Mahouka [LN/M] - Character Speculation/Theories: Tatsuya

[Marcus H.]

Why not? It's not like Tatsuya can handle himself well no matter the circumstance.

[bietchie11]

Tatsuya is awesome!!!!!

[Chris38]

Personally, I think that Tatsuya when he fights as 'Shiba Tatsuya' has more then enough limitations in combat.

After all:

- He has his powers sealed by Miyuki, which reduces the amount of psions that he can use ... decreasing his overall combat efficiency. It has also been implied in the novels that this is not the only seal that is placed on Tatsuya ... so we probably haven't seen how strong Tatsuya actually is, without any restrictions placed on him.

- He has to hide the fact that he can 'Flash Cast' and since his artificial magical abilities are pretty low it's a disadvantage against some powerful mages.

- He can't use his natural innate abilities openly, since they are a national secret.

- He has to avoid using abilities that would connect 'Shiba Tatsuya' with 'Mahesvara', which is something that I believe will become more and more pronounced the further we go into the story.

Of course ... some of those limitations are not present when he is fighting as 'Mahesvara', but I believe that the times when we see Tatsuya fighting using this identity are going to decrease, when the awareness of the existence of 'Mahesvara' is going to spread around Japan and outside of it's national borders...

[Marcus H.]

Ironically, I want him to be more restrained in combat, but I also want him to fight more so that he actually loses decisively for one (and NO RESETS WITH REGROWTH, PLEASE). I hope he throws away that bullshit about keeping a "national secret" or having an "alternate personality" because it's dragging on the story.

[pampz21]

Ihatetosaythisbut

Spoiler for bore me:

Tatsuya is one of the most boring character....

[zerozeronine]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Ihatetosaythisbut

Spoiler for bore me:

Tatsuya is one of the most boring character....

Why?Becuase he doesn't spit nonsense lines and get typical harem scenes like Touma of Index?

[Ultraviolet X]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Ihatetosaythisbut

Spoiler for bore me:

Tatsuya is one of the most boring character....

hmm, I partly agree, partly disagree.

Compared to other Ln MC's, I really like Tatsuya. He's not like most leads spouting those tedious lines along the lines of "I will save everyone", and he doesn't blunder into his victories like most other MC's do. Also, hes not having those tedious scenes where he makes girls "fall in love" with him constantly over a little thing or those misunderstanding ecchi scenes.

Putting that aside, personality wise he does seem boring. Hes cold, calculating, ruthless, doesn't do anything impulsive and doesn't really seem to enjoy anything besides pleasing Miyuki. Not to mentions he usually thinks things through before he answers someone, even with normal interactions unless it's towards Miyuki. While this is a good thing for him in combat or situations where he is pitting wits against someone else (also to read, at least for me), in normal interactions hes boring.

Even counting some of the things he does later on as he develops his "weaker" emotions, he still seems dull. Well, at least he is on the right track.

[Jirachier]

@guestuser

Most magicians don't have defensive abilities, it was already stated that in mahouka if you don't have some really really good defensive magic like Katsuto or Minami it's best to completely focus on offense. And the truth is Tatsuya has several extraordinary defensive abilities, he has Gram Dispersion and Gram Demolition which are the strongest counter magics there is, and even if you somehow go through them Regrowth will kick in and heal him. Finally there is something which he never even needed to use but still has which is AoE Decomposition, that is basically the best anti-physical barrier anyone could hope for.

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

We need a weakness that it actually debilitating in combat.

It really bothers me when I read stuff like that, why does Tatsuya needs a weakness in combat ? Tatsuya is meant as a character who is basically perfect in anything he does except when it comes to being human, that is his flaw, some people keep arguing that it's just something the author came up with as an excuse and doesn't affect him negatively in any way, which is absolutely false. He is being forcibly bound to his sister thanks to the experiment done on him by his own mother and aunt(maybe he would still be living with his sister the way he is now, but no one can say that for certain because he is a slave to the result of that experiment and we will never know the truth unless he gets back his emotional freedom), ever since he was a child he had to struggle just to survive and the scars on his body are a testament to that, even with his current powers and knowledge he still doesn't see how impressive he is and looks down on his own accomplishments.
Some readers only focus on how much of a badass he is and completely ignore the reality that he can never be truly happy, that his childhood was stolen from him and that he can never be a real human being.

