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<xellos> · 2004-03-02, 03:14

now, if i own the 3 dvd box set of Cowboy Bebop, is it ok to rent, then burn the entire 6 dvd set for myself?

Yebyosh · 2004-03-02, 03:27

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Originally Posted by CloudStrife

now, if i own the 3 dvd box set of Cowboy Bebop, is it ok to rent, then burn the entire 6 dvd set for myself?

On a business and legal viewpoint, the answer is a definite NO.

Owning one DVD of a series does not entitle you to steal the other DVDs.

Fronzel · 2004-03-02, 03:36

Not to mention the fact that the 3-disc set is a bootleg.

hentai_wolf · 2004-03-02, 03:36

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Originally Posted by Yebyosh

On a business and legal viewpoint, the answer is a definite NO.

Owning one DVD of a series does not entitle you to steal the other DVDs.

I don't think that's what he's saying. Essentially he bought a bootleg set of Cowboy Bebop, and wants to replace it with a legitimate set. Obviously he was less than pleased with the quality of the bootleg set.

NoSanninWa · 2004-03-02, 03:38

Well, the answer is obviously still, "no." Owning the bootleg DVDs does not entitle him to steal the legitimate version.

Briareos · 2004-03-02, 08:48

If you look around on half.com and ebay you can get all 6 R1 DVDs rather cheap used. I think I payed about $70 total for all six of my CB DVDs used. Disc 5 was the hardest to find.

I'm not sure why CloudStrife is even asking this question. It wasn't "okay" for him to buy the 3 DVD set in the first place (since it's a Bootleg). It's never "okay" to rent and copy DVDs. Nothing that goes on on this site is "okay", but it's ignored simply because the shows are not owned by anyone who is willing to bring legal action against this distribution.

Renting and copying a DVD that's available in your own language and region? You shouoldn't even have to ask if it's okay to do this.

CloudStrife, here's the short answer: NO!

Bindibadgi · 2004-03-02, 13:11

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Originally Posted by CloudStrife

now, if i own the 3 dvd box set of Cowboy Bebop, is it ok to rent, then burn the entire 6 dvd set for myself?

a) 3 box set is bootleg
b) if you dont own it you dont have the right to make backups
c) proper DVD box sets are worth the money in extras alone (/me hugs WHR + Last exile box sets with Tshirts, mouse mats, shot glass, Aru figure, animation cells.. etc)

Repulse · 2004-03-02, 21:38

A form of the show that is graded as bootleg in this country, does not infact necessarily mean that it is illegal in another country. A set of low quality DVDs made in China, where the copyright laws are not very strict, brings little questions of legality in that country. Therefore, export of that item is rarely questioned. An item such as this, imported to the United States is marked as a product of a foreign country, therefore, owning these DVD does not necessarily mean an illegal action. This however, does not entitle you to another version of this show that is published under a different company, especially given the shadiness of your copy. It does however allow you to make as many copies of your own dvds or own a digital version of it's contents for your own private use.

zalas · 2004-03-03, 01:09

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Originally Posted by Repulse

A form of the show that is graded as bootleg in this country, does not infact necessarily mean that it is illegal in another country. A set of low quality DVDs made in China, where the copyright laws are not very strict, brings little questions of legality in that country. Therefore, export of that item is rarely questioned. An item such as this, imported to the United States is marked as a product of a foreign country, therefore, owning these DVD does not necessarily mean an illegal action.

I don't care if it's legal or not. It's bootleg in my books if producer of the products in question did not obtain permission from the original copyright holders to reproduce the product (and/or pay them). I could care less if bootlegs were legal, because I'm still gipping the creators AND benefiting the bootleggers.

<xellos> · 2004-03-03, 03:15

so its ok to make back-ups, like if your dvd gets scratched, unrepairabally (i know its not a real word but you know what i mean), then its ok to burn a dvd of the same thing to replace it? as long as i owned it in the first place?

oh and i live in Ontario, Canada, where it is LEGAL to download, just illegal to Upload, so laws are different everywhere

NoSanninWa · 2004-03-03, 03:19

Yes. It is legal to make a back-up copy as long as your back up is the exact same thing as the original. This means that you can back up the legal 6 DVD set if and only if you buy the 6 DVD set. If you only own the bootlegs, then you can't keep a back up of the legal set. You also cannot trade, sell or load the back-up set to anyone.

