Madoka Magica - Movie 3 Spoilers and Speculations

[xizro345]

The only thing I can say is...what?
I agree with others though, it does look like that Gen's characters seem unable to grow up from their former selves, and this movie I think, from what is known, proves this point.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Dialogue between Homura and Madoka in the last scene:

So Homura does try to make the world a better place like Madoka wanted, if only to keep her happy so that she won't become her enemy. Either way it still means that her world isn't worse than Madoka's, at least for now.

So Homura is now carrying Madoka's cross of destiny or something?

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by bhl88

So Homura is now carrying Madoka's cross of destiny or something?

More like she's decided that Madoka shouldn't sacrifice herself for the world, and has erased her memory, changed her history and changed the world in order to stop from becoming Madokami again. I doubt she's taken up Madokami's post.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by bhl88

So Homura is now carrying Madoka's cross of destiny or something?

I suppose you could see it that way.



On another note, Sayaka is such a deus ex machina character in this movie. Somehow she knows exactly what to do to save Homura and break QB's barrier, for example. It's way too convenient. She even retains her memory in Homura's new world.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I suppose you could see it that way.



On another note, Sayaka is such a deus ex machina character in this movie. Somehow she knows exactly what to do to save Homura and break QB's barrier, for example. It's way too convenient.

I guess she's the first saint to ascend to heaven.

[LightDragonman]

Having come back from scrolling through the reactions on 4chan, I'm glad you guys are much more reasonable.

[AuraTwilight]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I suppose you could see it that way.



On another note, Sayaka is such a deus ex machina character in this movie. Somehow she knows exactly what to do to save Homura and break QB's barrier, for example. It's way too convenient. She even retains her memory in Homura's new world.

From what I'm hearing in the audio rip, Nagisa also seems to retain some memory. The implication seems to be that they know better since they were both dead.

[whitecloud]

I guess the speculation of homura will become evil is correct then...homura did become a being close to lucifer, just in this case she usurp god to have her for herself...to relieve god from her job saving humanity

Buuuut...she too already mention that in the future thay will fight, because homura is selfish, andthe system she make now definitely just replicating what the incubator use if not worse, since there is no mahou shoujo and witches i guess...

Madoka must fight homura to return to her position to fix the world, return it to what is before...even though it is not the best solution as we all know, and homura will fight because she only care about madoka happiness...everything else be damned...and that would be an eternal conflict...between two gods, even though they care about each other...

No wonder it will split the fanbase....

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by whitecloud

Buuuut...she too already mention that in the future thay will fight

Well, Homura is trying to make a good world so that Madoka will never become her enemy.

Originally Posted by whitecloud

Madoka must fight homura to return to her position to fix the world, return it to what is before...

Madoka doesn't care about "positions." She would only fight if Homura's world starts to crumble, and that's yet to be seen.

[Hachiko]

Madokatholics vs. Homuratestants. Take your pick.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

So Homura does try to make the world a better place like Madoka wanted, if only to keep her happy so that she won't become her enemy. Either way it still means that her world isn't worse than Madoka's, at least for now.

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think Homura truly understands what a happy world is for Madoka. She will most likely just try to keep her happy at the expense of everyone else (the magical girls), hence her earlier question and why she told both Sayaka and Madoka they would become enemies. Her dialogue with Sayaka makes it clear she has changed Madoka's system (otherwise Sayaka wouldn't even be there), and I doubt that's a good thing. Sayaka seems to believe she will destroy the world.

[Hachiko]

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kanon

I'm not so sure about that. I don't think Homura truly understands what a happy world is for Madoka. She will most likely just try to keep her happy at the expense of everyone else (the magical girls)

She knows she has to keep the girls happy and safe if she wants Madoka to remain put. That's basically what Madoka tells her in that scene.

Whether she successes is another matter.

Originally Posted by Kanon

Her dialogue with Sayaka makes it clear she has changed Madoka's system (otherwise Sayaka wouldn't even be there), and I doubt that's a good thing. Sayaka seems to believe she will destroy the world.

