High School DxD Light Novel - EX Sidestories Discussion

[Bennia Lover]

Well Incest is sexual activity between family members or close relatives. This typically includes sexual activity between people in a consanguineous relationship (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity, stepfamily, those related by adoption or marriage, or members of the same clan or lineage.

Anyway moving on. Would you think Millicas will get his own harem?

[Drcl972]

In the end the discussion deviated and no one answered my initial question about that specific Azazel quote, @Lucidrago you said that you remember seeing that quote(except for the "american-like" part), right? Do you perhaps remember in what chapter is it?
I also agree on not returning on the "neglect" topic. After all Ex, Kurenai, Zen, future Gasper and Azazel, as well as the 99,9 % of the fans of this series, all agree that Issei barely to never spends any time with his wives and kids.
If a couple of delusional people don't want to accept reality, then they are free to believe in what they want (as long as they stop trying to convince other peoples that their delusions are real).

Wasn't there an Akeno/Baraqiel (light) incest scene? They are fallen angels, probably their morals is differents from humans and they don't consider light incest to be strange.

[Parry999]

Yes there was.

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, let's call them our delusions. Sure. And completely ignore the fact that no one ever called Ise neglectful in EX. Also, look at this:

Kurenai continued.

"His schedule for the next two centuries is completely filled. Even our mothers can go some time without seeing him; on the contrary it's our moms who have to rotate when it comes to escorting him."

He gets to spend time with his wives and kids, and his wives do rotation for escorting him to his work trips. It sounds more like Ise stays at home for some time and then has to leave. And his wives don't see for a while at times. But at other times he's home for long enough and he gets to spend time with his family. And so far there's nothing that's come up in my reading, from Kurenai or Zen, about calling Ise neglectful. But there certainly is a part where Kurena and Zen talk about how Ise is the same old same old (while watching a live stream from the old school building with the insectoid camera Azazel planted there). Which proves they've seen enough of Ise and his interactions with his wives to know how he is.

@Lucidrago: Who's ignoring what you said? You're the one who seems like you don't read what we say. Are you sure you actually paid attention when you read EX (if you've read it which I hope you have)?

How many times does it have to be said that Ex was the only one who was bitter and it was only because he felt betrayed by his father whom he viewed as an idol before you guys get it? And then even that same Ex admitted he was wrong when he learned the truth?

Right now I'm reading EX. I'll come back with more quotes later. And if I find nothing on Ise being neglectful, I'll lose some of my respect for the nay-sayers here.

[Hakai]

Tbh when I first read about EX I thought how and why did Ise become so busy that he doesn't have time for the children, it felt really unpleasant. But that was before the release of Volume 21.
Now after the events of last 3-4 volumes we know why he is that busy, if anything I feel bad for the guy. I'm sure he's hurting too for not being able to spend enough time with his children.
But there was no other choice, it had to be him(the center/leader of ExE).

[Ruki0089]

Here we go again... We are in time loop!

[Bennia Lover]

People are saying Issei is neglectful, but forget how busy the mothers are. Irina comes home exhausted from work all the time so won't have the energy to even spend time with her son Shin, Xenovia is busy with cram school and the time she does spend with Zen, she's strict so that's no fun at all and Rias is busy with her enterprises so she will have less time to spend with Ex. Akeno is busy with her work at Grigori. The kids spend more time with Asia than their own mothers, Airi being the exception of course. All the mothers are very busy with their own work yet why is nobody saying they are neglectful? Being neglectful is a choice, not something that unwillingly happens because otherwise you might as well say your own parents; if at least one of them works are being neglectful just because they are working and not spending that time with you.

[Ruki0089]

We seriously in time loop... I managed changed the topic... But seems people really love this topic...
Let's just stay in my Incest topic

[Bennia Lover]

Well there's nothing more to discuss on the matter so it ends here. Anyway back to my question: Will Millicas get his own harem? I would say yes and that if he does attend Auros or some other Underworld school, the main wife will come from the school.

[Ruki0089]

Milicas.... I think he's good with one girl... Not harem... OTP just like his father...

[Bennia Lover]

Sirzechs only doesn't have a harem because it's not allowed as of now for the demon kings, but with Ajuka in charge, he can change that rule since Issei is apparently going to become the Demon King Satan and so would need the rule changing.

Millicas would probably get a harem like his granddad.

[Ruki0089]

Nonono... OTP just his father!

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Drcl972

In the end the discussion deviated and no one answered my initial question about that specific Azazel quote, @Lucidrago you said that you remember seeing that quote(except for the "american-like" part), right? Do you perhaps remember in what chapter is it?
I also agree on not returning on the "neglect" topic. After all Ex, Kurenai, Zen, future Gasper and Azazel, as well as the 99,9 % of the fans of this series, all agree that Issei barely to never spends any time with his wives and kids.
If a couple of delusional people don't want to accept reality, then they are free to believe in what they want (as long as they stop trying to convince other peoples that their delusions are real).

