KanColle - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[orion]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Um, what? All four were scuttled at Midway.

Wiki stated Akagi survived Midway. The only one that sank was Mikuma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...ese_casualties

However, she was skuttled on June 5th as you stated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes..._carrier_Akagi

If Fubuki decides to go to Akagi, then Akagi prob won't sink as Fubuki wasn't with Akagi at the original Midway.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by orion

Wiki stated Akagi survived Midway. The only one that sank was Mikuma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...ese_casualties

Uhm, no. You misunderstood something in there. Just look at the Casualties and Losses row in the box on the top right-hand side of the article.

Originally Posted by orion

If Fubuki decides to go to Akagi, then Akagi prob won't sink as Fubuki wasn't with Akagi at the original Midway.

Neither were Yūdachi, Kongō or Kitakami.

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

Is 'river, river, river' a real message?

The Japanese codeword to indicate that total surprise had been achieved at Pearl Harbor was "tora, tora, tora" (tora meaning tiger). So why not.

[Nvis]

No Midway-hime...

Yamato's "official" debut =

[Ithekro]

That list of casualties is for the people killed. Not the ships.

On June 4th:
Soryu was scuttled first. Followed by Kaga.

The next day (June 5th) Akagi was scuttled, followed four hours later by Hiryu, who had been damaged later the previous day.

Mogami ran into Mikuma after Mikuma's helmsman turned her to evade submarines at too great an angle, causing Mogami, that was behind her, to run into her on the ordered course change. They limped behind the retreating Main Fleet and were subject to attacks form airplanes from Midway and later Hornet and Enterprise. Mikuma's fate was sealed by a fire that set off her own oxygen driven torpedoes. Mikuma sunk onthe 6th of June.

Later on June 6th, I-168 torpedoed the crippled USS Yorktown and the escorting USS Hammann. Hammann broke in two and sank. They tried to save Yorktown once more, but she eventually sank on June 7th, ending the Battle of Midway.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

Uhm, no. You misunderstood something in there. Just look at the Casualties and Losses row in the box on the top right-hand side of the article.

Yep. On further digging, Akagi was prob remembering and mourning what happened to Kaga in her dream at the original battle. So that ship we saw was the original Kaga on fire, right?

[msg]

Does "scuttling" can be considered "death" in a kancolle world? or "comatose"?

Lol i feel kinda cheated that they didn't show Yamato rigging her equipments up.Whats up with that?

It's cool that we got to see Akagi "past live" in her dream.

As for the ships...inb4 someone saves them (especially Akagi)

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by orion

Yep. On further digging, Akagi was prob remembering and mourning what happened to Kaga in her dream at the original battle. So that ship we saw was the original Kaga on fire, right?

No, the ship was Akagi. Recognisable by the ア on the flightdeck (which by the way is also on the flightdeck part Akagi's wearing) and the island that's on the port side.

[orion]

Originally Posted by msg

Does "scuttling" can be considered "death" in a kancolle world? or "comatose"?

Wouldn't that be like euthanasia, mercy killing or "killed by friendly fire"? Is that allowed?

[Ithekro]

The ship on fire...being scuttled? That was Akagi.

Scuttle in naval terms is sunking your own ships. In Kancolle world? Suicide (if self-scuttled like Bismarck) or assisted suicide (to prevent capture I guess. Or because they are actually too heavy to two back to base with the enemy still around. Best to sink them rather than get three or four others sunl as well trying to rescue her, right?).

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by msg

Does "scuttling" can be considered "death" in a kancolle world? or "comatose"?

Considering it is also Akagi's line when she sinks, it is definitely as good as being sunk by the enemy.

Lol i feel kinda cheated that they didn't show Yamato rigging her equipments up.Whats up with that?

Several of us felt that way as well. I would like that scene to be there in the BD but I don't expect much considering the overall production value of the series as of late.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

No, the ship was Akagi. Recognisable by the ア on the flightdeck (which by the way is also on the flightdeck part Akagi's wearing) and the island that's on the port side.

Okay, so we saw original Akagi sinking while mourning how she couldn't protect Kaga?

[Ithekro]

Because she couldn't. Kaga was sunk first of the two. Here you see Akagi trying to tow Kaga only to get bombed. Kaga is nowhere to be seen when Akagi asks to be scuttled. She couldn't protect Kaga, and Akagi burned for hours. She was done, but needed help to sink. Poor Miakaze has to "do the honors".

The hope is that Fubuki will not have to "do the honors" in Miakaze's place.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by orion

Okay, so we saw original Akagi sinking while mourning how she couldn't protect Kaga?

Her dream was what it was a dream.
Nothing that should be taken too serious.

Her mind basically replaced all the ships with their current image and went back to 'oh wait... we were not always humanoid' at the latter part, remembering how she used to look like.

[Nvis]

I don't understand why she asks to be scuttled. Not like the Abyssal would capture her anyways.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Nvis

I don't understand why she asks to be scuttled. Not like Abyssal would capture her anyways.

It is plainly Akagi overlapping kanmusu with events that actually occured.

And... no, I don't think there is any confirmation they can't be captured, and we know from the game that Kanmusu can be corrupted, so better be scuttled then being seized by the enemy anyway.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Several of us felt that way as well. I would like that scene to be there in the BD but I don't expect much considering the overall production value of the series as of late.

Indeed. I went from "do we get to see a launching sequence?" to "oh, so they are going out without it" to "is this a Yamato launching sequence?!?" to "uhm, where was the equipment part?".

All in all the budget and time allocation is far from perfect and it shows in the animation. My personal highlight of this episode, Wo's face here:

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[James Rye]

Originally Posted by orion

Okay, so we saw original Akagi sinking while mourning how she couldn't protect Kaga?

Probably. First thing Akagi did was looking if Kaga was still sleeping at her side when she woke up, so it could be a hint that she wanted to protect Kaga/keep Kaga alive in her dream.
If they really let Akagi die/sink next episode while Kaga survives (that desperate arm reach, look at her eyes, look at those eyes full of fear of losing AkagI!) and another season get announced, then I so cannot wait to see how Kaga will change with the loss of Akagi!
If that happens that is. Kaga could still get sunk next episode.....

Originally Posted by Nvis

I don't understand why she asks to be scuttled. Not like the Abyssal would capture her anyways.

Historical seen it was a japanese honor thing, not becoming a POW no matter what. But for the shipgirls here, it could be very likely that Abyssals might be able to capture them. Remember that huge destroyer who tried to "eat" Fubuki? Maybe that was an attempt to get a shipgirl into their ranks. If Akagi gets sunk she might become the "Midway Hime" for another season where Fubuki and the others have to sink their former friend.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by James Rye

Historical seen it was a japanese honor thing, not becoming a POW no matter what.

This doesn't have something to do with the Japanese mentality. They were not the only ones who did scuttle their crippled ships. Bismarck for example was scuttled by her crew, as was USS Lexington at Coral Sea. If your ship is unable to make it back to port it's better to sink her yourself, rather than risk the enemy capture her and potentially get something out of it.

[Ithekro]

The Americans attempted to scuttle USS Hornet to prevent capture. They failed. The Japanese took her on tow, but later scuttled her to prevent the Americans from retaking her.

As for the episode, what if the reason for Yamato's delay is Nagato and Mutsu deciding to join in at the last minute?

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

It is plainly Akagi overlapping kanmusu with events that actually occured.

And... no, I don't think there is any confirmation they can't be captured, and we know from the game that Kanmusu can be corrupted, so better be scuttled then being seized by the enemy anyway.

Was that an old event story line or are you referring to the princesses/demons?