Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen - Game Discussion

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by yoshimori12

Spoiler for ???:

wait, what the meaning of this "and unlike the anime they didn't stop Yamato to retreat"? i still dont get it.

benawi know the emperor will die? is the information come from karula and touka?

well, im not suprise about romance haku and kuon. since the first game eruruu suddenly fallen in love with hakuoro .

so in the end of game, nothing hint show up about yamato resume their invasion to tuskuru?


oh sorry, this one not yet answer: "one more, why kuon help yamato invade tuskuru. she said that she the only one can end the war? how she end the war? "

nah, cant wait for english version.

Spoiler:

In the anime, they had a big battle on the beach where Tuskuru hunted down Yamato as they were retreating. That didn't happen in the game.
In the game, Haku's gang returned to the camp where only Munechika was and was told that all of Yamato's forces had gone back to Yamato.
So Haku's gang left with only Munechika staying in the camp and Haku's gang had no problem getting back to the capital (except for that zombie attack which it's unlikely that Tuskuru had something to do with).

It's only implied that Benawi knew, and it's not known how he knew it. It would probably be from Karura and Touka but nothing is said about it.

It's unlikely that Yamato has the opportunity to Invade Tuskuru.
The upper command is in chaos, the princess have been kidnapped, and lot's of conspiracies seems to have begun.
They also have no real reason either unless they want to fulfill the Emperor's last will.

I believe that line is anime original unless I'm forgetting something.
Kuon didn't want to end the war, she was with Haku's gang to keep them alive for them to finish their mission and then go back safety to Yamato after they were done.
Kuon was conflicted over fighting her home country, and in her eyes Tuskur won't lose to Yamato. So if she didn't go with them, Haku's gang would likely be killed.
While Haku's gang did take part in the war, they only had one role, and that was to deliver supplies and take back the supplies that Tuskuru had stolen.

[yoshimori12]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

Spoiler:

In the anime, they had a big battle on the beach where Tuskuru hunted down Yamato as they were retreating. That didn't happen in the game.
In the game, Haku's gang returned to the camp where only Munechika was and was told that all of Yamato's forces had gone back to Yamato.
So Haku's gang left with only Munechika staying in the camp and Haku's gang had no problem getting back to the capital (except for that zombie attack which it's unlikely that Tuskuru had something to do with).

It's only implied that Benawi knew, and it's not known how he knew it. It would probably be from Karura and Touka but nothing is said about it.

It's unlikely that Yamato has the opportunity to Invade Tuskuru.
The upper command is in chaos, the princess have been kidnapped, and lot's of conspiracies seems to have begun.
They also have no real reason either unless they want to fulfill the Emperor's last will.

I believe that line is anime original unless I'm forgetting something.
Kuon didn't want to end the war, she was with Haku's gang to keep them alive for them to finish their mission and then go back safety to Yamato after they were done.
Kuon was conflicted over fighting her home country, and in her eyes Tuskur won't lose to Yamato. So if she didn't go with them, Haku's gang would likely be killed.
While Haku's gang did take part in the war, they only had one role, and that was to deliver supplies and take back the supplies that Tuskuru had stolen.

Spoiler for ???:

zombie? like in anime season 1?
so basicly, yamato have rough time because tuskuru zombie army? or what?
well im only watch anime, and in anime never mentioned about zombie or whatever. the only thing is, benawi is superior both in strengh and stamina from munechika.


hmm... naruhoto,
since in the anime never mentioned how kuon ended the war, so im really confused.


btw why kuon give him name 'haku', so far i understand, she even didnt know her real name father.

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by yoshimori12

Spoiler for ???:

zombie? like in anime season 1?
so basicly, yamato have rough time because tuskuru zombie army? or what?
well im only watch anime, and in anime never mentioned about zombie or whatever. the only thing is, benawi is superior both in strengh and stamina from munechika.


hmm... naruhoto,
since in the anime never mentioned how kuon ended the war, so im really confused.


btw why kuon give him name 'haku', so far i understand, she even didnt know her real name father.

Spoiler:

Not really like the zombies in first season, but what seems to be real reanimated corpses, that turn into a monster when defeated, and when that monster is defeated it turns into what seems to be a pile of salt.


And Yamato didn't have a though time against them, it seems like only Haku fought them, and it's likely that it was the assassin who sent them.

Kuon should know about Hakuoro is her real father. She holds high regards to that name, and she had his fan has a charm that she lent(she didn't give it, she told Haku to give it back later) to Haku for the time being.

[yoshimori12]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

Spoiler:

Not really like the zombies in first season, but what seems to be real reanimated corpses, that turn into a monster when defeated, and when that monster is defeated it turns into what seems to be a pile of salt.


And Yamato didn't have a though time against them, it seems like only Haku fought them, and it's likely that it was the assassin who sent them.

