Shin High School DxD Volume 3 Discussion

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

I know what a god is worth and Issei could've made some changes in volume 22. Put Bova as his Rook which leaves his 8 pawn pieces open for a god fighter to take the slot.

Issei has made connections to people he didn't know of. For example, he had no connection to Roygun but she still offered to join his team. He had no connection to Tiamat or Nakiri but Nakiri was given to him by Tiamat. We've already seen multiple gods like Shiva, Indra and Mahabali take an interest in him.

Yet Vali has a top 10 monster like Fenrir on his team. Was Vali overshadowed by the legendary wolf that's feared by gods?

Most gods are not on the tournament solely to fight Issei. Heck, most gods dropped out of the torunament the moment Indra participated in it.

Roygun joined his team so she could hopefully redeem herself and participate in Rating Games again.

Ouryuu sees Issei as a role model. And Tiamat is a Dragon King with a connection to Ddraig.

Taking an interest in him doesn't mean they would want to join his team.

Vali is not the MC though. Again Issei having a god on his team would just take the spotlight away from him and his team members. You really can't put someone as powerful as a god on Issei's team as the god would just steal the spotlight like every volume. And having someone besidds Issei that can dish out god-class power on his team would have been counterproductive.

The way Ishibumi has set up gods in this series, it wouldn't make sense for one to join Issei's team. A Maou-class being like Grayfia is fine. But a god really wouldn't belong on Issei's team and Ishibumi would likely have to change the conditions of his matches if he added a god to Issei's team in Volume 22.

And Issei then could only maintain Pseudo DxD for 10 seconds before Volume 25 means that Issei would have a god on his team who would be significantly stronger than him at the beginning.

Well Issei has Ddraig and the mighty Ryuuteimaru he can summon. There are your gods right there.

[vietthai96]

Fenrir in Vali team but being downgraded, even when participate in Azazel Cup he only get to 80% of his full power, not 100%, and he not a god, just a monster with god-class power. Same with Ddraig and Ryuuteimaru, they are not actual god.
Problem is, why the hell a God need to join Issei team, Shiva interest in him but he won't participate, if he participate no other team have any chance, Indra already have a team and he is interest in fighting Issei not join him, Mahabali also similar. Aside from those god, the other god know Issei is Odin but he is already in Isolated Bounded Field fighting 666. Another is Hades but he is antagonist. Aside from that, Issei don't have any interaction with the other god before Shin, and even in Shin, his interaction with gods mostly is fighting them.
Gods that are not combat-oriented dropped out of the tornament, how the hell they join Issei just to fight again, they already don't want to fight anymore

The only God that is possible to join Issei team is Mahabali, but it is in case Issei get himself and his team to face Indra team, but it is story for a far future, i don't think he will fight Indra anytime soon

[TheWu8128]

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

The guy has influence angels, devils, yokai, humans, dragons, even Ophis and Great Red and considering monsters like Shiva and Indra has taken an interest in him then it wouldn't be farfetched if a god were to be influenced by him as well.

Yes it is far-fetched because they are gods, not angels, devil's, yokai, humans, or dragons who he actually had relationships with. So again he just started having relationships with gods how would he influence them. Also someone having a interest in you doesn't mean you influence them.

After finding out about Ryuuteimaru and how powerful he is, to be crying about having a god on Issei's team is pointless to me. Issei who is stomping gods left and right, Ddraig as well, and Ryuuteimaru can destory the planet what else do you want?

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by TheWu8128

Yes it is far-fetched because they are gods, not angels, devil's, yokai, humans, or dragons who he actually had relationships with. So again he just started having relationships with gods how would he influence them. Also someone having a interest in you doesn't mean you influence them.

After finding out about Ryuuteimaru and how powerful he is, to be crying about having a god on Issei's team is pointless to me. Issei who is stomping gods left and right, Ddraig as well, and Ryuuteimaru can destory the planet what else do you want?

Regalzerva to join Issei's team. That is what @Emperor wants.

[Hakai]

King: Ryuuteimaru-sama
Pawn: Issei
Queen: Bal


No one else is needed. This team would slaughter everyone with zero difficulty.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Dragon Sin

King: Ryuuteimaru-sama
Pawn: Issei
Queen: Bal


No one else is needed. This team would slaughter everyone with zero difficulty.

King: Issei

Queen: Balberith

Rook(x2): Regalzerva

Bishop(x2): Shiva

Knight(x2): Verrine

Pawn(x8): Crom Cruach

There's a dream team right there.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

King: Issei

Queen: Balberith

Rook(x2): Regalzerva

Bishop(x2): Shiva

Knight(x2): Verrine

Pawn(x8): Crom Cruach

There's a dream team right there.

More like nightmare team

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by Dragon Sin

More like nightmare team

And then he can summon Ddraig and Ryuuteimaru.

