intervene

accept it, sona couldn't even win against a limited rias team who was taken out their comfort zone, if that rule wasn't in place she would've lost even worse and much faster

How did it limit Rias entire team? Only Issei and Xenovia were the power types that did huge destruction damage. Even then it didn't hinder the overwhelming advantage that Rias team had so yes, you are grasping at straws. Issei punches alone can take out anyone on Sona's team and no one on Sona's team can destroy his armor. Issei was still the biggest threat. You say Issei was limited to physical combat but that's Issei's forte to begin with. You talk as if he's a wizard type. You say the rules limited Rias team to fight at Sona's level but that's ludicrous because if that was the case then why was Rias team heavily favored to win. Again, Azazel even stated Rias team had an 80% chance of winning.

Kiba needed the boost from Xenovia to cover the entire area to take out Sona's knights. Without Durandal, he wouldn't have had the raw power to break Tsubaki's weapon. As for Xenovia, even without Durandal, she used the aura from Durandal to strengthen Ascalon so she wasn't really hindered. You forget that she didn't master Durandal at that point yet.

Koneko couldn't even detect Sona's location until Issei revealed it. She was well hidden and Sona's aim was Rias. Use her bishops as a distraction while she go for Rias in a surprise attack.

[Giuseppe1234]

uchou narrowed her eyes and seemed to be thinking about this rule.
“…I see, so to me, the fukubuchou[1], and Ise, this is a disadvantageous battlefield. We can’t do attacks that affect a wide area.”
It was just as Xenovia said. By saying that it was an interior battle and furthermore that the building itself couldn’t be destroyed, I couldn’t use my Boosted Gear-raised Dragon Shot! The great fire attack that used doubled fire magic, which I obtained at great pains in the training with Tannin-ossan, was also impossible here! It would turn into a conflagration! Akeno-san also couldn’t use her extra-large lightning attack by creating thunder clouds unless she was on the rooftop, right? It seemed that, if she didn’t suppress her power, she could deal damage to the building as well!
Xenovia also wouldn’t be able to unleash her holy slashing wave with Durandal either. Even at the best of times, it was a sword that gushed out a holy aura even in its drawn state, so it couldn’t be recklessly swung in order to not break the rule.
“That really is troublesome. A battle of large mass attacks has been mostly sealed.”
Damn. I believed that we were strong, but everything has completely changed just because of this rule!

The same characters say how they are limited with this “SPECIAL RULES”, read even this: if that were the case, we wouldn’t be able to completely display our power like today. If this is not the plot. They had the possibility to win of 80% in normal conditions.

Even Gasper was useless without the Sacred Gear because the limitation received only one time. Very strange when Sairaorg allowed the use of it during the most important rating game, with vips of every mythology, with the risk of destroy the event. But for one a lot of less important no. Considering that in 4 volumes nothing was changed.

We have seen what would be happen without the special rules in Dx with Issei vs Sona, but in vol5 would have been even worse not having Bennia, Loup, Artificial SG and Saji with Vritra.

I have to refresh the memory, issei is a fighter hand to hand, his punches only trough the shockwaves are able to destroy the buildings, but casually during the fight with Saji, they are not even mentioned.

As for the fact that Saji could resist to that punches only for the plot, when issei with the armour, during the first “fight” with Sairaorg, received a considerevoly injure to the arms, losing sensibility with an armour, even if his punches are equal to that of Sairaorg.
When only a punch is enough to defeat a normal devil, thing that saji was in that moment.

You act like Tsubaki’s weapon was considerevoly strong, when it is a normal weapon. A holy demoniac sword of Kiba was enough to destroy 4/7 of Excalibur, why should not be able to destroy it?

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

How did it limit Rias entire team? Only Issei and Xenovia were the power types that did huge destruction damage. Even then it didn't hinder the overwhelming advantage that Rias team had so yes, you are grasping at straws. Issei punches alone can take out anyone on Sona's team and no one on Sona's team can destroy his armor. Issei was still the biggest threat. You say Issei was limited to physical combat but that's Issei's forte to begin with. You talk as if he's a wizard type. You say the rules limited Rias team to fight at Sona's level but that's ludicrous because if that was the case then why was Rias team heavily favored to win. Again, Azazel even stated Rias team had an 80% chance of winning.