Kuon should know about Hakuoro is her real father. She holds high regards to that name, and she had his fan has a charm that she lent(she didn't give it, she told Haku to give it back later) to Haku for the time being.

Spoiler:

i see...

sorry last question

in anime before haku's group escape, kurou says " so he is, ojou". i know this reference to haku, i dont know what that mean. is that mean haku is chosen become kuon's lover? or what?
maybe the game have some hint that more clear? since in anime too many question regards their condition.

well thanks for time...
i really glad and can sleep in sweet dream without holding so much question in anime

[Azurial]

Kurou probably mistaken that Haku might be reincarnation of Hakuoro that why he said "so that's him, ojou" maybe .......

as a lover could be since she in "love" with Haku. all we can do now is wait until the 3rd game for more info

i can sense alot of strong fighter in E'nakamui judging by Oshutoru since he is really strong in fighting i HOPE Haku did do some training there me want to see some more of Haku fight capability
with a katana or a sword the fan is awesome too but he wont be using it anymore :/ --sign--

[yoshimori12]

Originally Posted by Azurial

Kurou probably mistaken that Haku might be reincarnation of Hakuoro that why he said "so that's him, ojou" maybe .......

as a lover could be since she in "love" with Haku. all we can do now is wait until the 3rd game for more info

i can sense alot of strong fighter in E'nakamui judging by Oshutoru since he is really strong in fighting i HOPE Haku did do some training there me want to see some more of Haku fight capability
with a katana or a sword the fan is awesome too but he wont be using it anymore :/ --sign--

well, that why i asking the person who already finished the game
its really imposible reincarnation. i bet Kurou already understand that.

[KerrBlank]

Originally Posted by yoshimori12

Spoiler:

i see...

sorry last question

in anime before haku's group escape, kurou says " so he is, ojou". i know this reference to haku, i dont know what that mean. is that mean haku is chosen become kuon's lover? or what?
maybe the game have some hint that more clear? since in anime too many question regards their condition.

I think Kurou thought that Kuon and Haku have some romantic relationship so he said "Is he the one" referring to maybe if he's the one she wants to marry.

[KerrBlank]

I wonder if Haku can use Akuruka in FnH, and also what if Haku, a human can use akuruka to its full extent?

[Tong]

Originally Posted by KerrBlank

I wonder if Haku can use Akuruka in FnH, and also what if Haku, a human can use akuruka to its full extent?

Do you mean the mask? Probably not, since they're immitations of the original fossil/Iceman mask.

[erneiz_hyde]

I don't get why not? Haku got Oshutoru's actual mask and the danger comes from being whether or not he has the mental capacity to control it. Besides Haku's no longer entirely human and likely to live very long like the Emperor.

[yoshimori12]

Originally Posted by Tong

Do you mean the mask? Probably not, since they're immitations of the original fossil/Iceman mask.

Originally Posted by erneiz_hyde

I don't get why not? Haku got Oshutoru's actual mask and the danger comes from being whether or not he has the mental capacity to control it. Besides Haku's no longer entirely human and likely to live very long like the Emperor.

in anime episode 15, there some explanation about the mask.

only the person that chosen by THE EMPEROR and THE MASK

so there 2 variable need to complete before the full power of mask come out.

and since haku doesnt have much stamina, i think is out of question if haku can use the mask.

by now, i more curious about upcoming war. are yamato continue they invasion or tuskuru invade yamato first? since their emperor passed away, its mean invasion to tuskuru is "death message".




really miss eruruu

[erneiz_hyde]

Chosen by the Emperor probably means granted the mask in the first place, while chosen by the mask is likely more about whether the wearer can withstand the mental stress. I don't remember seeing any instance the mask has will of their own.

Yeah maybe he won't be able to use it initially for reasons but I'm pretty sure he will eventually.

[LROlsson]

Suppousedly there was a new CM for Futari on this weeks episode also, but I wasn't able to see it.
Haku and Hakuoro was narrating it.



Argh, I want to see it. Please aquaplus, upload it.

[Haigi]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

Looks like the four Akuruturuka in the corners and Hakouro in the middle. So..we're gonna see Munechika and Mikazuchi transform too? I'm curious if Haku can bear the burden of the power. There might be a reason why his brother doesn't use it.

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Haigi

Looks like the four Akuruturuka in the corners and Hakouro in the middle. So..we're gonna see Munechika and Mikazuchi transform too? I'm curious if Haku can bear the burden of the power. There might be a reason why his brother doesn't use it.

Yeah, it looks like it's the four akuruturuka, to the upper right is Vurai, and the shape of the head to the lower left is Oshutrou/Haku(?).
To the upper left looks like it could be Munechika due to the hammer head like fists, which would mean that the lower right would be Mikazuchi.