Also it's not that Tatsuya is invincible, he only seems as such because he is one o the most powerful magicians in the world, if you're making him fight someone who isn't on the same level as the likes of Maya, of course he will seem unbeatable. If you want more difficult fights for him then ask for characters that belong to such a category to come and face him rather than hoping for a weakness, we have too many protagonists already with more than enough combat flaws why do we need another one who has to struggle against regular everyone he meets ?

[Echizen777]

Tatsuya's weakness is evident. Crual lack of versatility but he is specialisations are enough to rival the others. While Tatsuya will always fight with Decomposition, Regrowth, ES and Non systematic magic you have other OP mages like Miyuki. Not only that Miyuki has deadly spells but she has access to the numerous normal spells any normal magicians can use. Her Deceleration Zone is so ridiculously strong and that's just a common aoe spell, how many magics of this genre exist? Plenty. Tatsuya can't even use the spells he discover. I am not even sure Tatsuya can beat her 10 times out of 10. Normal magicians potential is too high especially 10MC magicians. I am sure Tatsuya would have been stronger if he was born with only one of his innate magics.

[guestuser]

wow i just learn the meaning of tatsuya name which fits him perfectly and i always wonder what it mean The name "Tatsuya" means "to achieve/ he who is an achievement" or "dragon". i got this from the wiki

[Marcus H.]

It really bothers me when I read stuff like that, why does Tatsuya needs a weakness in combat ? Tatsuya is meant as a character who is basically perfect in anything he does except when it comes to being human, that is his flaw, some people keep arguing that it's just something the author came up with as an excuse and doesn't affect him negatively in any way, which is absolutely false. He is being forcibly bound to his sister thanks to the experiment done on him by his own mother and aunt(maybe he would still be living with his sister the way he is now, but no one can say that for certain because he is a slave to the result of that experiment and we will never know the truth unless he gets back his emotional freedom), ever since he was a child he had to struggle just to survive and the scars on his body are a testament to that, even with his current powers and knowledge he still doesn't see how impressive he is and looks down on his own accomplishments.

I hate people who are an unstoppable force.
I hate people who are an unstoppable force and yet continues to look down on himself even more.

Some readers only focus on how much of a badass he is and completely ignore the reality that he can never be truly happy, that his childhood was stolen from him and that he can never be a real human being.

That's bullshit. There are a lot of non-human characters who can live human lives, and he's even blessed with a constant companion like Miyuki.

Tatsuya's weakness is evident. Crual lack of versatility but he is specialisations are enough to rival the others. While Tatsuya will always fight with Decomposition, Regrowth, ES and Non systematic magic you have other OP mages like Miyuki. Not only that Miyuki has deadly spells but she has access to the numerous normal spells any normal magicians can use. Her Deceleration Zone is so ridiculously strong and that's just a common aoe spell, how many magics of this genre exist? Plenty. Tatsuya can't even use the spells he discover. I am not even sure Tatsuya can beat her 10 times out of 10. Normal magicians potential is too high especially 10MC magicians. I am sure Tatsuya would have been stronger if he was born with only one of his innate magics.

The problem is that his supposed losses are against hard counters. It would be much better if battles allow for equal chances of winning between Tatsuya and the enemy. That or Tatsuya wins against an enemy through sheer tactical superiority (no, his constant reliance to the information dimension doesn't count).

[My Zodiac Aries]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

We need a weakness that it actually debilitating in combat.

He's unstopable. No one is allowed to kill him except Miyuki.

[millie10468]

Does anyone think Tatsuya went too far with his apathy regarding anything that has nothing to do with Miyuki when Kobayaka lost her magic as an indirect result? I find it interesting that while he sometimes has to stop himself from being a busy body and poking his nose in other people's business, he still finds it effortless to turn a blind eye to things around him that don't directly have anything to do with him.

[kusabireika]

Originally Posted by millie10468

Does anyone think Tatsuya went too far with his apathy regarding anything that has nothing to do with Miyuki when Kobayaka lost her magic as an indirect result? I find it interesting that while he sometimes has to stop himself from being a busy body and poking his nose in other people's business, he still finds it effortless to turn a blind eye to things around him that don't directly have anything to do with him.