Kiba needed the boost from Xenovia to cover the entire area to take out Sona's knights. Without Durandal, he wouldn't have had the raw power to break Tsubaki's weapon. As for Xenovia, even without Durandal, she used the aura from Durandal to strengthen Ascalon so she wasn't really hindered. You forget that she didn't master Durandal at that point yet.

Koneko couldn't even detect Sona's location until Issei revealed it. She was well hidden and Sona's aim was Rias. Use her bishops as a distraction while she go for Rias in a surprise attack.

issei punches clearly cant take out everyone in one hit as saji was still standing and back then he wasnt even commented to be the most resilient of the group, issei armor is easily circumvented by simply avoiding him since he was on a time limit unlike kiba. rias was heavily favored to win and azazel gave them a 80% chance before they announced that rule.

except its never mentioned kiba needed a boost to do that, only that durandal aura was added to the already existing swords and increase their damage. neither did he use durandal to break tsubak naginata, he used holy demonic swords.

since when is sona some master of stealth? what distraction would their bishops be? they literally trapped themselves in a barrier, rias team would only have to stay there and wait for them to get tired from maintaining the barrier to take them out. how would sona even get anywhere close to rias for a sneak attack? again there is koneko there whit her senjutsu and kiba had reaction speed leagues above sona. you are making it seem as if sona could walk to rias and blast her on the back before anyone notices which is not the case as sona has no distractions since the bishops would be taken out the instant the barrier is down and sona herself has no known skills in sneaking. so i ask again, how is sona going to sneak to rias and take her out when she has no feasible method to do so

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

The same characters say how they are limited with this “SPECIAL RULES”, read even this: if that were the case, we wouldn’t be able to completely display our power like today. If this is not the plot. They had the possibility to win of 80% in normal conditions.

Even Gasper was useless without the Sacred Gear because the limitation received only one time. Very strange when Sairaorg allowed the use of it during the most important rating game, with vips of every mythology, with the risk of destroy the event. But for one a lot of less important no. Considering that in 4 volumes nothing was changed.

We have seen what would be happen without the special rules in Dx with Issei vs Sona, but in vol5 would have been even worse not having Bennia, Loup, Artificial SG and Saji with Vritra.

I have to refresh the memory, issei is a fighter hand to hand, his punches only trough the shockwaves are able to destroy the buildings, but casually during the fight with Saji, they are not even mentioned.

As for the fact that Saji could resist to that punches only for the plot, when issei with the armour, during the first “fight” with Sairaorg, received a considerevoly injure to the arms, losing sensibility with an armour, even if his punches are equal to that of Sairaorg.
When only a punch is enough to defeat a normal devil, thing that saji was in that moment.

You act like Tsubaki’s weapon was considerevoly strong, when it is a normal weapon. A holy demoniac sword of Kiba was enough to destroy 4/7 of Excalibur, why should not be able to destroy it?

Actually Xenovia destroyed pseudo-Excalibur with her Durandal IIRC.

[Itsmepatrick]

Issei's Cardinal Crimson Promotion is enough to fight against all of Sona's peerage.
Sona's peerage already got left behind by Rias group by a large margin the only ones who are able to keep up with their progress are Saji, Sona, Nimura,Loup and Bennia but the rest are still strong nonetheless.

[B214]

I think Tsubaki can keep up as well but who cares.

[Itsmepatrick]

If most of the Sona peerage will be sidelined,Sairaorg should invite Saji for his upcoming match against Indra even though he will contribute a little against god class beings, he is still Dragon King level and stronger than most of Sairaorg's members and his techniques will be helpful to his teammates.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Itsmepatrick

If most of the Sona peerage will be sidelined,Sairaorg should invite Saji for his upcoming match against Indra even though he will contribute a little against god class beings, he is still Dragon King level and stronger than most of Sairaorg's members and his techniques will be helpful to his teammates.

Sona and her peerage were never prominent characters anyways to say they have been sidelined.

[bashkim1234]

Why did Ise stopped using Triania or Flame Blaze ? I mean Ise has to master his Triania to complete his CxC. Well I guess the author decided , that Ise base form will get stronger through his power-up which is great, but his forms are still not mastered.
Flame Blaze is wild range attack which should be far stronger now, that Ise has DXD mode and CXC got stronger.

