Re:Zero - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[Traece]

Originally Posted by Loran Cehack

You know what? This show has been breaking expectations since day one. It would be crazy if there was no return by death this time, but rather something else....

*Just saying hehe*

It wouldn't be that crazy. Honestly, at this point it's probably as likely to not happen as it is to happen. After all, the last line of the episode is Subarugeuse saying "I will never die!" followed by a reaction from Emilia all the way over the in the village. If anything, I'd find it strange if Emilia was reacting to his death like that since she and everyone else around her would have stopped existing at that moment. Plus, he's been on a pretty strong roll for a while and it would be kinda strange for him to redo all that badass kiting.

He probably dies though. Gotta save all those villagers! Plus, maybe this time they'll remember that Wilhelm got injured in that explosion and not leave him lying on the ground never to be spoken of again.

[Znail]

Originally Posted by Incest Emblem

When he woke up from the explosion, he seemed to have seen the Witch's magic before he opened his eyes. Could that be the respawn point? If so, it would leave him with very little time to correct his course and figure out a solution, and it would leave heavy casualties in the village.

That seems the most likely respawn point, mostly because else so would he have to redo a lot of things that actually went well. It makes sense for the respawn points to give just enough time to fix what went wrong and not much more.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

As it was mentioned earlier, the gospel might be acting as a sort of "anchor" for Betelguese. Each time he was killed, he transfered himself to the fingers and when all fingers died, he might have gone to the gospel, which was being carried by Subaru.

Hopefully, destroying the gospel will be the answer to beating Betelguese.

I don't think he 'transferred' himself to the fingers. I think they were like that to begin with.

[FlameSparkZ]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I don't think he 'transferred' himself to the fingers. I think they were like that to begin with.

True. It gets a bit confusing since they act like him. But like the first one, they didn't have the memories of Betelgeuse, only when Subaru was possessed that it was clearly him.

So...I guess killing the fingers makes him move to whoever is holding the gospel

[Arkard]

Wait a minute... it didn't strike me during the episode or heck, until now, but why didn't Ram ask about or even mention Rem at all? 0_o

[Ulin]

Originally Posted by Arkard

Wait a minute... it didn't strike me during the episode or heck, until now, but why didn't Ram ask about or even mention Rem at all? 0_o

I would go for the easier explanation... Either she asked off camera or she knows her sister is alright because of their connection. Don't forget that Rem knew everytime Ram died and Ram is supposed to be the sensitive one

[Loran Cehack]

Originally Posted by Traece

It wouldn't be that crazy. Honestly, at this point it's probably as likely to not happen as it is to happen. After all, the last line of the episode is Subarugeuse saying "I will never die!" followed by a reaction from Emilia all the way over the in the village. If anything, I'd find it strange if Emilia was reacting to his death like that since she and everyone else around her would have stopped existing at that moment. Plus, he's been on a pretty strong roll for a while and it would be kinda strange for him to redo all that badass kiting.

He probably dies though. Gotta save all those villagers! Plus, maybe this time they'll remember that Wilhelm got injured in that explosion and not leave him lying on the ground never to be spoken of again.

haha true to that, poor Willhelm.

Even if he does comes back from before the whole whale thing, i believe it's just gonna be rushed through with a "and this time, there was less casualties" sort of a thing, or we won't have much of a screen time by the end and even for Emilia's importance sake.

Originally Posted by Ulin

I would go for the easier explanation... Either she asked off camera or she knows her sister is alright because of their connection. Don't forget that Rem knew everytime Ram died and Ram is supposed to be the sensitive one

I'd go with that too

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[Applehell]

Originally Posted by Arkard

Wait a minute... it didn't strike me during the episode or heck, until now, but why didn't Ram ask about or even mention Rem at all? 0_o

Originally Posted by Ulin

I would go for the easier explanation... Either she asked off camera or she knows her sister is alright because of their connection. Don't forget that Rem knew everytime Ram died and Ram is supposed to be the sensitive one

Subaru also cleared up the misunderstanding so there is no reason for her to think she is any actual danger.

[AB079]

Does anyone have actual confirmation about what's going to happen with episode 25? I really want to know if that episode is going to be a double one for the sake of volume 9 - end Arc 3.

[Applehell]

I don't think we will truly know until ep 24 hits this week.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Ulin

I would go for the easier explanation... Either she asked off camera or she knows her sister is alright because of their connection. Don't forget that Rem knew everytime Ram died and Ram is supposed to be the sensitive one

Originally Posted by Applehell

Subaru also cleared up the misunderstanding so there is no reason for her to think she is any actual danger.

Her demand for an explanation for his actions indicate it was the beginning of their conversation and wouldn't she ask about Rem first? On that note, wasn't she initially a little too calm before they cleared up the misunderstanding? She believed Subaru to be a traitor and Rem wasn't with him so wouldn't she assume the worst? The last time Rem was killed she went into a murderous rage.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by bakato

But wasn't she initially a little too calm before they cleared up the misunderstanding? She believed Subaru to be a traitor and Rem wasn't with him so wouldn't she assume the worst? The last time Rem was killed she went into a murderous rage.

