(L+CR) Lord El Melloi II Case Files - Anime Discussion

[Nachtwandler]

Actully the new servant mentioned her name clearly. Just google it. And she seems more like Iskandars double.

[Random14]

Her outfit reminds me of the young Alexander (but then much of my Fate knowledge comes from Grand Order). No idea what she is, or what Waver is talking about. Fate has lots of crazy ideas (pseudo-servants, Prisma Illya's card installs, alternate universe versions, etc.) so anything goes. Though looks like stealing the mantle wasn't just to draw Waver in. And heh, hyena is so fitting for Luvia. Hm, so who was the previous head of modern magecraft, as that definitely wasn't Kayneth's field.

Adashino is always up to something which is why Waver doesn't like her (that and her trolling him in general). The priest seems pretty decent but that still doesn't mean much in this 'verse. Poor Olga, she's falling back on her name but she still isn't too bad, just more traumatized than mean.

I guess Gray would be overpowered by an actual Servant. Or maybe not but fighting on top of a train against a flying chariot wouldn't be easy. I hope Waver isn't down too long but Gray is so sweet when she's worrying over him. And how much has Caules gone through in this world? I wonder if this is all unrelated (the murder, the Servant, etc.) or not. Waver's definitely not getting much rest after this though (especially with Melvin jumping in too).

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Wait, how was that woman summoned? Using Iskandar's mantle of course, but I mean which ritual was used. Waver mentioned her being a "Ghost Liner" and I don't know if I'm supposed to know what the fuck that is. Based on what he said, it's an alternate container for a heroic spirit compared to the servant system, and that's about all I got. Why would Waver want to get into the HGW so badly if there's another way to summon Iskandar? I'm going to guess it's because it requires absurd mana and therefore involves a lot of sacrifices.

Waver basically said he didn't see her in Iskandar's NP (as if he could remember the faces of all those heroic spirits, but whatever) but she's obviously related to him. Only thing for sure is that she isn't who she claimed to be.

Or maybe her relationship with Iskandar wasn't a proper liege to subject one, and she's kinda salty at the whole thing. It might explain how she feels about Waver.

[4th Dimension]

Maaan. Waver has waaaaaaaaay too many people in his circle of friends and acquaintances who just LOOOVE seeing him suffer

Originally Posted by Frontier

Adashino feeling Waver's face? Is she trying to make this adversarial relationship more sexually charged or what .

Ha-te-fuck Ha-te-fuck. More fuel for the AdashinoxWaver Titanic ship

Originally Posted by Frontier

So now our heroes have to deal with a pseudo-Servant, not to mention one who was apparently closely linked to Iskandar, for an added personal sting to Waver. So not only does Waver have to deal with Iskandar's right-hand woman, but he also has to deal with the idea that Iskandar had "another woman" .

Sad part is that I'm pretty sure if Waver had summoned Iskandar again he too would call half of those things she called him too. Alex liked the Waver who had the young man's spark of struggling against adversity. The current Waver is all too familiar with his many limitations.

Originally Posted by Frontier

Olga-Marie complaining about Grey not reacting well to Waver's injury is a total hypocrite after how she freaked out over Trisha's murder. But I guess she still came through to help in her own way .

Olga is just a MAAAASIVE tsundere.

Originally Posted by Frontier

Oh hey, Melvin. I almost forgot about him. And he bought his way into the auction to join in on the fun with Waver. Maybe he'll bring Svin and Flat with him .

I'm not sure I want Felt shenanigans on a train half way to the underworld...

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Nachtwandler

Actully the new servant mentioned her name clearly. Just google it. And she seems more like Iskandars double.

Hephaestion was Iskandar's closest friend, he would have been right next to him in his NP. Yet Waver never saw her, so she isn't him.

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by 4th Dimension

Maaan. Waver has waaaaaaaaay too many people in his circle of friends and acquaintances who just LOOOVE seeing him suffer

Ha-te-fuck Ha-te-fuck. More fuel for the AdashinoxWaver Titanic ship
.

True, Waver doesn't get much of a choice in his acquaintances, but he could really do with more Grays and less Reines/Melvins.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Hephaestion was Iskandar's closest friend, he would have been right next to him in his NP. Yet Waver never saw her, so she isn't him.

Unless it's the one who looked like waver in Zero and they just retconned that one into a female.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

That being said

Priest: "The victim died of severe trauma, due to being beheaded."
Thank you for that valuable insight, Sherlock Obvious! If you hadn't told me otherwise I would have said she died because she got killed.