[Itsmepatrick]

Yeah his Illegal Move Triana (3 of his Pawn Pieces got mutated after the unleashing of this power)
got forgotten because of too many powerups which is a pity after all this form equates for 3 mutated pawn pieces.

[bashkim1234]

Originally Posted by Itsmepatrick

Yeah his Illegal Move Triana (3 of his Pawn Pieces got mutated after the unleashing of this power)
got forgotten because of too many powerups which is a pity after all this form equates for 3 mutated pawn pieces.

Yes, but it was his first upgrade after his BXB was complete. After the JG Ajuka remodelled Ise Evil pieces, so that he could adapt the power of Ddragi . This form is complete CxC , DXD AxA are incomplete ExE wll be also incomplete .

[saucerKing]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Why did Ise stopped using Triania or Flame Blaze ? I mean Ise has to master his Triania to complete his CxC. Well I guess the author decided , that Ise base form will get stronger through his power-up which is great, but his forms are still not mastered.
Flame Blaze is wild range attack which should be far stronger now, that Ise has DXD mode and CXC got stronger.

traina is because frankly its useless, CxC is commented to be nearly useless against god class beings and that is what they have been fighting lately so triaina would be even more useless

flame blaze... i dunno, frankly that attack + penetrate would've saved issei arse many times like against kiba or thanatos but i guess issei is too much of a gundam now to breath fire

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

traina is because frankly its useless, CxC is commented to be nearly useless against god class beings and that is what they have been fighting lately so triaina would be even more useless

flame blaze... i dunno, frankly that attack + penetrate would've saved issei arse many times like against kiba or thanatos but i guess issei is too much of a gundam now to breath fire

He used without problems for the first time the mortal flame of Ddraig, covering istanteanly an island to say. I would say for the plot.

[bashkim1234]

Originally Posted by saucerKing

traina is because frankly its useless, CxC is commented to be nearly useless against god class beings and that is what they have been fighting lately so triaina would be even more useless

flame blaze... i dunno, frankly that attack + penetrate would've saved issei arse many times like against kiba or thanatos but i guess issei is too much of a gundam now to breath fire

Flame Blaze is lost technique which would have been great if Ise would use it more. but since his fight with Caco it was never used or mentioned again.
I guess, if Ise base would reached satan level his CXC will bring more than Ddragi´s full power. This is the way I see it. The question is for me : Did AxA increase Ise base form ? The power of GR what he awakened will increase his base. I hope it would be just satan class and the topic of mastering CXC will end, because it is like you guys said CXC Triania are pointless and useless for now.

[Giuseppe1234]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Flame Blaze is lost technique which would have been great if Ise would use it more. but since his fight with Caco it was never used or mentioned again.
I guess, if Ise base would reached satan level his CXC will bring more than Ddragi´s full power. This is the way I see it. The question is for me : Did AxA increase Ise bade form ? The power of GR what he awakened will increase his base. I hope it would be just satan class and the topic of mastering CXC will end, because it is like you guys said CXC Triania are pointless and useless for now.

AxA is not relevant with issei’s base. It is only Ryuutemairu that has absorbed momentarily GR power inside issei body because he can not use it, without have effect on Issei’s body, except the consume. Rather T DxD because issei has awakened GR power inside his body would be a possibility to increase his base

[bashkim1234]

Originally Posted by Giuseppe1234

AxA is not relevant with issei’s base. It is only Ryuutemairu that has absorbed momentarily GR power inside issei body because he can not use it, without have effect on Issei’s body, except the consume. Rather T DxD because issei has awakened GR power inside his body would be a possibility to increase his base

Well I hope he achieved satan level and the discussion of his CXC should be terminated. Or when Ise is going to gain ExE power.

[Itsmepatrick]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Well I hope he achieved satan level and the discussion of his CXC should be terminated. Or when Ise is going to gain ExE power.

It's just recently since Isse acquired 2 consecutive powerups so no need to get powerup for the time being(Shin Volumes 3 & 4) . What he needs to do right now is train his base and gain mastery of his forms. The girls are the one who needs to powerup at the moment not Issei.