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2014-04-02, 19:13 | Link #1 |
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2014-05-08, 20:33 | Link #6 | ||
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2014-05-08, 21:25 | Link #7 |
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well my take on this one is that Miya was aware that Tatsuya's mental state could be heavily affected by the experiment, she even had anticipated that some if his emotions could be lost forever, yet she still carried out the operation. What unfortunate was that Tatsuya lost all of his (strong) emotion and impulse, saved for 1 slot and thus Miya left the love for his sister intact for Tatsuya. Yeah, pretty much all the things you mentioned
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2014-05-09, 11:23 | Link #8 |
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I think that Maya talk was just to show the readers how dangerous Tatsuya is. He has absolutely no reason to betray the clan.
Miya didn't plan for him to lose his emotions but she purposedly choose to leave him with super brotherly feelings. It's even better explained in vol 4. Without this he would have never cared for her to that extent. |
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2014-05-09, 21:38 | Link #12 | ||
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And the evidence is all in volume 8. She was justifying her actions to Miyuki when she said that she thought it would be favorable for him to love her IF it was possible to leave an emotion. Because, beneath all that facade, Miya loved her children including Tatsuya. You're even shown that the person most connected to Miya: Honami had regretted her whole life but had accepted her position in the family just as how Miya had. I don't think this is a coincidence. There is absolutely no conclusive proof that Miya had control over what emotion to not erase. The sentence you quoted could be interpreted in many different ways. It is the paragraph before which made me lean towards this theory where it stated Quote:
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2014-05-09, 22:42 | Link #13 | |
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Also, She isn't trying to justify anything. She's trying to tell Miyuki to not worry on her behalf because her son does not love her. You have to apply Occam's razor. The most obvious explanation is she left Tatsuya that emotion on purpose because he and Miyuki will be together the longest, and it would tie him to the family. Assuming that which emotion he had left was completely out of her control when the statement on the paper shows that particular emotion is what she wanted him to keep if she had only one option is illogical. It makes sense to you because you like the idea of Tatsuya choosing to hold on to his love to Miyuki. But we already know from Miyuki's perspective they were never close as children. So why would he pick that emotion instead of say hatred for the Yotsuba, since even now we know he begrudges them for what they did to him? |
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2014-05-09, 23:34 | Link #14 | |
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What..... There is no mention about worrying on Miya's behalf at all. Miyuki just wanted to know whether Miya planned for all this to happen and she says that she hadn't. Her "IF" statement is a justification because "if" implies uncertainty, therefore Miya is not completely sure. There is no reason stated as to why Miya is unsure so there is only speculation on that. You can apply occam's razor all you want, with no text that counters against what either you or I are saying, then both theory are still plausible. Occam's razor isn't even about finding the right and accurate theory. It's saying that a simple assumption has as much chance as being true as a complex explanation. I do not deny your explanation so i'm not sure why you're so intent on proving me wrong without direct text from the book to counteract my theory. Also, Miyuki can't even remember anything before Tatsuya became her guardian. It's already been hinted that all those memories have been tampered with. Also, i don't care about the idea that Tatsuya kept his emotion for Miyuki. I don't even know how this ad hominem attack has to do with anything. If you're saying this, i can also make the argument that you only like the idea of Miya keeping this emotion in Tatsuya cause you feel that Tatsuya and Miyuki should be separated because you feel that Tatsuya's feeling is forced and artificial so he has got to break out of "these evil chains". |
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2014-05-10, 00:49 | Link #15 |
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I agree that she left that emotion on purpose to tie him with the clan. And Tatsuya had never been that emotionless before his operation. The plan was to give him a MCA, she didn't plan for him to lose his emotions and thus decided him to make him love Miyuki. Before this operation Miyuki was just a beautiful girl in his eyes, they never interracted normally but she directed his emotions for her in the direction they are now.
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2014-05-10, 00:57 | Link #16 | |
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I don't think Tatsuya would destroy the world with no emotions. Rather, he wouldn't bother do anything. It's the state he's in now that could likely lead to him blowing everything up, if something bad happened to Miyuki. I dismissed your comments on the 2062 incident because you were the one trying to use it as evidence. You didn't even use it correctly, as you were under the impression she took Maya's emotions away, and not the emotions tied to the experiences. Don't expect to present evidence without solid reasoning behind it and not expect people to shoot holes in it. Your reasoning is based on what is not said and what could be. In that case, we could assume that this is all an illusion in Maya's head while she is still being tortured by the Dahan. We have no evidence against this in the text, so therefore it's just as possible as anything else we mention! Tell me, where is it hinted that Miyuki's memories were tampered with? Without any hints of that, the more likely explanation is that they were simply kept separate growing up. As for the claim I attributed on you of him purposefully keeping his emotions, I apologize, that was a somebody else's claim and I wasn't paying attention to who made what claim. My beef isn't that I want their evil chain broken, but for people to actually acknowledge that the entire situation with Tatsuya and Miyuki is messed up, not some "love overcomes everything" idea some people have. If people want to take Lucarion's stance on it, more power to them. |
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2014-05-10, 01:12 | Link #17 | ||
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Personally i think miya didn`t planed for his emotions to be "removed" that's why the the big IF in the statement, but when she realized what had happened he saved those emotions that were related to miyuki maybe because he was his sister or maybe because she feared what he will do to the clan who knows. The plan probably was to tie tatsuya to miyuki by those emotions and miyuki to be a loyal member of the clan, but in 2092 the whole okinawa incident happened and miyuki became very dependent on tatsuya's and we can even say "in love with him" and her priorities shifted towards him and his well being rather the clan. And now because of that tatsuya loyalty is very dependent to what miyuki wants, he is now neutral to the clan because miyuki cooperates with the yotsuba to achieve her goals and as long as that exists tatsuya won't lift a finger against the yotsuba. Hence why maya is doing everything to ensure miyuki will be the next head of the clan, because without that miyuki will have no reason to cooperate with them and neither is tatsuya. Quote:
He even told honoka that he can like her or care about her but only as a friend. As i said above he tolerates the yotsuba because of miyukis involvement with them, and as long as she is cooperating with them so will he. |
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2014-05-10, 01:31 | Link #18 | ||
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I just read my quote and I stated that Maya had her emotions removed from her memories. Not her emotions alone. Except Maya's dream theory can't be interpreted from the text in any way possible unlike the theories that you or I are saying It is hinted at when Miyuki is at the party and tries to remember something Quote:
I knew Mahouka would be a dark, twisted, and messed up story since volume 3 and never expected the series to end happily to begin with so I share Lucarion's opinion |
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2014-05-10, 17:39 | Link #19 | |
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You know what? It just occurred to me that I am going about this argument entirely by the wrong way. Why am I limiting myself to one chapter of one volume when there's other evidence for my theory? I give you Volume 3, chapter 2.
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2014-05-15, 04:56 | Link #20 | |
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My way of viewing the Yotsuba is that of a family torn apart. (I'll spoiler them for an easier read) Spoiler for Miyuki:
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The way the Yotsuba's came very close to being whiped out in their lust for revenge only shows that in the end, they do care for eachother as a family. |
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