That happened because her sister had died right in front of her during the night back then without a clue in the world how it happened except Subaru who didn't even bother to any awnser questions. There is no way anyone would be calm in that situation. Otherwise I never got the feeling Ram was especially anxious person when came to her sister. If anything the incident in the forest where Subaru and Rem went alone to investigate the Shaman should been nerve racking for if that was the case since there was real danger there, but she calmly let them go. Besides since she was wrong it would mean that Rem was alright.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Applehell

Her sister had die right in front of her during the night back then without a clue in the world how it happened except Subaru who didn't even bother to awnser questions. There no way anyone would be calm. Otherwise I never got the feeling Ram was especially anxious person when came to her sister. If anything the incident in the forest where Subaru and Rem went to investigate the Shaman should been nerve racking if that was the case since there was real danger there but she calmly let them go. Besides since she was wrong it would mean that Rem was alright.

No, she didn't. They found Rem dead in her bed. This and the incident in the forest would indicate she's capable of appearing calm when she knows Rem is alive and flies into rage when she knows she's dead. Also, I edited my previous post.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by bakato

No, she didn't. They found Rem dead in her bed.

That is what I said?

This and the incident in the forest would indicate she's capable of appearing calm when she knows Rem is alive and flies into rage when she knows she's dead. Also, I edited my previous post.

...And by cleaing up the misunderstaning she know Rem is alive otherwise makes no sense for to dare Subaru return and not tell her. She hasn't recived a dirtress wavelength from Rem either.

Originally Posted by bakato

Her demand for an explanation for his actions indicate it was the beginning of their conversation and wouldn't she ask about Rem first?

Because an explanation for the present situation was a priority. Asking about her sister wouldn't change the fact she has no idea what Subaru is doing here.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Applehell

That is what I said?



...And by cleaing up the misunderstaning she know Rem is alive otherwise makes no sense for to dare Subaru return and not tell her. She hasn't recived a dirtress wavelength from Rem either.

You said she died in front of her. Rem went to bed, died, and they found her corpse. That is not dying in front of her.

Even if we assume Ram and Rem's synthesia works both ways, that still wouldn't explain why she didn't ask about her Ram's whereabouts the first chance she got.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by bakato

You said she died in front of her. Rem went to bed, died, and they found her corpse. That is not dyoing in front of her.

Even if we assume Ram and Rem's synthesia works both ways, that still wouldn't explain why sh didn't ask about her Ram's whereabouts the first chance she got.

You're arguing sematics here. Regardless she saw her corpse infront of her and understandbly reacted in grief. Whether saw just dying or not changes nothing.

And no I think demanding why an army is at doorstep of place she is guarding with her life would be the more pressing matter considering they can just walking in kill everybody including her right now for all she knows. Ram needs information so she doesn't jump to anymore conclusions. She needs to be able to believe in Subaru otherwise she can't trust anything he says.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Applehell

You're arguing sematics here. Regardless she saw her corpse infront of her and understandbly reacted in grief. Whether saw just dying or not changes nothing.

And no I think demanding why an army is at doorstep of place she is guarding with her life who would be more pressing matter considering they can just walking in kill everybody including her right now for all she knows. Ram needs information so she doesn't jump to anymore conclusions.

Seeing someone die in front of you is way more impactful than finding their corpse, but it's clear either one is enough to set Ram off.

No. I think finding out what terrible fate befell her beloved sister that we once saw sent her into murderous rage is of equal if not greater importance. She had already assumed he had betrated Emilia and Roswaal. Heck, now that I rewatched it the first thing she did when her attempt to abduct Subaru failed was demand that they kill her. Considering she was quick to assume the worst about Subaru, how could she not even ask what had happened to Rem? She might not be dead, but she could be imprisoned or worse.

[Kaneco]

Someone asked a similar question about Rem & Ram...and I gave my assumption of the situation, assuming the situation was odd... [...] I will only say that I think if the situation isn't normal...and Ram's reason for not asking about her sister from the get-go is...I think that 'Gluttony' may be at work in this case, yet again. I think in this episode alone alongside previous episodes have foreshadowed this as a possibility...but we will probably not know until the next episode or the last episode of the season.

[Applehell]

Originally Posted by bakato

Seeing someone die in front of you is way more impactful than finding their corpse, but it's clear either one is enough to set Ram off.

No really isn't. Maybe you got from movies where such things ate dramatize, but pain no way less worse. Yhis is pointless distinction.

No. I think finding out what terrible fate befell her beloved sister that we once saw sent her into murderous rage is of equal if not greater importance. Heck, now that I rewatched it the first thing she did when her attempt to abduct Subaru failed was demand that they kill her. Considering she was quick to assume the worst about Subaru, how could she not even ask what had happened to Rem? She might not be dead, but she could be imprisoned or worse.

I don't what you're talking about because nothing suggest she kinapped him out of murderous rage. Yes she was upset about his possible betrayal but it is obivious she try to separate from group to question him about what was going in a position where she be at an advangte. She needs to know what is going on before she can ask anything else becauae she is not even sure he's a traitor or not.

Originally Posted by Kaneco

Someone asked a similar question about Rem & Ram...and I gave my assumption of the situation, assuming the situation was odd... [...] I will only say that I think if the situation isn't normal...and Ram's reason for not asking about her sister from the get-go is...I think that 'Gluttony' may be at work in this case, yet again. I think in this episode alone alongside previous episodes have foreshadowed this as a possibility...but we will probably not know until the next episode or the last episode of the season.

What makes you think "Gluttony " has anything at all to do with this?