[Manga] Naruto Chapter 532 Discussion

[james0246]

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Short spoilers so far.

-More flashbacks from Hanzou and Mifune…

-They talk…

-Hanzou commits suicide (at this point, I would to)…

-Cut to Ino-Shika-Chou VS Asuma.

-Shikamaru creates an opening for Chouji to attack, but as Chouji barrels towards Asuma, he finds himself unable to attack his sensei. Chouji shouts for Asuma to evade.

-chapter ends…?

[naruske]

ohhh choji...he never fails to disappoint...i think im ready to see some big character names die soon

[Fran~]

How funny, Hanzou doing seppuku?

I always found that Chouji was a disgrace for this manga, but i thought that i could be fine with him after Pain's invasion... but now...

[Alchemist007]

Hanzou commits suicide (at this point, I would to)…

My we're all full of humor this morning.

[neshru]

Why exactly is Kabuto letting his zombies suicide? Actually, I wonder why the other zombies that used to be good guys aren't doing the same

[Alchemist007]

It could all be a distraction, I mean what Madara himself wants are the tailed beasts so this could serve as a sufficient distraction at some point.

[mrShady]

Could be really interesting if choji actually died in the next few chapters. He couldn't face his former sensei and because he hesitated he dies. It would be all according to kabuto's plan of using loved ones and it would give a real hard edge to this war.

The rest of the chapter looks like another lame talkfest though.

[Ero-Senn1n]

So if the summoned people can "commit suicide" then Kabuto can't really control them, or can he? Sure there are a lot of these zombies that just find it fun to fight and kill so they will continue this, like Deidara. I wonder what will be stopping Deidara. My guess is that the Tsuchikage's family will make him stop. But if this is true then why would people like Asuma, Itachi and Nagato let themselves be used to kill innocent people? Kabuto's control of the zombies is kind of a plot hole.

[Fran~]

Kabuto said before that he is doing that on purpose, take for instance:
Zabuza's party was well aware of their situation, when Kabuto saw/sensed Kakashi's presence, he just erased that and turning them on as killing machines. Take what happen with Asuma, is more dangerous a little concious than as a killing machine.

[Frenchie]

Suicide shouldn't kill Hanzou unless he somehow seals himself. Or suicide has a more symbolic, ie emotional meaning, and that's really what kills him.

[Ero-Senn1n]

Originally Posted by Fran~

Kabuto said before that he is doing that on purpose, take for instance:
Zabuza's party was well aware of their situation, when Kabuto saw/sensed Kakashi's presence, he just erased that and turning them on as killing machines. Take what happen with Asuma, is more dangerous a little concious than as a killing machine.

That can be an explanation, if Kabuto has erased the mind of a person like he did with the 7 swordsmen then they cannot have free will do disappear, but the others can do it. In that case Kabuto probably has a limit on how many zombies he can directly mind control at the same time.
So those that he cannot mind control can disappear on their free will, which is just good for Kishimoto's plot since he can choose which ninjas will go back to the "pure world" after he finished their stories and which can be used for war. But that does not explain why Asuma didn't disappear. Maybe there's a condition, assuming there is a binding chakra which used to power the zombie (Orochimaru's and Kabuto's) then if it goes below a certain level then the zombie's mind can break free for a moment and then disappear. In that case Shika and his team must fight Asuma until his chakra is reduced to a level at which Asuma can break the binding and disappear.

[Ulquiorra]

Color me shocked there is a spoiler. The next few chapters are already done and waiting to be printed, but you wonder what will happen after that.

Originally Posted by Fran~

I always found that Chouji was a disgrace for this manga, but i thought that i could be fine with him after Pain's invasion... but now...

Choji sucks, but right now he can save this war. The other fights have been boring because we didn't care about the characters and no one was in any real danger. Paint by numbers filler. But Choji is just asking to get seriously injured by being a pansy. His death(which Kishi wouldn't do if he were writing now, but maybe that chapter is already done) would be a major moment and show us why Kabuto so badly wanted these zombies to keep their minds. Hell, even him "almost" dying would be something. I can already picture the twp page spread with Asuma hurting Choji. This is how you use a character like Choji. So far the Konoha 11 have had an easy war.

So at least the Asuma vs. Ino-Shika-Cho has a little tension since Shikamaru will have to fight Asuma and save Fatty Lumpkins from doing something stupid. Don;t know what Ino will do. Shikamaru is the only one capable of fighting Asuma there. I am also curious what Asuma will do. How hard can he fight the control?

