(L) Overlord [LN]

[Xellos-_^]

Reading it in a 2nd language

[Oomizuao]

Originally Posted by lucaman

thank you for inform me wonder how perfrom Pandora Actor doing as Momom no one will not notice something strange or a bit odd about this masquerade Momon right?.

Spoiler for those who have not read vol. 5 or 6:

Actually, Sebas noticed PA's behavior was something bit too dramatic for usual Ainz in vol. 5 or 6,
at the time when Sebas was confronted by floor guardians as potential betrayer.
He also noticed that PA's aura was less charismatic than Ainz's.
But most of NPC would never consider the possibility of meeting Ainz's double,
as doubting his genuineness can be too disrespectfull, I think.
And as some others mentioned, PA's personality (except the part which is described in his flavour text written by Momonga) is
very likely the copy of Ainz's own personality,

so even the very close ones to Ainz would have difficult time
to discern whether the "Ainz" is real one or his double.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

What do you mean?

You can see it in chapter 2. She's actually a psycopath that doesn't give a shit about other people. All those good acts she does? Just a facade to appeal to Climb.

[Oomizuao]

Originally Posted by denfac

In a fantasy setting where some weapons can cleave trhough steel like butter,
and some people can break said wapons with their pectoral muscles,
shape of armor is the last thing you should try to explain

Oh they took out the all bones no boner tag... shame

Interesting topic.
This problem of "Unrealistic sexy Bikini armor vs Realistic full-covering safe-but-not-provocative armor"
was actually discussed between Albedo and Salltear
in the novella attached to the Overlord manga vol.1.

[dragonking9]

nononono....................please don't start the armor topic again. you start putting this topic back on the table and we will have whole pages of fanatics arguing about how a armor should be,them putting real logic into a game based anime ect. It's pointless and boring info that nobody bother reading. No offence of cource.I rather have more spoilers or discussions about the characters in the novels. Most of the discussions these couple pages were mostly new overlord fans asking about the same questions that already been answered(and that boner joke). Nothing new to discuss these days. We are just quoting the same things we have talk about since last year to these rookies that know nothing of overlord. XD

[Schattenbach]

Some points I've been wondering about ...

What's the deal with "Triple Maximaze" (compared to the regular Maximaze) and other metamagics used by Ainz and others?

Have monsters actually a comparable system in terms of jobs/races as player characters/NPCs/New World dwellers are restricted by or use they (usually) specific "monster levels" (like "50 levels gigantic dire weasle") or general creature levels (level 50 "animal")? If it#s the later two, then do these monsters - theoretically - have access to jobs and such, too? What's the case?

So ... how valuable is a Magic Caster's Mana exactly? Is it along the lines of (cannot waste it unecessarily as otherwise, I'm out of MP to cast spells for the next few hours) or just a case of having to wait a few minutes until MP fully recovers?

What was the talk about that Ainz's undead productiion only being restricted by daily skill use (and MP)? Does he only use his "create undead" skills to create undeads, then?

Do all races progress a character's growth as spellcaster or is it only limited to specific races like, for example, Skeleton Wizards and Elder Lichs? Is Shalltear actually a Level 100 magic caster or only enough so that she's able to use rank 10 spells?

[Oomizuao]

I sincerely admit that discussion of this kind of topic between readers is so-often boring and messy.
But, I have thought discussion between "characters" was actually quite funny.
So, please kindly excuse me my resurecting of that dead topic.

[Xellos-_^]

couple of points form vol9.

1. The Theocracy is the strongest of the human kingdoms
2. humans are in a very precarious position.
3. the dragon queen is a loli
4. the dragon kingdom lost several cities to a neighboring beastman kingdom
5. the humans in the cities were kill and eaten.
6. places that are further away form humans land have been known to serve 6mo old fetus.
7. the dragon kingdom pays tribute to the Theocracy every year and the theocracy is expect to help the dragon kingdom in its fight but this time no help has been send,
8. Gazef points that every time the kingdom and the empire fight over the disputed lands. The theocracy wold sent a diplomatic msg claiming that piece of land. However this time around no msg has been sent.