Sayaka thinks that way, yes. And Homura taunts her, saying that she may just destroy the world. But she's messing with her, because then she says something like "let's way until all the Maju are defeated and see what happens." Which I thought was a pretty tricky thing to say, because I doubt they will ever defeat all the Maju.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

On another note, Sayaka is such a deus ex machina character in this movie. Somehow she knows exactly what to do to save Homura and break QB's barrier, for example. It's way too convenient. She even retains her memory in Homura's new world.

Wow, that's surprising to read. I never thought Gen would give that sort of role to Sayaka.


On the main topic of discussion... I think we should remember that the plot is only one part of an anime, and it's not even necessarily the most important part. I think that this is particularly true for a movie released in theaters. For a movie released in theaters, I think the most important thing is having good visual/audio spectacle that makes watching the movie a real experience (otherwise, it begs the question of "Why not just do a TV show?")

It could be that the visual/audio experience of watching this movie in theaters is so fantastic that movie-goers are more willing to roll with some plot and/or characterization issues. Even the trailers for the movie showcase some impressively creative SHAFT-y visuals, and the action scenes on display in those trailers also looked excellent.

Whatever one thinks of the plot on paper, it's important to see the movie for yourself to truly know if you'll like it or not.


I mean, if someone a year ago showed me the full plot for Valvrave the Liberator Season 1, just written on paper, I'd be tempted to say "Wow... these writers are completely off their meds, aren't they?" But when you watch Valvrave, it manages to make it work pretty well, imo. Maybe this movie is much the same.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Wow, that's surprising to read. I never thought Gen would give that sort of role to Sayaka.

To be fair, Homura was going to break the barrier and save Madoka on her own by becoming a witch, but then Sayaka goes all "I'm Law of Cycles now, we will bring Homura back". During battle Homura even begs her to stop, but nobody can hear her.

So like, Sayaka ruined her plan so Homura decided to become the Dark Lord instead.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

To be fair, Homura was going to break the barrier and save Madoka on her own by becoming a witch, but then Sayaka goes all "I'm Law of Cycles now, we will bring Homura back". During battle Homura even begs her to stop, but nobody can hear her.

So like, Sayaka ruined her plan so Homura decided to become the Dark Lord instead.

So Sayaka is the main reason that Homura was saved? My, that's deliciously ironic, probably in multiple ways. I definitely think I'm going to enjoy this scene, lol.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

So Sayaka is the main reason that Homura was saved?

Yeah, and also the main reason she became "Satan." lol Sayaka messed up. She should have let Homura become a witch as planned.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Yeah, and also the main reason she became "Satan." lol Sayaka messed up. She should have let Homura become a witch as planned.

That's presuming that Homura becoming this "Dark Lord" is actually a bad thing.

Although Sayaka herself seems to think that, so yes, that's likely part of the irony I was referring to.

[Auxilism]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

To be fair, Homura was going to break the barrier and save Madoka on her own by becoming a witch, but then Sayaka goes all "I'm Law of Cycles now, we will bring Homura back". [...]

So like, Sayaka ruined her plan so Homura decided to become the Dark Lord instead.

Why? Homura wanted to free Madoka from her own soul gem and Sayaka's action did that, although not as Homura planned. In the end, Madoka is still freed so I don't get why Sayaka is the main cause of Homura turning 'selfish' (or evil, whatever fits). From what I understood, that took place in the barrier of Homura's soul gem and after that its as if nothing changed in the world; only Homura and Madoka know what happened (assuming Madoka remembers).

Unless... Homura doesn't want to see Sayaka (although Sayaka wouldn't know what she did unless told) in the plane that Madoka brings them to because of what happened?

Originally Posted by Hachiko

Spoiler:

Oh... kay?

[Triple_R]

Superman rescues Lex Luthor from certain death because "It's the right thing to do" (i.e. Superman believes in saving human life wherever possible, even the lives of criminals).

Lex Luthor goes on to be elected President of the United States, much to Superman's chagrin.


The Sayaka/Homura situation here in this movie sounds somewhat similar to that. I'll be amused, but also a bit disappointed, if both Sayaka and Homura are oblivious to the irony here. I can assure you that Lex Luthor wouldn't be.

Originally Posted by darkhalo191

Oh... kay?

Now everything makes sense. Homura wants to be "the top", but couldn't be while Madoka was the powerful ascended being. So Homura becomes the dominatrix Dark Lord in order to have things the way she wants them.