I couldn't care less about Mifune and Hanzou, Zombie suicide? Blah. Just a repeat of the Sasori fight. I beat you. My way is better. You lost your way. Talk, talk, talk...puff.

[Hisoka??]

how does Hanzou commit suicide when he will just regenerate? Unless it's some soul sealing suicide move....

Or maybe it's a fake so that they let their guard down

[Ero-Senn1n]

According to the new information Kabuto is pissed and decides to directly control each zombie so that this suicide does not repeat in the future.

[DeDe]

*watches Sasori and Shinn get talked to death*

Kabuto: "Curses! Now I will have take control of the zombies to prevent that from happening again."

*the zombies finally kill a bunch of people*

Kabuto: "Even though they seem a lot more ineffective, I'll still let many of my zombies kept their personalities. You'll see! Psychological warfare!"

*watches Hanzou get taken out in 10 seconds*

Kabuto: "Curses! Now I will have take control of the zombies to prevent that from happening again."

The audience:

Originally Posted by Hisoka??

how does Hanzou commit suicide when he will just regenerate? Unless it's some soul sealing suicide move....

Or maybe it's a fake so that they let their guard down

Hanzou cut open his internal poison bag which gave the ninja with Mifune time to prepare a seal. He basically bound himself.

[Kafriel]

Originally Posted by Frenchie

Suicide shouldn't kill Hanzou unless he somehow seals himself. Or suicide has a more symbolic, ie emotional meaning, and that's really what kills him.

Lots of cheese this week, but yeah, from what I gather he relieves his soul in the old-fashioned suicide way. Who wants to guess how he does it, harakiri or bite his tongue and die? The former would be more samurai-ish though...

Hanzou cut open his internal poison bag which gave the ninja with Mifune time to prepare a seal. He basically bound himself.

Unless this is how it really happened, I have a hard time telling what's real atm

[Kyero Fox]

Originally Posted by naruske

ohhh choji...he never fails to disappoint...i think im ready to see some big character names die soon

Hmmm I wonder who you have on your mind maybe chouji will do his skinny form butterfly thing again... oh do the countless fangirls hope

[Luminion Lancer]

Originally Posted by Ulquiorra

So at least the Asuma vs. Ino-Shika-Cho has a little tension since Shikamaru will have to fight Asuma and save Fatty Lumpkins from doing something stupid. Don;t know what Ino will do. Shikamaru is the only one capable of fighting Asuma there. I am also curious what Asuma will do. How hard can he fight the control?

-Not well I imagine, since it seems the whole "Eraser Personality" that Kabuto implements is inevitable. Regardless of their willpower, it seems like its a losing battle for the zombie. I imagine it something like this (now written for maximum drama milking):
*Choji's stupid mistake ends up costing him in some way*.
*Kabuto implements the Eraser Personality*.
*The trio struggles for a bit*.
*Shikamaru and Choji inevitably decide to hold off Asuma while Ino SnJs her lost sensei's mind*.
*Insert many manly (and girly) tears while Ino is swimming arund in there*.
*Plan works. Asuma gets freed from control and to add to the cherry top, Shikamaru mentions Asuma's kid. Asuma then leaves with a heartfelt good-bye (again) and the war continues*.

[LadyKikyo91]

Poor Chouji. I still like him though. I hope he can really do something during this battle. I'm not counting him out yet.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by Fukitsu Naruto

-Not well I imagine, since it seems the whole "Eraser Personality" that Kabuto implements is inevitable. Regardless of their willpower, it seems like its a losing battle for the zombie. I imagine it something like this (now written for maximum drama milking):
*Choji's stupid mistake ends up costing him in some way*.
*Kabuto implements the Eraser Personality*.
*The trio struggles for a bit*.
*Shikamaru and Choji inevitably decide to hold off Asuma while Ino SnJs her lost sensei's mind*.
*Insert many manly (and girly) tears while Ino is swimming arund in there*.
*Plan works. Asuma gets freed from control and to add to the cherry top, Shikamaru mentions Asuma's kid. Asuma then leaves with a heartfelt good-bye (again) and the war continues*.

God that sounds awful. Here's hoping that Kabuto's recent plan will result in Asuma becoming devoid of emotion in time to kill Chouji or even better Ino.