But does anyone else find it weird that Cao Cao kind of had a major role to play in this volume but they didn't show his match against Surtr considering it's the next match coming up? Like at the end of the volume they could have just been watching the match and Ishibumi gives us a quick rundown of the match.

Maybe he intends to do it later of didn't write it in due to his health issues.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

And then he can summon Ddraig and Ryuuteimaru.

But does anyone else find it weird that Cao Cao kind of had a major role to play in this volume but they didn't show his match against Surtr considering it's the next match coming up? Like at the end of the volume they could have just been watching the match and Ishibumi gives us a quick rundown of the match.

Maybe he intends to do it later of didn't write it in due to his health issues.

He might put it in a DX volume like his fight with Sairong.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by XFire

He might put it in a DX volume like his fight with Sairong.

We only recently got a DX volume so I'm guessing it'll be a while before he writes another one. By that time I think he'll have wrote the match in the main story by then.

But you never know. Ishibumi seems to like Cao Cao a lot. So writing a detailed match against Surtr's team doesn't seem to be out of the question.

[K.O.]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

But does anyone else find it weird that Cao Cao kind of had a major role to play in this volume but they didn't show his match against Surtr considering it's the next match coming up? Like at the end of the volume they could have just been watching the match and Ishibumi gives us a quick rundown of the match.

I believe he said that he’d skim over any match that doesn’t involve Issei or Vali.

[godz]

"Xenovia’s wondering how oppai created something that can destroy the planet, while Rossweisse is wondering how to can limit its power. Issei is unclear on how it became like this, but knows that since it can destroy the planet, he shouldn’t be used so easily. Ophis says that Ryuuteimaru is evolving in anticipation for future threats. Irina wonders what is it preparing for the future, as she doubts it’s the Alliance of Hell, to which Xenovia thinks it maybe Indra and Shiva."

why do you think xenovia suspects shiva? unlike indra or hades has not shown bad intentions.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by godz

"Xenovia’s wondering how oppai created something that can destroy the planet, while Rossweisse is wondering how to can limit its power. Issei is unclear on how it became like this, but knows that since it can destroy the planet, he shouldn’t be used so easily. Ophis says that Ryuuteimaru is evolving in anticipation for future threats. Irina wonders what is it preparing for the future, as she doubts it’s the Alliance of Hell, to which Xenovia thinks it maybe Indra and Shiva."

why do you think xenovia suspects shiva? unlike indra or hades has not shown bad intentions.

Well Shiva seems like he's preparing for a war against Indra seeing as he has accepted the assistance of Mahabali and the Asuras.

Indra doesn't have any bad intentions. Just wants to have a war against Shiva thst will probably destroy the world.

[aw454wtr]

Vali RG should be DX volumes main volumes should focus on issei's RG or we end up with 2 RG being badly written due to page limitation

Now Issei has AxA hope he gets ExE in vol 4 as Hades and Angry Maniyu might be making their moves

[aw454wtr]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Well Shiva seems like he's preparing for a war against Indra seeing as he has accepted the assistance of Mahabali and the Asuras.

Indra doesn't have any bad intentions. Just wants to have a war against Shiva thst will probably destroy the world.

Indra is not really evil per se, just loves a good fight on a godly scale unlike hades who (despite actually being one of the better gods in greek mytos unlike zeus) is just evil

[aw454wtr]

Up to now in the series Issei has defeated more gods than Vali (0 gods defeated) and yet Issei is only high class not ultimate class??????

[Ka-el]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

Up to now in the series Issei has defeated more gods than Vali (0 gods defeated) and yet Issei is only high class not ultimate class??????

It doesn’t work like this. Anyway Vali was already high class devil from the beginning because of his blood.

[CCPDarkraiRules]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

Vali RG should be DX volumes main volumes should focus on issei's RG or we end up with 2 RG being badly written due to page limitation

Now Issei has AxA hope he gets ExE in vol 4 as Hades and Angry Maniyu might be making their moves

It would be too soon for Issei to get ExE in V4 because he just got AxA in V3.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

Up to now in the series Issei has defeated more gods than Vali (0 gods defeated) and yet Issei is only high class not ultimate class??????

Vali is ultimate class as a publicity stunt because he's a Lucifer.

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by aw454wtr

Up to now in the series Issei has defeated more gods than Vali (0 gods defeated) and yet Issei is only high class not ultimate class??????

And Naruto and Sasuke were still Genin when they defeated Kaguya.

I thought that I explained a million times why Vali would become an Ultimate-class devil or why it would make sense. The offer of Ultimate-class devil isn't really as much about Vali's heritage and power as it is about giving him an incentive to want to join the devils. As he was never really under the authority of the Underworld despite being a devil.

But Issei came under the Underworld's authority when he was reincarnated as a devil. He had to start out at the bottom and move his way up from there.