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However, it's stated that the Zeon essentially managed to do that sucessfully, without any kind of real disadvantages. Is it realistic? No. But it is the official information about that weapon, you can't argue against that in the context of the Universal Century. Quote:
Note that even the rifle is stated to have a "rapid fire" mode, so, it clearly wasn't built only for sniping. It seems to be able to switch modes, working like a machinegun or like a sniper rifle. Quote:
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I'm not talking about a generic human shaped machine vs a real tank, but about the Zaku and the Magella. Last edited by NeonZ; 2006-03-28 at 10:54. |
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2006-03-28, 13:00 | Link #62 |
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I concede on the pounds mass/ pounds force. But since I'm currently taking a physics class, I find that terminology irksome. What little time we spent in non-SI, we just learned that pounds is force, slugs is mass and a slug on earth equals 32 pounds.
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In armored combat, the winner of a tank duel is not the one that fires the most shots, but the one that fires the most accurate shots that penetrate. In your convenient scenario, you also forgotten the fact that the Magella is going to have far superior armor. Quote:
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Is it realistic? I don't care. It's still clearly a fact in this show. Quote:
The Gundam's acceleration is 0.93 G, that isn't much better than a Zaku. Yet, it dodged not only solid objects, but much faster Minovsky Particle based beams(even before Amuro actually developed his NT powers). If the Gundam can dodge beams, the Zaku can dodge gunfire. Quote:
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Where is the scene showing a Zaku failing to seriously damage a Type 61 with a sucessful hit? There isn't one. Watch the original MSG, or any of the OVAs, there isn't a single scene showing a tank (huh...) tanking hits of any solid weapons of Mobile Suits. It's hit. It's damaged or blown up. The Magella still was useful after getting hit, but that was because of its design, it had nothing to do with the armor, considering that the lower section usually was completely destroyed. Also, about the armor... How do you know anything about the Magella's armor? The Zaku uses "Steel", though that doesn't say much, considering how it's only a generic name for different alloys based on iron and carbon. One of those official files also stated that the Zeon weren't good at making composite alloys, and that was one of the main advances done to the Zeon designs after the Federation got their technology. Considering that, the alloy used on the magella can't be significantly better. The magella doesn't even have a weight stat. Not only that, the upper half of the Magella seems to be extremely light, considering its abilities. Unless the lower half is made from a different material, I just don't see how it'd have a good, or even decent, armor. The Type-61 seems to be much more like a conventional tank. Quote:
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Wasn't the Zaku from MS Igloo using rapid fire? Using the sniping option, the shot would have even more speed. Last edited by NeonZ; 2006-03-29 at 19:12. |
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And firing a solid projectile in zero-g vacuum is different from on 1-g Earth surface |
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2006-03-29, 19:46 | Link #67 |
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For reference, a modern day, current generation jet fighter all have >1G acceleration in "clean" configurations, and 9G turning acceleration. It makes a Zaku rightfully look like a slowpoke. Modern airdefenses is expected to engage such targets with out too much problems.
and note that Zaku armor can be penetrated by "60mm" vulcan. The crazy dodging we see in Gundam is just absurdity.... Human reflexes is around .25 seconds (unless you are newtype), which translates to ~400meters of shell travel time before humans can respond. And thing fired within 400m can not be dodge. |
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Let's not forget that moving using AMBAC will mess with the MS's aim much more than using thrusters. Quote:
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Of course, that doesn't make much sense considering some scenes which show the pilot only getting aware of the attack after it's actually done. In SEED Destiny, they even created that ridiculous emergency light used even in close combat. Last edited by NeonZ; 2006-03-29 at 20:27. |
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In the show itself, the gun cannot have a very long range because it's got a low muzzle-velocity. It's rather obvious that is not, and cannot be simply an upsized version of an existing weapon (Zeon designers aren't quite that stupid). Also, the disadvantage itself is rather self-evident - it's too feeble to damage the Gundam! A superior weapon would not have that difficulty. Quote:
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arrrrgh!!!! My post was lost! and it was a great explanation of how physical weapons would act in space and on earth plus the dropping bullet experiment. Also as a bonus I added why any smart captain would depressurize a battleship prior to a battle and how a battleships armor could be lighter than a tanks.
ok I have a little bit of time so here is the short recap. In spce range doesn't matter power wise unless you are close to the earth and shooting away. also, you'll lose accuracy if you're close to the earth on earth range depends on muzzle velocity and firing angle. if you shoot a bullet horizontally it will hit the ground at the same time as a dropped bullet (error only by earth curvature.) Resources are hard to get in space so battleships might have thin armor. any smart captain will depressurize a space battleship prior to a battle. got to go Last edited by fizzmaister; 2006-03-31 at 11:33. |
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