To be fair, she could have died by a trauma prior to the beheading, or from blood loss caused by the beheading (this would be worse, btw). Shock from beheading would probably be one of the kindest methods of death in this situation, to be honest.

Originally Posted by Frontier

Adashino feeling Waver's face? Is she trying to make this adversarial relationship more sexually charged or what .

If Tokyo Ravens taught me anything, she just slapped about 27 spells and seals on him in that moment.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Hephaestion was Iskandar's closest friend, he would have been right next to him in his NP. Yet Waver never saw her, so she isn't him.

Maybe she died early/got devalued because no longer useful as certain body parts became more prominent. His NP only contained guys after all.

Looks like history gave the real version of Hephaestion the short end of the stick for dying before the real Alexander the Great. None of the other generals had any need to talk about someone other than themselves so he doesn't have much data in history. May have affected why he is not in the NP. That and Alexander's grief over the loss of a friend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestion

[frodonk]

Can anyone tell me who Caules' sister was? I feel like she's part of the universe somewhere but I don't know her.

Looks like they've just hinted at who might be the mastermind behind all this, the former Modern Magecraft department head. Luvia and the necromancer guy just told us that the culprit might've had a spare key, then a few minutes later they talked about the previous head but didn't reveal who it was.

Originally Posted by Kanon

Hephaestion was Iskandar's closest friend, he would have been right next to him in his NP. Yet Waver never saw her, so she isn't him.

I'd say that this might be the real Hephaestion even if she's female BUT if she's the real deal then she should've seen Waver before if she was part of Rider's entourage in his NP AND YET that was Rider's cart though, even if it only had skeleton horses on them so I don't know what to think

But hey, if servants can appear outside the HGW then Iskandar might make an appearance as well, though still highly unlikely.

[4th Dimension]

Originally Posted by frodonk

Can anyone tell me who Caules' sister was? I feel like she's part of the universe somewhere but I don't know her.

Both she and her bro were prominent Masters in Apocrypha. So this is basically more "How are they and what they are doing" for Apocrypha characters.

Spoiler for Character background from Apocrypha:

Caule's sister was unable to move her legs due to something in her circuits. She was a VERY good mage, but as long as she was a mage, she could not get her legs fixed. In Apocrypha she fought in that special version of HGW in a wheelchair and if situation demanded it it could transform into a spider mech thing so she could move.
But in this universe she abandoned her mage side and her circuits and so was able to get her legs fixed.

[orion]

Originally Posted by frodonk

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I'd say that this might be the real Hephaestion even if she's female BUT if she's the real deal then she should've seen Waver before if she was part of Rider's entourage in his NP AND YET that was Rider's cart though, even if it only had skeleton horses on them so I don't know what to think
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Servants don't borrow other people's things. That's her cart.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by orion

Servants don't borrow other people's things. That's her cart.

That's not actually true. There are a number of Servants who use the weapons/tools of a related Heroic Spirit, especially if they wouldn't be strong enough alone.

[magnuskn]

Originally Posted by GDB

If Tokyo Ravens taught me anything, she just slapped about 27 spells and seals on him in that moment.

"That's what you get for wearing shades inside".

[GDB]

Originally Posted by orion

Servants don't borrow other people's things.

Astolfo sends his regards.

[frodonk]

Originally Posted by 4th Dimension

Both she and her bro were prominent Masters in Apocrypha. So this is basically more "How are they and what they are doing" for Apocrypha characters.

Spoiler for Character background from Apocrypha:

Caule's sister was unable to move her legs due to something in her circuits. She was a VERY good mage, but as long as she was a mage, she could not get her legs fixed. In Apocrypha she fought in that special version of HGW in a wheelchair and if situation demanded it it could transform into a spider mech thing so she could move.
But in this universe she abandoned her mage side and her circuits and so was able to get her legs fixed.

Thanks for the explanation! So it's more like "How Apocrypha characters are doing in this timeline" then.

[4th Dimension]

Yup. Same was with that necromancer that is now investigating things with Luvia. He was Mordred's Master in Apocrypha. And I think we saw a fat kid during that scene where that Mage who made electro bunnies is arrested. I'm pretty sure he is the kid of another Apocrypha Master.

And I'm assuming that's just Apocrypha. There are probably all kinds of refferences to other obscure Fate nonsense in this one given it's rather central location it's happening in.

[Kanon]

Not really obscure but Olga is in Grand Order and Flat in Strange Fake.

[4th Dimension]

Well they are obscure to people that just watched mainline FSN animes since they don't appear there.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GDB

Astolfo sends his regards.

Even better example: Lancelot who just used all of Gilgamesh's weapons against him.