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View Poll Results: Shakugan no Shana III - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 12 | 30.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 9 | 22.50% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 30.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 7.50% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 5.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 5.00% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-03-02, 02:53 | Link #1 | ||||
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2012-03-02, 16:27 | Link #5 |
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8/10. Pretty good episode, although the last few episodes were better. The story didn't move along by a lot. This episode was mostly focused on everyone's respective battles. There was too little focus on Yuji/Shana this episode in my opinion.
Guess I was right about Shana's plan. Shana forcefully put in some data, which would result in a rule being created which will stop the tomogara from disrupting the balance in the new world. Making sure that humans can't be eaten over there, and thus can't be changed into power of existence, will stop the forming of distortions and will protect the balance of both Xanadu and the 'greater world'. I guess Shana fulfilled her duty as a flame haze this way. Using Shana's unrestricted spell they made sure that everyone in Misaki City would be able to hear the new rule as well. I guess that they did this so that the tomogara in Misaki City will know about this rule and that they will be able to spread the word to the other tomogara later in Xanadu. I guess the 3 remaining gods of the motherland had another mission as well, aside from stalling the tomogara. They are killing as much tomogara as they can in order to set an example for the coming generations of tomogara: Those who eat humans and disrupt the balance that way will face punishment without mercy. I get the feeling that the main reason why SnH got so angry is because he got a blow to his pride. He's angry that his paradise has been alterned, since he is the one who was supposed to make this world for the tomogara. The tomogara wished for this world and he awoke to fulfil that wish. The tomogara will become happy because of him, their god. He wants to be worshipped like that. Nobody was supposed to alter it. Yuji shouldn't really have a reason to be angry with this new rule though, since this fits in with his wish to create a world where humans and tomogara can coexist. I wonder what will come out of this. As for Johan and Pheles, I guess Johan was the one who gave the flame haze the piece they needed to change the Taimei Shihen after all. It seems he really was 'dying' inside the Reiji Maigo, so he made a plan. He wants to 'overcome death' and to 'leave hope behind'. It probably has something to do with that thing Rofocale saw in the minivan. Johan's planning to use SnH/Yuji's plan to make this happen somehow. I guess he needs to PoE that will be used to create Xanadu. Johan als has a message for Wilhelmina, their friend. And he wants Kazumi to convey this message to her. I wonder what it'll be. It will probably be some kind of explanation of their plan. I have the feeling that we won't be seeing Johan and Pheles again though. To me, it felt like they were saying their farewells during that scene with Kazumi. By the way, I had to raise one of my eyebrows at the first scene. Sydonay was still being held by Wilhelmina and Margery in his humanoid form when Shana fired the Chorde at the end of episode 20. In the beginning of this episode he was freely flying in his transformed state when Shana fired those Chorde. Guess they made a small mistake there. And wow at that cliffhanger.
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2012-03-02, 18:19 | Link #7 | |
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Are both Johan and Pheles still inside the van? And, they are actually convey the message to Kazumi through dream, right?
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Is there any reason for the denizens to attack the van? Due to the command of Pirsoyn?
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I don't think Yuji/SnH ordered this, since he still cares about Kazumi.
