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Mahouka [LN/M] - Character Speculation/Theories: Lu Gonghu
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Let's say magic fighters(i prefer this to magicians, cos a lot rely on the combination of magic with martial arts and the level of both is important not just magic) were ranked between D being the lowest and S+ being the highest. I'd put Lu at S class(I'd give S+ to ones who are the strongest magicians in the world regardless of range like Maya), Mayumi/Mari/Erika at A+ and Leo at A, it shouldn't take just this many A+ and A to defeat an S class fighter. How many people in the world exist that are on the same level as Mari/Mayumi/Erika ? I'm pretty sure you'll at least find like 2 thousands worldwide, so does this mean that you can randomly pick 4 of them and send them against one of the top 10 and he'd lose ? That's dumb.
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my two cents with Lu losing to teenagers,didn't Mari cheated by using her magic to make Lu inhale something (actually forgot what it was),while he was distracted?And it was 3 on 1 with 3 teenage but capable CQC magicians.With that fight Erika is a strong CQC magician but actually lose to him that easily.
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Katsuto can do the same thing only because he's a ridiculously powerful magic barrier specialist from Japan's most successful magician enhancement programs. No one else in the novel has been shown able to do what Lu did, the way he did it. Through magically aided and overpowering bare handed martial prowess. No One. Quote:
Victory only comes at a price in long dawn out fantastic battles. I can understanding wishing for more fantasy-style battle damage to make the story more gripping. But being the world best doesn't mean another person's personal defensive magic powers stop working or that their genetically enhanced trait of shrugging off ridiculous damage suddenly disappears. I just don't agree with using the reason that their magic talent doesn't matter, since the whole theme of the novel is how magic talent allows magicians, young and old, to do the impossible. Tatsuya constantly abuses his innate magic abilities to defend or restore himself. Either way I do understand that it wasn't an impressive scene to you. I just feel if they didn't use the abilities they are known for to survive his blows that were aimed to kill, there would have been no serious injuries. They would have just instantly died after each single strike. And I personally don't want them to die yet. Quote:
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As for the students, what you're doing is just explaining how they won, if you're one of the 10 best in the world you should have a way out of such a predicament. What Lu did against them would have been impressive if he was just another strong fighter, but when he's called one of the 10 best, it changes everything.
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Age doesn't necessarily make you stronger unless you're more talented and older, in which case it does.
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Why on earth does Lu have his own thread when he's a minor character who shows up in a a few volumes. I mean, I can understand why Lina would have her own thread considering she also only showed up in a few volumes but Lu? LKK, wouldn't this do much better in the Other Characters thread?
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Don't underestimate the power of RAGE to fuel discussion.
Although to be honest, being upset about him being taken out by Mayumi using Dry Meteor is both understandable yet silly. He basically lost to the power of her trolling. Keeping in mind that she normally uses Hale Particles, Dry Meteor on first glance looks exactly like a much bigger version of Hale Particles. So it makes sense that he got suckered by the spell. But it's kind of bad form to introduce a one shot ability like that, because it makes it feel more like an asspull. It probably would have been a bit better if she demonstrated use of CO2 in ways other than just Hale Particles to lead up to this. |
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To be honest, ever since his introduction in the novels, I've felt that Lu was intended to be one of the series' Big Bads. So I've been a little surprised that no character thread for him has been requested yet. But when I identified 10 lengthy posts about him in the Tatsuya thread, I decided adding them to the Other Characters thread would turn that thread into a LU plus other characters thread rather an Other Characters thread. Therefore to maintain the balance in the Other Characters thread, I split him off into his own thread.
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every younger generation are more talented. Lina and Miyuki is also more talented than Yotsuba Maya. Quote:
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The way it works is that if you take two talented magicians and they have a child, the child will probably be more talented than either of them, but this method will not keep working forever at one point it hits the limit of talent possible to achieve. Second Mayumi is talented but she's not even on the level of talent of the BEST teenagers, Miyuki and Lina for example are on a different level. Finally this thing works when you take weaker magicians and try to keep making their children stronger and stronger, it's not some rule that say that EVERY single new teenage magician is stronger than EVERY adult, that makes absolutely no sense. Lu is CURRENTLY, in the presence of all these supposedly super talented teenagers, he is considered one of the top 10 close combat specialists in the entire world. He is more talented.
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To be more precise, he is not more talented than any magician of the 28 families.
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MP doesn't mean Combat Power. Although Lu's MP is certainly that of a talented mage from a normal family he is able to beat TMC magicians thanks to his mastery of martial arts. Maya for example, have less talent than Miyuki but in a battle Miyuki would have no chance to beat her Meteor Stream. |
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IMO, the most appropriate thing to say is that he was VERY VERY UNLUCKY, to be at the wrong place at the wrong time . Let's break down a bit, shall we? * His first (serious fight) in the LN was vs Naotsugu and Mari. For this, we all can agree that it was somewhat natural and reasonable for Lu to lose as Naotsugu was on par with him. If it was 1 vs 1 then the result would have been unpredictable, but Mari was backing up Nao so.... * 2nd fight - vs Tatsuya + Mayumi + Mari: first it needs to be mentioned that Lu wasn't in top form because he had been injured after the fight with Nao; second, it was Tatsuya who was the game-changer, Mari and Mayumi would have been easily killed if our MC hadn't been there. * 3rd fight - vs Erika + Leo + Mayumi + Mari: to be fair, he did live up to his name as he did not struggle much to take out both Leo and Erika in such a short (or not so long) time. However, I do admit that this fight was a bit anti-climatic. If I was the author, I would have put Erika's eldest brother - Toshikazu into the fight as well. And if that had been the case, I think nobody would be disagree about Lu losing for the 3rd time * a little note for my point about Toshikazu: perhaps he is not the most talented of the Chiba siblings (Naotsugu, with little to no doubt, is the one), but he must possess a certain degree of skills to be the heir of Chiba *looking at Tatsuya*. And if the two brothers were to fight to the death, I don't think Naotsugu would come out unscratched, I would even put my two cent for Toshikazu
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So with that revealed, all battles in which Lu lost either had someone of similar world wide ranking in close quarters combat or in sniping. edit: while this is a bit of topic, I personally think Mayumi would be able to beat Lina or Miyuki if she was at a range that she could use her abilities to their maximum effectiveness (and if Lina is not using stragetic type magic), but THAT will only cause an even greater debate, so I won't go there in arguing the case and it would really need to be a topic discussed in the Mayumi thread not here XD. Last edited by Sinarblood; 2014-06-04 at 20:56. Reason: changed combat to close quarters combat and fixed a spelling mistake |
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