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2021-02-03, 23:25 | Link #5 |
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Suu Kyi is charged for violating import/export laws for alledgly providing radios for her personal close protection officers. And the president Win Myint was charged with violating the Natural Disaster Management Law, in the sense of violating COVID-19 restrictions.
---- Some article on the man in charge, Min Aung Hlaing. A lot of articles I uncovered suggest that he has a motive, personal (likely due to being in charge of anti-ARSA ops) and financial (his family is involved in the Myanma economy). Most won't be surprised that they can't get the habit of being a junta. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/general-...wer-in-myanmar https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...ble-status-quo https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/My...uu-Kyi-in-coup The NGO Justice for Myanmar has more info on Aung Hlaing's financial interests. https://www.justiceformyanmar.org/st...in-aung-hlaing Edited by Ominae on Feb 3rd 2021 at 8:25:02 AM
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Of course, local conditions play by far the biggest roles, but the Myanmar coup, to my mind, demonstrates how inter-connected the world is today. The Myanmar military very likely looked at events unfolding in the US elections, and seized on "electoral fraud" as a good pretext for a coup. It's also striking how the Myanmar people were inspired by Thai protesters, which is not surprising, given how the Thais are very familiar with military coups. And then there's the mask, dutifully worn by the PE instructor, even as she went about doing her video routine. It's a light-hearted comical moment in a dire time, but the very fact that she was wearing a mask highlights how the pandemic has reached every part of the world, connecting all of us in a common tragedy. I'm curious how the international community will deal with Aung San Suu Kyi in the future, assuming she gets out of this latest crisis unscathed and unharmed. Her image as a democracy icon may have been tarnished over the past 10 years, but she remains the only plausible civilian leader in Myanmar today. Like it or not, real-politik will require all sides to work within her constraints. Like the former Singapore ambassador Bilahari Kausikan has pointed out, power matters much more than principle. Principles without power to back them up amount to no more than wishful thinking. So, any settlement to this crisis will need to involve the military, no matter how distasteful that might be. And, yes, that means nothing good for the Rohingya will come out of this. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. Last edited by TinyRedLeaf; 2021-02-04 at 02:40. |
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2021-02-04, 03:22 | Link #7 | |
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For example, when British controlled Myanmar, British hired the people from neighboring country as Myanmar's police force. After British lost control of Myanmar, these police wanted to partition Myanmar's territory. So, people of Myanmar were upset about these people. Another example is that Myanmar military is still the real ruler of the country. The former military leader allowed Suu Kyi to win the election, and the military has default seats in the country's senate. Even Suu Kyi won the election, her position as the president is not the same as the Commander in Chief of Myanmar military. So, Myanmar military is their own class. |
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The police have never been well-regarded in Myanmar. During British rule, they were seen as enforcers of an alien law, and after independence, the police were looked down upon by the increasingly powerful military. In either case, the police were associated with either brutality or incompetence among the population. Given this history, I suppose it's possible that the police were staffed by foreigners, but that's not something I'd ever come across in references. Quote:
That's the case not only in Western media, but in Asian media as well, I expect. The story just isn't as "sexy" as a made-for-movie plot like that of small guys vs fat cats on Wall Street, for example, and the number of views for this forum thread speaks for itself. Besides, everyone is preoccupied with immediate concerns over the pandemic That Myanmar gets any attention at all is thanks in no small part to the international stature of Aung San Suu Kyi. Quote:
If you think about it, it's a wonder that any civilian government can keep the military on a leash. It's only very recently in world history that this has become a "norm". Unfortunately, in my home region, it's still largely a work-in-progress. The Thai military, with its close association to the monarchy, is unlikely to ever relinquish political power in the near future. And it's only been in the past 20 to 30 years that military dictatorships were toppled in the Philippines and Indonesia. It's simply the fact that where civilian institutions are weak, the military will step in to fill the vacuum. It has been pointed out that Indonesia may serve as the best possible example of political transition for Myanmar. But, as is always the case, there are limitations. The key difference is that, even before Indonesian president Suharto finally lost power in 1998, the former general had long since been laying the foundations for a civilian government. And that was why Indonesia's transition to democracy had been relatively smooth, and mostly bloodless. That has not been the case in Aung San Suu Kyi's government. To be sure, it was never likely that she would be able to build institutions strong enough to eclipse the military — the generals would never have allowed it, just as they are not allowing it to happen today. I think a lot will depend on how strong the popular pushback can be. If the people of Myanmar meekly allow the military to have its way, then the junta will continue to stay in control. Thankfully, cooler heads have so far prevailed in the protest movement — the demonstrators are fighting back with civil disobedience, not violence. The greatest credit goes to the medics, doctors and healthcare workers — they've been the most high-profile protesters so far. Remember, it was people power that toppled the Marcos regime in the Philippines. Civil disobedience can work, but it will require the full support of the people, who must be mentally prepared for brutal repression. It may be a tall order, but it's a critical question that the people of Myanmar must ask of themselves. |
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This'll be a big issue on how the rest of the world will try to intervene to get Suu Kyi and her cabinet released.
Locsin and some parts of Asia says it's concerned, but there is talk of how the West will set another bad precedent because of Libya and Iraq.
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Ironically, I have to quote the English sources, which said foreign immgrants were farm labors and soliders of colonial army, instead of police. https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the...pire-in-burma/ Quote:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...ry-british.htm https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...ritish-empire/ However, the story of their migration to Burma, their role in British colonial army, Colonial army's role in suppression of Burmese rebellion, Colonial army's role in pillaging Burmese villages and land grab, Burma leaders' promise for Burma citizenship for Rohingya people, Rohingya people's Burma partition movement, and Burma's military's oppression on Rohingya people, can be easily found online. I heard some information, but have not found other sources for verification. Maybe you have the information to verify following statement: Quote:
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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...ined-14126558?
The Tatmadaw detained an Australian who's an advisor to the civilian government.
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The British use of Indian troops is a very well-established fact. They were commonly known as sepoys, for example. There are also the Nepali Gurkhas, who retain a fearsome reputation to this day for loyalty and excellence in service. Quote:
But I don't think it's a case of oligarchs "controlling" the military per se. I find that highly unlikey, given the generals' fragile egos. It's likely the case of generals working very closely with crony capitalists for mutual benefit. I found this piece on one such tainted industralist, Zaw Zaw, who had been targeted by US sanctions. Regarding 2), well, the military's warning doesn't seem to have had an effect. Yet. (Here's hoping they don't resort to actual shooting...) As for 3), again I can't find any credible sources to back up that claim. It is possible that the Chinese are dealing with the military through illicit channels, but if this commentary is to be believed, then it seems that Beijing does not enjoy having to deal with the Myanmar generals because they are unreliable partners: China does not like the coup in Myanmar Quote:
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China, Russia block UN Security Council condemnation of Myanmar coup https://www.france24.com/en/americas...f-myanmar-coup To me it is clear that it is an unwritten rule of the thumb that undemocratic governments support each other in their totalitarian ways. Myanmar becomes for china another example of "failed democracies" to support the narrative they have to suppress the liberties in hong kong (and at home). |
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The same could be said about Russia and Belarus. Putin does not like Lukashenko, the later not being the puppet the former wants. But Russia no doubt supports Belarus actions after the "elections" last year by not condemning them. The last thing putin wants is a pro-western democracy on his border and xi jinping is no different.
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She is a Burman nationalist, no more no less. Just because she's an opponent of people the west does not like, does not make her their friend. She has far more in common with the Tatmadaw than some American congressman
Or I guess you could say it's in the same way that Syngman Rhee's ROK is technically a "pro-US democracy"....wouldn't be too far off
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