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View Poll Results: Macross Delta - Episode 20 Rating
Perfect 10 1 3.45%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 8 27.59%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 3 10.34%
7 out of 10 : Good 8 27.59%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 6.90%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 5 17.24%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 6.90%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2016-08-14, 00:16   Link #1
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Old 2016-08-14, 08:59   Link #2
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Wait, what? Why can't Reina, Makina and Kaname visit Mikumo on the hospital ship? Who is forbidding this? Arad? Honest Johnson?
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Wait, what? Why can't Reina, Makina and Kaname visit Mikumo on the hospital ship? Who is forbidding this? Arad? Honest Johnson?
That's one big question.

Possibly Arad, somebody probably knows every single thing about Mikumo and refuses the other Walkure members to get involved until she is back to normal.

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Old 2016-08-14, 11:45   Link #10
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That scene with Mikumo smiling in the end when Kaname found her was so heartbreaking for me.
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Old 2016-08-14, 12:52   Link #11
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I don't think Arad knows anything since he's the one who asked if there was any news on her (and Hayate's) condition in episode 19.
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Old 2016-08-14, 13:25   Link #12
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That's cute of Hayate and Freyja that they were willing to quit what they truly love to make the other person happy. Also, I'm starting to like Mirage a lot more. It was nice of her to help them get together rather than have jealousy get the better of her.
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Old 2016-08-14, 13:52   Link #13
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Another slow episode with barely anything of importance happening, so far I'm disappointed with this second cour, the pacing is really bad, we go from backstory to exposition to some character backstory almost every episode, couldn't they have mixed it a little bit? this episode and the last one could be combined into just one and it would have been the same result.

The funny thing is that the story is good, it's interesting but the pacing holds it back taking into account what is happening, Windermere conquered the whole globular cluster, declared war on the whole galaxy and destroyed the local NUNS Fleet, and yet Xaos did nothing for weeks until they liberated Voldor (by accident I might add) and NUNS is doing nothing.
But ok, let's say that NUNS and Xaos are planning or taking their time, what about windermere then? they got more ships and drakens, shouldn't we see them trying to attack other colonized planets outside of the cluster by now? I mean if they are serious about taking over the galaxy.

I don't know, did they spend most of the budget for the series in the first cour? the other option (and the one I hope it's the case) is that they are saving part of their budget for the 3 or 4 final episodes so they can go all out, but even so that shouldn't have anything to do with the atrocious pace.

Now about the episode itself, I was starting to get irritated with Hayate and Freyja's discussion with the "I'll quit flying" and "no, I'll quit singing" so it was great when Mirage intervened, that and the scene with the girls trying to reach Mikumo are the only things I liked, the windermerean side of the plot is advancing at a snail pace so I think we'll see Keith and perhaps Herman and Cassim defecting by episode 23, maybe.
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Now about the episode itself, I was starting to get irritated with Hayate and Freyja's discussion with the "I'll quit flying" and "no, I'll quit singing" so it was great when Mirage intervened, that and the scene with the girls trying to reach Mikumo are the only things I liked, the windermerean side of the plot is advancing at a snail pace so I think we'll see Keith and perhaps Herman and Cassim defecting by episode 23, maybe.
I'm waiting for subs but...from what I've seen so far this is how I kinda feel. I understand their sentiments if Messer was still alive, but they are literally the only reason they're hanging on in the fights. Just what exactly do they think they'll achieve if either of them quits?

Also this is actually maybe the first time I legitimately felt bad for Mirage within the context of the show. The idea that these two selfish brats are the closest people she has really frustrates me...

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I don't think Arad knows anything since he's the one who asked if there was any news on her (and Hayate's) condition in episode 19.
But Arad made an interesting statement in episode 18.

Arad: The bigger an organization the more secret it hides.
Kaname: Does that go for you too?
Arad: Every rug has a few secrets swept under them. Well, that's just life.

The closest to Lady M are Ernest and Arad. So I believe they are well aware about Mikumo. I'd bet he holds info back and he knows more than we believe. My opinion on Arad (and Ernest).

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That's cute of Hayate and Freyja that they were willing to quit what they truly love to make the other person happy. Also, I'm starting to like Mirage a lot more. It was nice of her to help them get together rather than have jealousy get the better of her.
What she doing in this episode pretty much telling her "angry" looks from previous episodes was nothing to do with jealousy.
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What she doing in this episode pretty much telling her "angry" looks from previous episodes was nothing to do with jealousy.
I guess I said it incorrectly. What I meant is that she didn't let her feelings stop her from helping those two be in better term.
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I have mixed feelings with this episode. I did enjoy it, but there are a couple of problematic points with the execution.

I enjoyed the following:

- Kaname, Makina and Reina breaking in Chaos ship to rescue Mikumo.
- How the Windermerian side plots are advancing somewhere (and the twins might have a sliver of characterization to distinguish them from Bogue?!). While I was more emotionally satisfied with the one above, I think this one is better executed part of the episode.

Hayate's and Freyja's reactions were very predictable. They need some time to sort out what is happening after the information last episode. However what I plainly dislike or have issues with execution:

- Mirage and the triangle again.
- Mikumo rescue mission. Now I like the idea, but it seemed a little badly organized. Why didn't Reina and Makina trusted Freyja and Kaname with it since the beginning? They are a team. Kaname stumbled upon them accidentally. I wish she had come up with it too, because she's the leader. Though I forgive them for the last scene between them. Why didn't they enlisted Chuck, for example? They are friends, aren't they? It seems that Chaos is also falling apart internally, not just Windermere.

Let's go to the Mirage part. Not touching the horrible romance stuff which I never liked in any equation.

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I guess I said it incorrectly. What I meant is that she didn't let her feelings stop her from helping those two be in better term.
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I think the break in without informing the others like Chuck, Freyja or Kaname was less about trust and more about not wanting to drag everyone else into trouble, they knew they were going to face punishment for what they were planning. In particular Freyja's case after all with what happened to Hayate and the fact that she's Windermerian, I doubt HQ's completely trusts her (despite the fans fading disbelief of her being a spy, I doubt HQ isn't at least weary about it especially after Roid's declaration) and if she were to be caught breaking into a high security place to reach a person they are quite obviously very defensive of she would definitely face the heaviest punishment (not to mention it would give them a golden opportunity to study her and her rune/ability.
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I think the break in without informing the others like Chuck, Freyja or Kaname was less about trust and more about not wanting to drag everyone else into trouble, they knew they were going to face punishment for what they were planning. In particular Freyja's case after all with what happened to Hayate and the fact that she's Windermerian, I doubt HQ's completely trusts her (despite the fans fading disbelief of her being a spy, I doubt HQ isn't at least weary about it especially after Roid's declaration) and if she were to be caught breaking into a high security place to reach a person they are quite obviously very defensive of she would definitely face the heaviest punishment (not to mention it would give them a golden opportunity to study her and her rune/ability.
I suppose you're right about Freyja, but what about Chuck or Kaname? I still would have liked to see Kaname come up with this idea because she's the closest thing Mikumo has as best friend.
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