[dragonking9]

That is to be expected. The Theocracy lost the sunlight scripture,the windflower scripture is currently tracking their lost miko treasure and the black scripture suffer some casualty from Shalltear. And they are preparing for some disaster prophecy. Would they really has time for some other kingdom? They are into some deep shit if Ainz ever find out that they are the ones that cause the Shalltear incident. The rage that Ainz has would guaranteed them a very painful death.

[Oomizuao]

Originally Posted by Schattenbach

Do all races progress a character's growth as spellcaster or is it only limited to specific races like, for example, Skeleton Wizards and Elder Lichs? Is Shalltear actually a Level 100 magic caster or only enough so that she's able to use rank 10 spells?

Magic (and class system) in Overlord world is quite similar to that of D&D 3.5e,
as Maruyama-san is old core table-top RPG player,
and he loves D&D 3.5e (and CthulhuRPG) very much.

So, not only basic arcane magic user classes,
but also some other prestige classes and spell-casting monster classes would progress character's caster levels too,
like D&D 3.5e, I guess.

[erbrah]

Originally Posted by Schattenbach

Some points I've been wondering about ...

What's the deal with "Triple Maximaze" (compared to the regular Maximaze) and other metamagics used by Ainz and others?

Have monsters actually a comparable system in terms of jobs/races as player characters/NPCs/New World dwellers are restricted by or use they (usually) specific "monster levels" (like "50 levels gigantic dire weasle") or general creature levels (level 50 "animal")? If it#s the later two, then do these monsters - theoretically - have access to jobs and such, too? What's the case?

So ... how valuable is a Magic Caster's Mana exactly? Is it along the lines of (cannot waste it unecessarily as otherwise, I'm out of MP to cast spells for the next few hours) or just a case of having to wait a few minutes until MP fully recovers?

What was the talk about that Ainz's undead productiion only being restricted by daily skill use (and MP)? Does he only use his "create undead" skills to create undeads, then?

Do all races progress a character's growth as spellcaster or is it only limited to specific races like, for example, Skeleton Wizards and Elder Lichs? Is Shalltear actually a Level 100 magic caster or only enough so that she's able to use rank 10 spells?

1. That has to do with the power of the magic.
2. I don't understand the monster question.
3. Mana or mp is like stamina to magic casters. Crush exhausted her mp and she fell unconscious.
4.

Spoiler:

Create High Tier Undead (4/day): Ainz created Eyeball Corpse and Pale Rider by using this ability. If Ainz uses his experience points, he can even create level 90 monsters. (Overlord Wiseman / Grim Reaper Thanatos).
Create Middle Tier Undead (12/day): Ainz created Death Knight, Jack the Ripper and Corpse Collector by using this ability.
Create Low Tier Undead (20/day): Ainz created Wraith, Bone Vulture by using this ability.

5. Shalltear is not compareable to a lvl 100 magic caster. She cannot use rank 10 magic as far as I am aware. The reason she is ok is because her innate vampire abilities. Shalltear is more of a vanguard, she can't fight magic with magic.

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by erbrah

5. Shalltear is not compareable to a lvl 100 magic caster. She cannot use rank 10 magic as far as I am aware. The reason she is ok is because her innate vampire abilities. Shalltear is more of a vanguard, she can't fight magic with magic.

She does use Tier 10 spells. She uses one to make the mercenaries in Volume 3 explode.

[Penetrate Magic: Implosion]

10th level magic— as the strongest level of magic flew out, the bodies of ten mercenaries suddenly became bloated.

[erbrah]

Originally Posted by LystAP

She does use Tier 10 spells. She uses one to make the mercenaries in Volume 3 explode.

Yeah, I guess I forgot that magic.

She is an above average magic caster, but she cannot be compared to ainz or tabula.

[luffyxnami]

Now that you guy mention that 10th tier magic shaltar have, doesn't it seem kind of strange since have she use it against those guy that brainwash her from the start all of them would have been dead. I guess it did mention she wasn't thinking straight so it could be count as a plot excuse as to why those guy even survive in the beginning. I mean wide spread spell 8th tier and above would have wipe out all of those guy.