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2012-03-02, 19:50 | Link #9 | |
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On that end I don't see how Yuji could be upset at this. The Flame Hazes plan is interesting though. If you want to go to the new world, that's great, but this is a reminder of what'll happen if you ever dare set foot here. In that case Earth will become a "forbidden zone" or that "the land where the boogeyman lives" where the Denizens will believe that there exists monsters that will tear them to pieces if they ever set foot on it. It's not perfect but it's a good way for the Flame Hazes to ensure that the new world will not affect the old one in any way. |
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2012-03-02, 20:04 | Link #10 | |
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Too much tying-up of side-stories is gonna be done... seems like there was too much of them at the expense of the main story focus, Yuji and Shana. Needs a rewrite to tone them down a bit, decreasing unnecessary detail. |
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2012-03-02, 23:09 | Link #11 |
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10/10
I give a high score because finally I can understand a lot of things that talking is very important... and Shana's plan to alter Xanadu is very simple honestly, I'm still thinking that Ramies was ordered to give Taimei Shihen to Wilhelmina by Yuji because he hope Shana will do this job... each one of Flame Haze has different reasoning for joining this battle then because most of their plan has been finished and that's a very scary resolution from Gods of Earth... so their goal is to kick out the general and make them to be frightened by the might of Flame Haze power maybe in Xanadu, if somehow there is a tomogara eats human, Flame Haze will be summoned to spread fear once again... hahaha they don't show most of Gods of Earth's battle because looks like they're winning easily... Haborym and Ribesal really can't keep up with them now, I want to see how Sale-Chiara will defeat Dantalion-Mammon.. both of them are too dangerous for Xanadu I'm glad that Johan-Pheles still considering Wilhelmina as their friend... now, are they planning to be in Xanadu to maintain Johan's existence??? or maybe they already given up?? and where are they right now?? Yuji and Shana expression in the end of episode is very good... because of their battle, Yoshida is sacrificed.... hahaha... I hope to see two of them will head toward the van to check Yoshida's condition before continuing their battle 3 more episode.... and I'm looking for a full episode for Yuji and Shana's battle |
2012-03-03, 00:13 | Link #13 |
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10/10
Yeah this episode sent chills down my spine, it pretty much validated and subverted every character trope known to mankind. Lets go through the series that flashed through my head as i watched this, Steins gate (Same Scientist, naturally occurring the wrath of chessmasters and puppet masters alike) Haruhi Suzumiya (I guess that role goes to Sekai Yuji, what offset me here is how the laws of vengeance with the four gods were pushed completely beyond their limits, it sounds like nothing but plain hitler-ism at this point, the closed eye persona does not help matters ) Monster (At first i thought it was just a coincidence hearing the name of Johan but after that king speech i'm not so sure, it looks like he is able to see the field of blades as shown in -Fate stay night- -Kami no Puzzle- -Kuroshitsuji- this usually occurs when a chessmasters battle turns into anarchy, the only way out of this is to find a way to break the entire chessboard) D gray man tvtrope summaries Code Geass Guilty Crown. Whew so intense, while restraining my self from humming a tone that so desperately needs to be said, KAZUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMI!!!
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2012-03-03, 08:08 | Link #14 | |
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2012-03-03, 09:47 | Link #15 |
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Y U CLIFFHANGER
It wasn't really boring even though there are too many chit-chat thingys. Like~Yami~ said we understand more things now. I really love Johann & Pheles!!! PERFECT COUPLE!!!! I nearly cried when Johann said that he's going to disappear.... It felt really heavy in my heart. So Dantalion is Sale's father...... Yey!!! Lerajie & Orbas, Mammon IN ACTION!! YEY!! Even though I don't like Kazumi...... when the car exploded I almost shouted "KAZUMIIIIII!!!! KHAMSIN-SAN!!!" and I was like -> + but oh well..... Argh 3 more episodes and IT IS DONE |
2012-03-03, 15:30 | Link #17 |
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They skip so much yet they leave the ED? Wtf are they doing, 1-2 minutes can definitely make a difference, especially when this is it.
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2012-03-03, 16:31 | Link #18 | |
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Most if not all of the Flame Hazes became that because they were wronged by the Denizens one way or the other. South Valley must've really been beaten badly a long time ago to have that much hatred. I don't see anything wrong with them changing the law to have it so that the Denizens cannot eat humans....I'm more suprised that Yuji didn't even put that in in the first place to begin with which I suppose lends to Johan's lecture about him being so uptight about it. And they want to instill as much fear and terror into the Denizens so that their descendants will not forget the crimes and punishments that awaits them if they ever dared set foot on Earth again. Yuji created Xanadu, the Flame Hazes simply continued in their duties by making sure that down the road the new world wouldn't affect the old worlds or at least minimize the risks. |
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2012-03-03, 19:40 | Link #19 | |
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Maybe SnH let Yuji help with the execution of the plan, but he didn't let him change any of the rules for the new world. As we could see this episode, he seems to think that as their god, he is the one who should bring the tomogara happiness. He doesn't want anyone else to alter his plans. SnH is making the world for the tomogara after all, so I guess he cares less about the humans than Yuji does.
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2012-03-03, 21:11 | Link #20 | |
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At that point, he had become a mystes, since he is a torch with a hougu, which is Reiji Maigo. I cannot understand why he was slowing drying within the hougu. He could just take a portion of power of existence, generated from Reiji Maigo, to cure his injury. After all, he is the creator of Reiji Maigo.
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