Wasn't there an Akeno/Baraqiel (light) incest scene? They are fallen angels, probably their morals is differents from humans and they don't consider light incest to be strange.

It's always amusing watching someone project their own horrible position on the other side in an attempt to rally.

Futile, but amusing.

I just read the entire thing again, and the only scene that mentions it at all is that one line with Zen. Which involves the other kid telling him to stop pouting that Issei isn't around as much as he used to be.

And is followed by half a dozen scene of the kids talking about their family being together and stories their dad told him and a bunch of other stuff that literally couldn't happen if it was remotely close to the picture a couple of haters insist on painting.

Not to mention every kid but Ex is proud of being Issei's kid to the point they introduce themselves as the "son/daughter of Issei Hyoudo"

Anyone who reads what's actually written and thinks "neglect" knows nothing of Japan's culture or what actual neglectful parenting is.

It's never been anything but a stupid meme a couple of wannabe's started so they could justify their shitty fanfics.

[Lucidrago]

I don't go off of the stupid memes. I never did base my answer upon what Ex thinks and listed reasons. I listed true reasons that no one could deny. I would want to debate it further but it's going nowhere. Let's move on.

Millicas is likely to get a harem. As long as he's strong, charming, and handsome he should have no problem getting a harem.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

I don't go off of the stupid memes. I never did base my answer upon what Ex thinks and listed reasons. I listed true reasons that no one could deny. I would want to debate it further but it's going nowhere. Let's move on.

Millicas is likely to get a harem. As long as he's strong, charming, and handsome he should have no problem getting a harem.

You stated assumptions repeatedly debunked by multiple people on both sides of the fourth wall. The entire thing was based on what you defined as neglectful, and you assumed that Issei just fulfilled that entire definition.

You had no interest in what actually happened or the context in which the single statement your presumption rested on, and acted like it was a given you were right despite it being explained to you multiple times your entire premise was mistaken.

[Tbolt]

how do you think the Issei reactionary if a man puts all his daughters in his harem, will he be as supportive as zeoticus or will he look at him with jealousy as is baraquiel?

They will not be in anyone's peerage, they for a fact will have there own peerages since they will be stronger than any other high class devil.

[Drcl972]

Originally Posted by XFire

It's always amusing watching someone project their own horrible position on the other side in an attempt to rally.

Futile, but amusing.

I just read the entire thing again, and the only scene that mentions it at all is that one line with Zen. Which involves the other kid telling him to stop pouting that Issei isn't around as much as he used to be.

And is followed by half a dozen scene of the kids talking about their family being together and stories their dad told him and a bunch of other stuff that literally couldn't happen if it was remotely close to the picture a couple of haters insist on painting.

Not to mention every kid but Ex is proud of being Issei's kid to the point they introduce themselves as the "son/daughter of Issei Hyoudo"

Anyone who reads what's actually written and thinks "neglect" knows nothing of Japan's culture or what actual neglectful parenting is.

It's never been anything but a stupid meme a couple of wannabe's started so they could justify their shitty fanfics.

And again, people restart inventing every sort of things.
True, no one used the words "neglect" in the story, but they said that Ise hardly/ never spend time with wives and kids, which is the freaking definition of neglect.
This was stated several times by 5 different characters. Yet you guys are simply ignoring that and you're continuing with all of these delusions of yours.

No one ever debunked that Ise hardly/never spend times with his family. NO ONE. Stop inventing things, seriously.

His kids know Ise is a pervert. That's because the whole world know that he is a pervert. And they aren't proud of being Ise's kids, they are proud of having the power of an heavenly dragon in their veins.

We aren't haters, we are just stating what was stated in the canon. In fact, I like that future shown in EX, it's realistic. And I followed and loved this series for years.

You are just interpreting everything in the way that you like, while ignoring everything that you don't like, that's why everything you are saying is basically nothing more than a delusion of yours.

[Ruki0089]

Yeah, then our parents is neglectful too...
Stop this discussion already... It's freaking annoying already...
Everyone here really love this topic...

[Tbolt]

Drcl972 what story are you reading?

His kids know Ise is a pervert. That's because the whole world know that he is a pervert. And they aren't proud of being Ise's kids, they are proud of having the power of an heavenly dragon in their veins.

Please please give the quote where his kids are not proud of their father, if no quote your statement is just you hate for Ise.

[Ruki0089]

He is delusional... That part clearly stated he didn't really read...

Let's stop this discussion already...