Tabiree · 2004-03-03, 03:54

PS, Yes, they are still illegal in China. Copyright still exists there, it's just not enforced. It's just as illegal to have them in the States, not because they are from a different country, but because they are stolen material.

<xellos> · 2004-03-14, 10:19

Sorry one more question relating to this, its a long one.

Now, if i have a Fan-Subbed copy on my computer from when a series wasnt licensed, say...Gundam Seed, i know not the whole series, but its an example of a series that nearly finished before getting licensed, now if i have that on my computer, then i buy the R1 dvds, can i bearn the fansubbed copies because i like the quality better??

Hisoka44 · 2004-03-14, 10:24

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Originally Posted by CloudStrife

Sorry one more question relating to this, its a long one.

Now, if i have a Fan-Subbed copy on my computer from when a series wasnt licensed, say...Gundam Seed, i know not the whole series, but its an example of a series that nearly finished before getting licensed, now if i have that on my computer, then i buy the R1 dvds, can i bearn the fansubbed copies because i like the quality better??

depend on what country you are in, but often you are not allowed to do so many things

JAppi · 2004-03-14, 11:50

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Originally Posted by CloudStrife

i bearn the fansubbed copies because i like the quality better??

What makes you think that the quality of the fansub is better then the professional dvd release?

brand · 2004-03-14, 15:16

Well, in the end this is a moral issues that one needs to solve them self.

Personally, if I want to burn fan subs to disk I do. Though I'm the only person watching them and I don't sell them so I don't feel that within my moral standards I'm ok to do this. Now it still may not be legal but, I don't think the FBI will be tracking me down.

And I have seen fan subs that were better then official translation. Utena comes to mind, ugg I hate the CPM translation of it.... But that's just my personal view of it.

Silver_Scorcher · 2004-03-15, 09:47

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Originally Posted by CloudStrife

Sorry one more question relating to this, its a long one.

Now, if i have a Fan-Subbed copy on my computer from when a series wasnt licensed, say...Gundam Seed, i know not the whole series, but its an example of a series that nearly finished before getting licensed, now if i have that on my computer, then i buy the R1 dvds, can i bearn the fansubbed copies because i like the quality better??

I guess as long as it's for your own personal use then it's nothing to worry about. If you burn it and distribute it in some way (sell it or upload it), then even here in Canada, it's illegal. I burned my Gundam Seed fansubs as well and I even got the remaining 5 or 6 episodes after it was licensed, BUT I still have every intention of buying the DVD's when they come out in September. While it is the ethical thing to do, it's also because most of my SEED eps were from Anime Junkies and were of low sub quality for about the first half of the show.

Dark Blade Outlaw · 2004-03-16, 00:28

OOOOOOOH so the 3 dvd set is bootleg? I thought they were just imports. My friend has the Berserk series on 3 DVD's. Would that be considered the bootleg version too?

Tabiree · 2004-03-16, 09:48

Its a bootleg, yes, as theres no official three disc set of berserk.

Check out AnimeonDVD.com to see whats what

Dark Blade Outlaw · 2004-03-17, 01:24

Well my friend and I get our DVD's from WWW.LINKANIME.COM. Thats like the best place to get anime. That where he also perchased Berserk and most of the other animes he has.

2004-03-02, 03:14	Link #1
<xellos> As a WHM I help people Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bastok, Vana'diel Age: 38	Burning Dvds, Read before Closing now, if i own the 3 dvd box set of Cowboy Bebop, is it ok to rent, then burn the entire 6 dvd set for myself?

