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View Poll Results: To Aru Majutsu no Index LN - New Testament Volume 15 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 17 | 30.91% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 29.09% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 20.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 10.91% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 3.64% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.82% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 3.64% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2016-04-12, 05:20 | Link #81 | |
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IT is inconsistent between appearances, so there's likely some conditions to its power, just like IB and WR have theirs. |
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2016-04-12, 05:36 | Link #83 | |
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but again, I'm under assumption that the 50% is not what lead you to full power Magic God but the chance to win against any form of power / people / anything outside the realm |
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2016-04-12, 05:38 | Link #84 | |
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the 50%-mode actually grants real omnipotence and the 100% are actually lowering the overall power for the sake of everytime successful magic use thinking about it makes sense, othinus needed gungnir, a magic tool, she had "programms" with the magic tool basically like any usual magician but on a far larger scale... so this could actually mean that majiins wrongly assumed that their 100%-mode-spells are stronger than 50%-spells |
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2016-04-12, 05:47 | Link #85 | |
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Let me explain: Supposedly IB and WR are 'cut from the same cloth' so to speak. However when we look at WR's activation condition, there's a clear difference. WR only works when the target "possesses conflicting desires in their heart, which cause them to waver and not focus on a single path, clinging to their current world while at the same time wishing for a new world." In other words, its defined by the target's internal desires. If there is conflict, things the target's 'world is rejected' and they are exiled to their ideal world. It's also why Kamisato always asks "Do you wish for a new world?". In short, WR's name, base kanji, activation condition and associated catchphrase perfectly match each other. But Imagine Breaker doesn't. Its name, base kanji and catchphrase seem to match alright. But its activation condition just doesn't make sense or fit any theme. His power works regardless of whether the target's illusion has been broken or not. I feel like this is an important difference between the two powers.
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2016-04-12, 06:02 | Link #86 |
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There's been hints and people saying Touma using IB right/to its full potential, and he seems to knows less about it than Kakeru seems to do about WR or Fiamma does about HR. Off the three right hand users he's the only one who appears to have missed receiving an instructions manual. With the IB being described as a reference point for the world and all that, it's clear there's more to it than Touma thinks. IB is supposed to "restore the world to normal/allow people to retun to reality" instead of "creating a new world/allow people to escape reality" like WR does. Maybe you could spin it by saying that when he's negating magic/esper powers IB is doing its job: he's breaking/killing the illusion magicians/espers have of transforming the world by returning it to its proper state. Magicians seem to learn magic to achieve some sort of goal/dream (western magicians have the magic names and all), and espers are basically people who cause changes in reality with their minds due to their Personal Reality, in a way you could say they are so chuuni that they can impose their illusions and view of reality on the world and everyone else. |
2016-04-12, 06:22 | Link #87 | |
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2016-04-12, 07:37 | Link #90 |
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IB negates supernatural stuff, IT seems to be a stronger version but it is now stated that they arent connected, that means IT can very welm be a supernatural thing too, and IB constantly negates.it... since we dont see its full extend it could be very well possible that it can constantly stop IT who is at least a able to destroy a planet level attack
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2016-04-12, 07:47 | Link #91 | |
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2016-04-12, 11:11 | Link #92 | |
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If IT left toumas body then maybe he would gain IB as it should be from the beggining. |
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2016-04-12, 11:14 | Link #93 |
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I don't intend to form any opinions until the complete picture is clear, though a few of the fragments have left me feeling a little...uneasy.
Nice to see the designs of the previously unseen Magic Gods. Spoiler for Minor things from atwiki & RS:
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2016-04-12, 14:29 | Link #95 |
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I saw somebody bring up the 50/50 rule that Othinus was subjected to when she was an imperfect magic god. I realize that it is unlikely, but maybe that is the case with Yuiitsu.
I mean, think about it. She herself is not a magic god, and its unknown whether or not she is actually controlling them if that picture is legit. What if she is just rolling the dice by using their power? In other words, yes, she is incredibly powerful right now, but maybe that power come at an equally steep and risky price. It may not be the same as with Othinus and her 50% chance of failure due to a luck of the draw effect, but one human being in command of all that power seriously must have a hidden cost or side effect associated with it. |
2016-04-12, 14:40 | Link #96 |
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So Salome is immortal?
Also I thought the reason this IT was more powerful then the one in NT4 was because the AIM Disfusion field does something to IT? Also about those Dark Matter Magic God Zombie can they use there Nerf power, if so why because Esper power and Magic does not get along? There at least one thing to be true those Zombies would be easier to kill then High Priest because there make of Dark Matter. So far the only Magic God that were a danger were Othunis, High Priest and Nephthys, all the other were kill like folder enemy. At least we know how NT16 will end, which Yuuitsu being killed by a more powerful enemy that will come out of no where. Is it just me or is the crazyness started to get old and the artuor need to calm down in To aru series? To be honest I more hype for the Laura spoiler that was her laughing at Crowley at the end of NT15 then, what the artuor bet doing which Yuuitsu. Had anyone else see the same thing as me which OT being Order well as NT continue it just bet going to Chaos. I am waited for the out of nowhere Ailen attack because so far the artour have bet all about the crazy when I just want him to calm down. Also who think that NT15 and NT16 is a two parter or will we start a new arc in NT16 not a Story Arc just a book Arc? |
2016-04-12, 14:42 | Link #97 | |
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2016-04-12, 17:09 | Link #98 |
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^Correction: They were far stronger than her, even with their self imposed nerf to be able to even appear in the phase the earth exists on without destroying everything (and that took away more than half of their power) and then with Aleister and Noukans nerf that cut their already halved power even more. Heck, they even laugh at Othinus for not being able to reach their phase, that's how strong they were.
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2016-04-12, 17:31 | Link #99 |
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I can't help but think Othinus had gotten some form of Amnesia, just another trait like Touma in common! lol
There has to be a reason why she wasn't on their level, and I think that plays a part in it.
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2016-04-12, 17:51 | Link #100 | |
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Well I think at this moment that NT16 will be the second part to NT15 and then NT 17 would be about Kumokawa Seria and Touma past. NT18-NT20 will be the final arc of this Story Arc and the Science Side will have it first big lost like WWIII was for the Magic Side. Hopefully we will get some great info on IT and IB in Seria and Touma past and the Final Arc of this Story Arc becasue IT have play a role in both NT13 and NT14 and even NT15 even if it was only at the beginning of NT15 and was just seeing the end of Touma and Kamisato fight from Touma side. |
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