Because his first priority is miyuki that how he was made .... By her mother

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

I hate people who are an unstoppable force.

The problem is that his supposed losses are against hard counters. It would be much better if battles allow for equal chances of winning between Tatsuya and the enemy. That or Tatsuya wins against an enemy through sheer tactical superiority (no, his constant reliance to the information dimension doesn't count).

Tatsuya is the go-to guy.
Want to get something done? Call Tatsuya.
Want to end combats fast? Call Tatsuya.
Tatsuya's whole existence means business.

If you want to play your childish little combat game, call Leo. When you are tired of it, call Tatsuya. Otherwise, don't bother him when he spends his quality time with Miyuki.

Why Leo?
Well...

Spoiler:

That was Miyuki's magic.

In this situation, Leo was truly impatient.

To him, a fight was the means by which 'talks' were resolved.

Like in Yokohama, in a situation where it was clear the opponent had no interest in words, strength would immediately become the 'mediator'.

If it was the enemy who had underestimated them and come over, he would not be stingy in 'correcting' them with his fists.

If it was an acquaintance in trouble, he would 'lend a hand' in a rough violent manner.

It may be called 'uncivilised', but fighting had always been a staple of negotiating.

In the face of Miyuki's power, however, nevermind their claim; the enemy's very existence would be blown away.

Rather than a cat toying with a mouse, it would be more like an elephant crushing ants.

They would be far too pitiful to be considered opponents.

That was against Leo's style.

bietchie11: Basicially he fights enemies NOT to annihilate them, but to have manly talk with them.

[millie10468]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

Tatsuya is the go-to guy.
Want to get something done? Call Tatsuya.
Want to end combat fast? Call Tatsuya.
Tatsuya whole existence means business.

If you want to play your childish little combat game, call Leo. When you are tired of it, call Tatsuya. Otherwise, don't bother him when he spends his quality time with Miyuki.

This was quite funny

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by millie10468

Does anyone think Tatsuya went too far with his apathy regarding anything that has nothing to do with Miyuki when Kobayaka lost her magic as an indirect result? I find it interesting that while he sometimes has to stop himself from being a busy body and poking his nose in other people's business, he still finds it effortless to turn a blind eye to things around him that don't directly have anything to do with him.

Well, she was not one of his friends. Erika said it herself as long as Miyuki and his friends aren't involved he won't care. But remember he found a way to help her in vol11 and wanted it to be a secret. That is development for me.

In 9SC we can see 3 interesting reactions depending of his relations with the others.

Mari(friend): Went immediately to rescue her as fast as the responsibles.
Kobayakawa(nothing more than an acquaintance): Cold glare...
Miyuki(mental support): Great emotional reaction and go destroyer mode.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Well, she was not one of his friends. Erika said it herself as long as Miyuki and his friends aren't involved he won't care. But remember he found a way to help her in vol11 and wanted it to be a secret. That is development for me.

In 9SC we can see 3 interesting reactions depending of his relations with the others.

Mari(friend): Went immediately to rescue her as fast as the responsibles.
Kobayakawa(nothing more than an acquaintance): Cold glare...
Miyuki(mental support): Great emotional reaction and go destroyer mode.

I wouldnt call Mari his friend>¿ shes more like a commanding officer and thats enough for him to move; if you dont think thats enough then Tatsuya moved because Miyuki look worried.

[Echizen777]

How is she not one of his friends? Excluding his usual band the student council, Kirihara, Mibu, Eimi the 101 count as friends. And he stood up before Miyuki's worried look.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

How is she not one of his friends? Excluding his usual band the student council, Kirihara, Mibu, Eimi the 101 count as friends. And he stood up before Miyuki's worried look.

Ever heard of aquaintances? You nver seen Tatsuya wanting to hang out with them; there is Kirihara's case where Tatsuya cheered him up; or is it Tatsuya's plan for him to make the first high boys aim for a comeback?

As we stated back on the generic discussions Tatsuya isnt you friendly;mr. Nice guy!

He evil, manipulating bastard that is obssess with his sister or is he?