[LystAP]

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

Now that you guy mention that 10th tier magic shaltar have, doesn't it seem kind of strange since have she use it against those guy that brainwash her from the start all of them would have been dead. I guess it did mention she wasn't thinking straight so it could be count as a plot excuse as to why those guy even survive in the beginning. I mean wide spread spell 8th tier and above would have wipe out all of those guy.

Shaltear was ordered to capture mercenaries for information, as well as to not let any of them escape. She failed big time. As well as unnecessarily slaughtering a team of adventurers and failing to keep their ranger from escaping to warn the nearby city.

She was trying to make up for her failure by capturing them (the Black Scripture) alive. By the time she noticed that the group was dangerous, it was already too late.

[Namorax]

Originally Posted by Schattenbach

Some points I've been wondering about ...

What's the deal with "Triple Maximaze" (compared to the regular Maximaze) and other metamagics used by Ainz and others?

YGGDRASIL has something I call "spell modifiers", and this "Triple Maximise" is actually a combination of two of them. Let's base the explanation on the vanilla Fireball Spell:
If you simply cast "Fireball", it's just a normal fireball that does normal damage.
If you cast "Triple Fireball", you use only one single spell, but you get three times the amount of fireballs to hit your target with.
If you cast "Maximise Fireball", you get a single fireball that causes the maximum possible damage.
And last but not least, "Triple Maximise Fireball" is a combination of the above: you cast one spell, but you create three fireballs that each do the maximum possible amount of damage.
When we first translated that, I had been under the impression that the spell would do 1x300% damage or something, but I was quickly told that interpretation was wrong. It's 3x100% damage, definitely.

Have monsters actually a comparable system in terms of jobs/races as player characters/NPCs/New World dwellers are restricted by or use they (usually) specific "monster levels" (like "50 levels gigantic dire weasle") or general creature levels (level 50 "animal")? If it#s the later two, then do these monsters - theoretically - have access to jobs and such, too? What's the case?

No idea to be honest, since the story never touched upon that part. I assume that if a player would need to have N levels of a specific class/race to unlock another class/race, then the same would go for NPCs.
As for the inhabitants of the New World, I think the author is deliberately witholding information: We do have charactersheets for these people, but apart from a short introduction (their basic data) we know nothing about their classes, stats or abilities. For all we know, Gazef could be a level 75 doppelganger who put all his status points into strength and wisdom, with cook as his second class.

So ... how valuable is a Magic Caster's Mana exactly? Is it along the lines of (cannot waste it unecessarily as otherwise, I'm out of MP to cast spells for the next few hours) or just a case of having to wait a few minutes until MP fully recovers?

The exact time required for a magic caster to regenerate all his mana was never stated. We only know that once he or she runs out of mana, they become a sitting duck on the battlefield. I believe most don't even live long enough to reach that point...
Once they run out of mana, they can cast no more spells. The lizardmen seem to be able to "surpass their limits" in that regard as they were obviously out of mana but still kept casting... the exact reasons for that were never stated. Feel free to speculate.

What was the talk about that Ainz's undead productiion only being restricted by daily skill use (and MP)? Does he only use his "create undead" skills to create undeads, then?

Again, I have to read between the lines to anser that question since there wasn't a real answer given by the story:
YGGDRASIL has a simple premise: The stronger anything is, the more restrictions it receives in return...
This started with player races and presumably also covers the numerous character classes. All we know is that Ainz can only summon a limited amount of undead every day. He still needs to have the mana to cast the spell, but if he used up all of his undead-creation-spells for the day, he can no longer summon additional undead even if his manatank is 100% full.
And yes, the "Create Undead" spell is only able to create undead. If he wanted to summon elementals, golems or mind-crushingly powerful, extra-dimensional demigods from outside the known universe, he would need to use another spell.

Do all races progress a character's growth as spellcaster or is it only limited to specific races like, for example, Skeleton Wizards and Elder Lichs? Is Shalltear actually a Level 100 magic caster or only enough so that she's able to use rank 10 spells?

