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for example...it is legal to make backups...for certain things..but not others....but at the same time certain laws say it's illegal to make backups of any kind for any reason...while at the same time..there's a the fair use thing that pretty much says you can make backups of the things you own to protect your investment.... but nothing is made clear...and it probably never will be....but like i said before in this thread...even if there are laws saying you can or can't..it's not gonna stop people from doing it anyway. |
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2004-02-17, 23:35 | Link #22 |
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These things seem confusing at first, but it isn't really when you get down to it. First, emulation itself is technically legal, at least in the United States. This has been decided in court before (VGS and bleem! won their respective cases, for instance); companies do not automatically have the right to force people to buy one product (e.g. a playstation) in order to use a second product (e.g. a game). Putting aside the highly contentious issue of whether an EULA is a legally binding contract or not, one that prohibited you from using third-party hardware or software with a console would probably not be enforcible.
But don't go jumping out to download a PSX emulator quite yet. Emulators are only legal as long as no laws were broken in creating them; most PSX emulators would need a copy of the PSX bios to run, and that's copyrighted. Furthermore, while the DMCA doesn't directly impact your right to make backup copies (and indeed technically protects it), its poorly-worded anticircumvention clauses have effectively eliminated that right in many cases. For example, it's legal for you to make a backup of as SNES cartridge that you legally own; but the copier you'd need to make your perfectly legal backup is classified as a circumvention device. Likewise, I'm allowed to make a copy of Game X (which I just purchased) and play it on my computer, but if Game X contains some sort of copy-protection then I wouldn't be allowed to break it, not even to exercise the fair-use rights that I supposedly have. In effect, the DMCA allows any software or hardware company to write their own laws with regards to their product by including a restriction and claiming that it is intended to reduce illegal piracy; even if you want to break it to do something that you would normally be legally allowed to do (like play your legally-purchased, region-coded DVD on a Linux player), you would still be violating the DMCA. I believe many challenges to the DMCA are still in progress, so this could change. In any case, downloading copyrighted roms, disk images, etc. online is never legal without permission from the original copyright holder. If you just want to play a legally-purchased console game on your PC without violating any copyrights or violating the DMCA's anticircumvention clauses, though, then you're 100% in the clear; in this regard running emulators are more legal then, say, downloading copyrighted anime online without the consent of the copyright holder, which is never legal. Given how difficult it is to use an emulator legally, though, it's not entirely surprising that this site discourages links to them in their forum. (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer! Much of the above may be outdated or just plain wrong. Don't mock meeee!) |
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2004-02-20, 05:30 | Link #26 | |
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Regardless of whether its legal or not, I personally don't think its "wrong" to download ROM images of old games, for outdated systems like SNES, genesis etc.
It's not hurting the industry, since the respective companies no longer profit from those games anymore, so emulation lets people enjoy those old classics that are now hard to get hold of. I certainly don't think its any worse that downloading a fansubbed anime at least. I believe that downloading games that are still in manufacture and are still turning a profit for thier creators is wrong though. Quote:
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