2004-03-02, 03:38	Link #5
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	Well, the answer is obviously still, "no." Owning the bootleg DVDs does not entitle him to steal the legitimate version. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2004-03-03, 03:19	Link #11
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	Yes. It is legal to make a back-up copy as long as your back up is the exact same thing as the original. This means that you can back up the legal 6 DVD set if and only if you buy the 6 DVD set. If you only own the bootlegs, then you can't keep a back up of the legal set. You also cannot trade, sell or load the back-up set to anyone. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2004-03-14, 15:16	Link #16
brand Deadly Ninja of Doom! Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 43	Well, in the end this is a moral issues that one needs to solve them self. Personally, if I want to burn fan subs to disk I do. Though I'm the only person watching them and I don't sell them so I don't feel that within my moral standards I'm ok to do this. Now it still may not be legal but, I don't think the FBI will be tracking me down. And I have seen fan subs that were better then official translation. Utena comes to mind, ugg I hate the CPM translation of it.... But that's just my personal view of it. __________________

2004-03-02, 03:36	Link #3
Fronzel Schmuck Join Date: Nov 2003	Not to mention the fact that the 3-disc set is a bootleg.

2004-03-02, 08:48	Link #6
Briareos Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA Age: 53	If you look around on half.com and ebay you can get all 6 R1 DVDs rather cheap used. I think I payed about $70 total for all six of my CB DVDs used. Disc 5 was the hardest to find. I'm not sure why CloudStrife is even asking this question. It wasn't "okay" for him to buy the 3 DVD set in the first place (since it's a Bootleg). It's never "okay" to rent and copy DVDs. Nothing that goes on on this site is "okay", but it's ignored simply because the shows are not owned by anyone who is willing to bring legal action against this distribution. Renting and copying a DVD that's available in your own language and region? You shouoldn't even have to ask if it's okay to do this. CloudStrife, here's the short answer: NO!

2004-03-02, 21:38	Link #8
Repulse Lagrange's stepchild Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Inside a cyclic group of order n	A form of the show that is graded as bootleg in this country, does not infact necessarily mean that it is illegal in another country. A set of low quality DVDs made in China, where the copyright laws are not very strict, brings little questions of legality in that country. Therefore, export of that item is rarely questioned. An item such as this, imported to the United States is marked as a product of a foreign country, therefore, owning these DVD does not necessarily mean an illegal action. This however, does not entitle you to another version of this show that is published under a different company, especially given the shadiness of your copy. It does however allow you to make as many copies of your own dvds or own a digital version of it's contents for your own private use.

2004-03-03, 03:15	Link #10
<xellos> As a WHM I help people Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bastok, Vana'diel Age: 38	so its ok to make back-ups, like if your dvd gets scratched, unrepairabally (i know its not a real word but you know what i mean), then its ok to burn a dvd of the same thing to replace it? as long as i owned it in the first place? oh and i live in Ontario, Canada, where it is LEGAL to download, just illegal to Upload, so laws are different everywhere

2004-03-03, 03:54	Link #12
Tabiree FUNimation's Gen Fukunaga Join Date: Nov 2003	PS, Yes, they are still illegal in China. Copyright still exists there, it's just not enforced. It's just as illegal to have them in the States, not because they are from a different country, but because they are stolen material.

2004-03-14, 10:19	Link #13
<xellos> As a WHM I help people Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bastok, Vana'diel Age: 38	Sorry one more question relating to this, its a long one. Now, if i have a Fan-Subbed copy on my computer from when a series wasnt licensed, say...Gundam Seed, i know not the whole series, but its an example of a series that nearly finished before getting licensed, now if i have that on my computer, then i buy the R1 dvds, can i bearn the fansubbed copies because i like the quality better??

2004-03-16, 00:28	Link #18
Dark Blade Outlaw Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004	OOOOOOOH so the 3 dvd set is bootleg? I thought they were just imports. My friend has the Berserk series on 3 DVD's. Would that be considered the bootleg version too?

2004-03-16, 09:48	Link #19
Tabiree FUNimation's Gen Fukunaga Join Date: Nov 2003	Its a bootleg, yes, as theres no official three disc set of berserk. Check out AnimeonDVD.com to see whats what

2004-03-17, 01:24	Link #20
Dark Blade Outlaw Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004	Well my friend and I get our DVD's from WWW.LINKANIME.COM. Thats like the best place to get anime. That where he also perchased Berserk and most of the other animes he has.