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The circumstances behind how Lulu got to his brainwashed state is still unknown. At the very least, Suzaku sold Lulu out to the Emperor. An it's doubtful Suzaku had any idea that the Emperor had a geass at the time so he might have been selling Lelouch out just to obtain his Knight of the Round rank.
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2008-04-13, 09:13 | Link #46 | |
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though I doubt Suzaku had much to do with that part, it'll at least show how much he's aware or unaware of about Lelouch at the moment. |
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2008-04-13, 09:22 | Link #47 | |
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Maybe you're right. Now Suzaku is the Knight of 7: such high position could help him to change something in the world ( IF he still wants it, because after euphie's death he was pretty broken down emotionally ). At least he isn't naïve anymore. |
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2008-04-13, 09:28 | Link #48 | |
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But to him violence is the greater evil because it leads to more violence. (For those that say "then why does he fight"; he fights because he knows he can stop the violence from spiraling out of control if he defeats those that start the violence, which is what law enforcement basically is.) That's why he wants a change from the inside, a method that would basically be less violent than open rebellion. Because like what happened in season 1 to season 2, violent uprisings leads to even more brutal repressions until the "innate" violence has been supressed out of the rebels.
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2008-04-13, 09:35 | Link #49 | |
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He will dode your bullet, kick you in the face, humiliate you in front of your subordinate and your father while man handling you, then sell you off for a higher status. Once your memory's been wiped, he will replace your cute little sister with a shota boy who's actually a teleporting super assasin. And now he's gonna help kill god. |
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2008-04-13, 09:36 | Link #50 |
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Wouldn't discrimination lead to more discrimination as well? And isn't there a chance that the discrimination would lead to more violence?And isn't Suzaku perpetuating violence himself by killing people? You could argue that it's law enforcement but keep in mind he's in the army and not the police force, but the methods the Britainnian army implements at times are way too brutal to be called any form of justice.
My opinion is that the discrimination is the root cause of all the violence in Britainnian areas. Suzaku (in season 1) was merely trying to treat the symptoms without treating the cause, or maybe he couldn't treat it. The way the two chars approach the situation reminds me of this particular analogy. If the violence/unrest/discrimination was like a form of cancer, Lelouch and the OoTBK would be like the surgical option of removing the cancer. Just go in and cut it out if possible. Suzaku is more like the medicinal approach
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Because in Suzaku's mind, Britannia will still defeat the rebels in the end (ALL of the Black Knights thought this way even during episode 18 to 20) and hence, the perpetrated violence is just plain "useless" instead of actually helpful. THAT is Suzaku's justice. And all justice is relative so it would be better not to start any namecalling about what and what is not justice. Quote:
And that's where Suzaku got lucky. He eventually met kind hearted and/or pragmatic Britannians that didn't really care if you are an Eleven. Quote:
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2008-04-13, 10:05 | Link #53 | |
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2008-04-13, 10:08 | Link #54 | |
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Unless you think Europe, which had been holding Brittania back for decades, will lose anyway because "Britannia couldn't be beaten", and they should all just die under Suzaku's sword for his benefit?
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2008-04-13, 10:09 | Link #55 | |
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Does anyone know if Suzaku's aware of the state Area 11's in? I mean it's way worse than the start of R1. |
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2008-04-13, 10:12 | Link #56 | |
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He want Zero dead first, of course. Though it beats me why he let Lulu live the first time. My theory is that his desire to see Britannia conquer the planet in order to justify him killing his father is still there, and it is a stronger desire than avenging Euphie. Hence he want to join the Knights of the Round and help burn the rest of the world to the ground.
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And I was only talking about why Suzaku does enforce the orders as a Britannian soldier on Japan. Europe is NOT Japan. For the Europe part, Suzaku is His Imperial Majesty's Knight. As a soldier, it's his job to mess them up if he wants to keep his position. Quote:
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2008-04-13, 10:17 | Link #59 | |
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Suzaku wants to change the world, using violence to stop the violence. I think Suzaku is more like CB. |
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2008-04-13, 10:22 | Link #60 | |
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If Suzaku want to help change Britannia from the inside, helping Britannia invading other free nations is the completely opposite of what you say he is doing. You can't try to stop a crime while committing the same crimes yourself on someone else. If you say Suzaku is trying to change Britannia's colonist ways, then he is actually walking further away from his goal than when he first started.
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