Archer - discuss Ep. 14 hints

[kj1980]

Rareness is indeed as few characters in anime can create as much discussion in the coolness and mystery of this muscular, dark-skinned, yet sexy person.

Some may say that his identity was revealed in this episode. Others may say that it was not explicitly so - that only subtle hints were laid out. In either case, clues are revealed in this episode which indirectly leads to the answer of his true identity.

I'm going to leave this thread open. If this thread goes down the waste hole into trolling and member bashing, this thread will be closed.

Otherwise - let's see how this thread can "mature." EMPHASIS ON MATURE.

[Nightengale]

The whole hints/fore-shadowing is a subject of oddity. It doesn't apply similarly to everyone, as everyone has their own way of percieving stuff. Take Mai-Hime for example, as a rabid fan of G.E.A.R Dendoh, I knew where the inspiration for Mai, Natsuki and Natsuki's child came from. C-Drive and White Lion Drive. But not everyone knows of it. Same goes to Sarah Gallargah of Otome.

The whole Archer/gem thing. A lot say that it automatically points to *insert name of thought*, but it can't always be interpreted as such. Those who look closer to details can argue that [

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Shirou's body never absorbed the gem and simply it's magical powers, and that it's not likely that Shirou is Archer but rather related. Those who are less skeptical about details will just point out stuff like Shirou and Rin's dad.

The game players know more detail about the hero's realm differing from timelines, but anime watchers don't know about it. They may not imagine the possibility that

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heroes summoned may be one from the future, be it a gun weilding archer or even a lightsaber weilding Saber.

Take myself for example. Had I not played the game. And had not they point out all those flashbacks, I would've assumed a few possibilities for Archer.

1. Shirou's dad.
2. Rin's dad.

[MakubeX2]

The only explicit way to resolve who Archer really was is to get

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Shirou to do his chants and initilate UBW on his own

[Tekkaman Zero]

Archer is the Chuck Norris of Fate/saty night

about his identity:

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[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Tekkaman Zero

about his identity:

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Shouldn't he be donning military uniform with a sniper at his post-teenage years?

[Kasz]

Well from what the anime showed us the first thing that came to my mind was that he was Rin's dad. After I watched it again and paid more attention to the words he was saying it came to me he could be Shirou. So it may not be exactly clear cut but it's not that hidden either, a good twist I must say though. Well that's who I think he is :P

[RedFrame]

The other clues that i gues not everyone realize is ...

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something that will ony lead us to shirou --->
Archer calling ilya so formally( like someone he already well known) that even makes ilya herseft surprised..

[Sorrow-K]

Ahaha my incessant bitching got a new thread made.

Anyway, I really had no idea who it was, but among my speculations were Shirou's father....

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which was about as close as I got.

But I never for a moment could have imagined that he was a

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time paradox.

It's a good twist, and I really regret having it spoiled... but I'd best not get hung up on it, since that's not what this thread is about.

[Shiroth]

There's isn't a time pardox here, servants have been brought all over from the past & future.

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Say if Archer killed Shirou, nothing would happen to Archer.

[kamikazex]

Originally Posted by Sorrow-K

Ahaha my incessant bitching got a new thread made.

Anyway, I really had no idea who it was, but among my speculations were Shirou's father....

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which was about as close as I got.

But I never for a moment could have imagined that he was a

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time paradox.

It's a good twist, and I really regret having it spoiled... but I'd best not get hung up on it, since that's not what this thread is about.

damn dood..
pretty much the same as you
first thing that came to my mind was..it must be shirou's dad

i wanted to know pretty bad so i pretty much just spoiled it for myself
i really regret having it spoiled it lol
but this series will still kick ass

[PastPrime]

Just a thought on Archer's motivation.

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Perhaps he came back with the intention of changing the outcome. I can imagine Shirou losing in the war and losing the person or persons most important to him, perhaps with Illya making him her servant until he gained his powers. Archer's purpose was to protect Rin and to guide Shirou until he had the power to protect Rin. To make him realise that you can't save everyone, but you have to save those important to you.

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by PastPrime

Just a thought on Archer's motivation.

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Perhaps he came back with the intention of changing the outcome. I can imagine Shirou losing in the war and losing the person or persons most important to him, perhaps with Illya making him her servant until he gained his powers. Archer's purpose was to protect Rin and to guide Shirou until he had the power to protect Rin. To make him realise that you can't save everyone, but you have to save those important to you.

Truth is :-

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He had willingly become a Servant to the Grail in hope that he can live up to his ideals with the powers that Servants have.

But before long, he found out that reality sucks and most of the Masters he had serve does not share his visons and he had to obey the dirtiest of orders. Soon after, he regrets his decison to become a Servant and waited for a chance to get summoned by Rin to set things right by killing Shirou in a attempt to erase his own existence, which is evident in UBW path of the game. Since Servants and humans live in a alternate reality, there isn't any proof about whether such efforts will bear fruitations. But Archer is willing to take even the slightest chance at it, such is how he loath his own exsitence as a Servant.

[Freakman]

Makubex : you may want to label that as "Complete game spoiler" ?

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Truth is :-

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He had willingly become a Servant to the Grail in hope that he can live up to his ideals with the powers that Servants have.