[MeanMachine]

Okay, so, been brain storming ever since I’ve seen the bits from the new CM, and I’ve come up with a theory for the endgame of the third game. Going to break it down into a few points.

-The mural picture from the CM seems to represent a fight between Witsu and the four transformed Akuruturuka, who may or may not actually be working together. If Witsu wakes up and looks for a fight with them, I do think they would end up teaming up to him down.

-The four mask are each based upon one of the four elements that the magic in the world is based upon, and if I remember correctly, Witsu can control each of them. I would buy that, by using the four elements on him at once, they may very well be able to defeat him. And if that is the case, I don’t think this is just by luck.

-By that I mean that Haku’s brother, the Mikado, may have devised a plan for restoring humanity by destroying Witsu (it may or may not actually work)

-And that may just be the end that Witsu would wish for. We know that’s what he wanted after the shit hit the fan in the lab, so he may still long for it. And this could explain the motivation behind Dii’s half of Witsu’s actions, in that he says he wanted his “children” to push themselves, to become stronger. But why? I think it’s so that they’d be able to kill him one day. And going with that, the Akuruturuka could be considered the realization of that goal, so the two halves of Witsu could reconcile, refuse, and go out with a bang. Like, literally. It’d be the mother of all god-monster battles. But I digress.

I think an end like that would sort of be logical, and in keeping with Utawarerumono’s trend of tragic endings.

What do you guys think?

[Hiro Hayase]

Originally Posted by MeanMachine

Okay, so, been brain storming ever since I’ve seen the bits from the new CM, and I’ve come up with a theory for the endgame of the third game. Going to break it down into a few points.

-The mural picture from the CM seems to represent a fight between Witsu and the four transformed Akuruturuka, who may or may not actually be working together. If Witsu wakes up and looks for a fight with them, I do think they would end up teaming up to him down.

-The four mask are each based upon one of the four elements that the magic in the world is based upon, and if I remember correctly, Witsu can control each of them. I would buy that, by using the four elements on him at once, they may very well be able to defeat him. And if that is the case, I don’t think this is just by luck.

-By that I mean that Haku’s brother, the Mikado, may have devised a plan for restoring humanity by destroying Witsu (it may or may not actually work)

-And that may just be the end that Witsu would wish for. We know that’s what he wanted after the shit hit the fan in the lab, so he may still long for it. And this could explain the motivation behind Dii’s half of Witsu’s actions, in that he says he wanted his “children” to push themselves, to become stronger. But why? I think it’s so that they’d be able to kill him one day. And going with that, the Akuruturuka could be considered the realization of that goal, so the two halves of Witsu could reconcile, refuse, and go out with a bang. Like, literally. It’d be the mother of all god-monster battles. But I digress.

I think an end like that would sort of be logical, and in keeping with Utawarerumono’s trend of tragic endings.

What do you guys think?

I did think about this theory at some point, but I discarded it because even if Witsu dies, there will still be Kuon and her bloodline, and its not certain if those fake masks will stop working after his death. I didn't think Itsuwari no Kamen was as depressing as the previous work, but it was interesting seeing humanity's destruction from another view.

I thought Haku's goal is to stabilize Yamato and return those slime's back into humans.

Lately when I look at these masked forms, I think of the Heroic Tribe from Heroic Age now.

[MeanMachine]

Originally Posted by Hiro Hayase

I did think about this theory at some point, but I discarded it because even if Witsu dies, there will still be Kuon and her bloodline, and its not certain if those fake masks will stop working after his death. I didn't think Itsuwari no Kamen was as depressing as the previous work, but it was interesting seeing humanity's destruction from another view.

I thought Haku's goal is to stabilize Yamato and return those slime's back into humans.

Lately when I look at these masked forms, I think of the Heroic Tribe from Heroic Age now.

I get the impression that Kuon powers come directly from Witsu, like she's channeling it. Could be wrong. No telling if she'd even still have the powers if Witsu wakes up. Don't know enough to make a clear call on it in any case.

And what ever Haku's goals are, things will surely happen that will be out of his control. Like whoever created the zombies/onis out of the Uzurusha's dead for starters. And any number of things could cause Witsu to wake up, who could offer to give/help with what Haku wants in exchange for something that HE wants.

And yeah, they also remind me of the big guys from Heroic Age,

[yoshimori12]

didnt someone forget, hakuoro have ability to ressurection the dead?
i assume that the emperor didnt know real power hakuoro

since their data only got from hacking computer

[MeanMachine]

Originally Posted by yoshimori12

didnt someone forget, hakuoro have ability to ressurection the dead?
i assume that the emperor didnt know real power hakuoro

since their data only got from hacking computer

Yeah, but we don't know how far that can go. What we DO know is that he can bring back someones who has been killed very recently.

And the four masks could also be an attempt by the emperor to recreate the source of the "curse" so that he can reverse it or something.