Every race gives a player specific advantages and disadvantages. I assume that "Necromancer" and "Lich" give a player various boosts to various attributes, elemental affinities/weaknesses or mana, but that doesn't mean you can't play a "Conan the Lich Barbarian" character.
Shalltear is a very specialised build, so she was created as a min-max character. She has a rather limited repertoire of skills to choose from, but on the other hand she is extremely powerful in her specialised field.

Originally Posted by dragonking9

That is to be expected. The Theocracy lost the sunlight scripture,the windflower scripture is currently tracking their lost miko treasure and the black scripture suffer some casualty from Shalltear. And they are preparing for some disaster prophecy. Would they really has time for some other kingdom? They are into some deep shit if Ainz ever find out that they are the ones that cause the Shalltear incident. The rage that Ainz has would guaranteed them a very painful death.

The Theocracy might have lost the Sunlight Scripture, but chances are the people around Nigan weren't the only members... there are probably still a few of them running around, but yeah, it's probably out of commission until they get the replacements in.
About the Windflowers, I doubt they dedicated a whole 1/6 of their special forces (if you consider all scriputres together as 100%) to track down one traitor. Besides, the point is actually moot:
They knew Clementine had the crown and they found Clementine's corpse after the events of volume 2. Since the corpses of Clementine and Kajit disappeared, it's likely that the Windflowers spirited them away and also found the remains of the crown in the crypt where Aniz located (and freed) Enfrea.
As for the prophecy, I thought that referred to the awakening of what's-his-name, and it was because the Blackies had already dealt with it and were on the way home that they happened to cross Shalltears path.
They only lost one member and have probably resurrected him by the time volume 9 begins. There are still three as of now unnamed scriptures, and the little girl with her rubik-cube running around.
They might have some plots running in the background, but they are not out of the game yet. They will probably become the final antagonists or something...


EDIT: Wow... the thread isn't even a year old and already has 200+ pages. Coincidentally, It is alos a little bit over two hundred pages since I first came here! xD

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

couple of points form vol9.

1. The Theocracy is the strongest of the human kingdoms
2. humans are in a very precarious position.
3. the dragon queen is a loli
4. the dragon kingdom lost several cities to a neighboring beastman kingdom
5. the humans in the cities were kill and eaten.
6. places that are further away form humans land have been known to serve 6mo old unborn babies.
7. the dragon kingdom pays tribute to the Theocracy every year and the theocracy is expect to help the dragon kingdom in its fight but this time no help has been send,
8. Gazef points that every time the kingdom and the empire fight over the disputed lands. The theocracy wold sent a diplomatic msg claiming that piece of land. However this time around no msg has been sent.

I'm sorry. Could you elaborate on this? Are you saying 6 month old babies?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by bakato

I'm sorry. Could you elaborate on this? Are you saying 6 month old babies?

6 month old fetus

simply put, the further away from human lands, humans = food livestock.

[bakato]

Thanks.

When a guild takes over a base with a castle-level rank, they could create NPCs with a collective maximum level of 700.

Could someone explain this for me? Cause the math doesn't check out. Cocytus (100), Albedo (100), Pandora's Actor (100), Sebas Tian (100), Victim (35), Demiurge (100), Aura (100), Mare (100), Pleiades (50s).

The Floor Guardians alone aside from Victim already break the 700 cap. This doesn't even include the Area Guardians, the Pleiades, other guys like Eclair and the Sous-Chef, and the overlords.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by bakato

Thanks.



Could someone explain this for me? Cause the math doesn't check out. Cocytus (100), Albedo (100), Pandora's Actor (100), Sebas Tian (100), Victim (35), Demiurge (100), Aura (100), Mare (100), Pleiades (50s).

The Floor Guardians alone aside from Victim already break the 700 cap. This doesn't even include the Area Guardians, the Pleiades, other guys like Eclair and the Sous-Chef, and the overlords.

i am guessing you can raise the cap by paying for it.