But before long, he found out that reality sucks and most of the Masters he had serve does not share his visons and he had to obey the dirtiest of orders. Soon after, he regrets his decison to become a Servant and waited for a chance to get summoned by Rin to set things right by killing Shirou in a attempt to erase his own existence, which is evident in UBW path of the game. Since Servants and humans live in a alternate reality, there isn't any proof about whether such efforts will bear fruitations. But Archer is willing to take even the slightest chance at it, such is how he loath his own exsitence as a Servant.

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Archer also realised in UBW that killing Shirou wouldn't make any difference, because the Shirou from UBW would not lead to Archer. Archer just wanted to spare Shirou the pain and regret he will face if he continued walking the same path that he did.

But Shirou in UBW knew and understood fully well what the reality he had chosen might lead to, but he has accepted it, because it is what he believes in.

They are different people.

[studiocode]

I'm wondering if Archer's sacrifice will go unacknowledged now...

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I just so badly want Rin to realize that she summoned Shirou. I also want Saber to realize that Shirou becomes Archer so that way she will acknowledge his potential. However, nobody saw his moves or knows his name it's pretty much impossible for any of them to ever discover his identity. Rin, Shirou, and Saber will never know the tough life Archer chose and the reality of his sacrifices for them.

Servants are individuals who were ultra powerful/legendary heroes in real life, right? Does this mean that some time during Shirou's life he will become as powerful as his servant version? Or does he become the kick ass ultra cool hero we all love AFTER he becomes a servant? Because the only way anybody will connect Shirou to Archer is if he does one of Archer's moves in front of Ilya and she spills the beans. God, I'm so praying for this to happen...

Would Ilya have killed Archer if she knew who he was? (If there's a deeper relationship between Ilya and Shirou that hasn't been revealed yet plz spoiler tag any answer to this question and I'll go back and read it later)

[Bloodseeker]

http://fullmetal-archer.com/

[primalmx]

Originally Posted by studiocode

I'm wondering if Archer's sacrifice will go unacknowledged now...

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I just so badly want Rin to realize that she summoned Shirou. I also want Saber to realize that Shirou becomes Archer so that way she will acknowledge his potential. However, nobody saw his moves or knows his name it's pretty much impossible for any of them to ever discover his identity. Rin, Shirou, and Saber will never know the tough life Archer chose and the reality of his sacrifices for them.

Servants are individuals who were ultra powerful/legendary heroes in real life, right? Does this mean that some time during Shirou's life he will become as powerful as his servant version? Or does he become the kick ass ultra cool hero we all love AFTER he becomes a servant? Because the only way anybody will connect Shirou to Archer is if he does one of Archer's moves in front of Ilya and she spills the beans. God, I'm so praying for this to happen...

Would Ilya have killed Archer if she knew who he was? (If there's a deeper relationship between Ilya and Shirou that hasn't been revealed yet plz spoiler tag any answer to this question and I'll go back and read it later)

I don't this his sacrifice will go unknowledged.... actually part of me has a sneaking suspicion that Rin knew Archer's identity....

~prime

[Ishun]

I'm a bit mad on myself for not finding out Archer's identity. >_>
I was trying to figure it out without reading the spoilers, tried to follow Js2756 tips:

So since some people are still having problems figuring out Archer's identity, here are some clues:

1) Refers to our lovable loli as "Ilya"
2) Can image items
3) Leaves behind a significant item after being killed (if you really want to find out who Archer is, watch the ending credits of this episode, then episode 2 again)
4) Knows a lot about Shirou and his powers, yet his total interaction with Shirou is limited to a few conversations

It isn't too hard to figure out Archer's identity when you put all the pieces of the puzzle together.

I saw ep 14 twice, then went back to ep 2 to find out more about the pendant but only watched the begining (which led me to think of Rin's father) and didn't watch the most important part, that was Rin ressurrecting Shirou with the help of the pendant. Maybe if I had watched it all I'd have figure it out. XD

[gammaoh]

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I do think that Archer wouldn't have been able to kill Shirou in UBW even if he wanted to

Why? Because the simple fact that Archer exists means that he had already lost the fight. Because winning it would mean some kind of a non-existence, which is intelligently mentionned here as a time paradox.

If you could travel back to the past. And kill yourself, would you succeed?

The fact that you managed to kill yourself means you've lived up to the age during which you decided the killing. But if you've managed to do the killing, you wouldn't have lived up to that point and decided to do it. Hence the fact that you can't have killed yourself...

Did anyone get what I meant?

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by gammaoh

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I do think that Archer wouldn't have been able to kill Shirou in UBW even if he wanted to

Why? Because the simple fact that Archer exists means that he had already lost the fight. Because winning it would mean some kind of a non-existence, which is intelligently mentionned here as a time paradox.

If you could travel back to the past. And kill yourself, would you succeed?

The fact that you managed to kill yourself means you've lived up to the age during which you decided the killing. But if you've managed to do the killing, you wouldn't have lived up to that point and decided to do it. Hence the fact that you can't have killed yourself...

Did anyone get what I meant?

Spoiler for UBW spoilers:

In UBW, Archer could have killed Shirou and he would still have remained a Heroic Spirit, because the Shirou in UBW would not have led to the creation of Archer, they became different people.

The Shirou that would led to the creation of Archer is either from the Fate scenerio, or another alternate timeline.