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Old 2023-08-02, 19:34   Link #81
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Good on Koji. Yeah, he's lived his life letting others dictate things for him and going with the flow. In part because he is the weakest within the family. Though could argue his powers never developed because accepted his position. But regardless of his flaws, he still stepped up here. While he would certainly be happier with Miyo, I think he's just confirming that Miyo couldn't be happy getting married into his family. Though he may not be thinking that far ahead. In the end he couldn't forgive how his father callously allowed Miyo's situation because it benefited him. At the very least he's refusing to be selfish. Miyo over Kaya for sure. But he cares more about Miyo's happiness than his own. He may not have been the right guy for this situation, but he is a good guy. Hopefully he isn't stuck with Kaya in the end.

And credit to him for not being an idiot. He already lost to his father once. Getting fired up and charging in would just waste his brother helping him out. Instead he makes the hard but necessary choice. Turning to Kiyoka was the best possible move. Not only is that guy powerful enough to get the job done, but he's got some authority. I'm not sure if kidnapping via supernatural powers is technically within his authority to act, but if so...he can bring an army in on this! Otherwise he can just stomp on his own. Though I think at minimum Godo will be going along too.

God Kaya is just utterly pathetic. An absolute fool beyond measure. It's hard to truly express how stupid she is. In part doing this because she realized Koyoka is hot so...yeah. The other part being that she can't accept Miyo being happier than her. But that would happen anyways!? Whatever way things would end up Miyo's happiness would be higher, because Kiyoka would kick her to the curb. He probably will before this is over! Just to get her out of the way.

The really hilarious thing is how small Kaya's worldview is. She thinks this is something her father can dictate . No clue whatsoever. Obviously part of that is her father refusing to explain things. He doesn't want to reveal how utterly pathetic he is to his daughter and have her realize that he isn't the ruler of the world here . There is nothing for him to do. He would have been lucky to get any money out of Miyo getting married. At this point he'll be lucky if his family's disgusting behavior isn't brought into the light. Kaya being connected to this kidnapping makes her family responsible. This could get very messy.

At least Miyo did get to do some nice things before...everything went badly.
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Old 2023-08-03, 09:44   Link #82
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I'm not quite sure how I felt about this episode. I'm definitely not as positive about it as the others.

So for the second episode in a row...Miyo is allowed to be in clear danger again. If it was clear the amulet was so important:

1. Why wasn't Yurie instructed to make sure Miyo did have it?
2. Why didn't Kikoya quickly check Miyo did have it?
3. Why wouldn't Kiyoka have given Yurie more insight on what happened to Miyo while in the Saimori house after what happened in Episode 4?

This premise of having Miyo either being left alone or going somewhere she was in clear danger to, occurring two episodes in a row, feels very thin.

Kaya is getting rather one-dimensional. Really wouldn't surprise me if the Saimori household end up disowning her over what's about to happen. Tatsuishi seems more than ready to have Kaya take the fall for all of this. Which would inevitably send Kaya on a pseudo-woman pseudo-scorned rampage.

It's a bit irritating to see the supernatural aspects barely get a mention/view then suddenly matter so much this episode. Feels like a lot is being left on the table unless there's an inevitable revelation that Miyo has far more that is apparent as eluded to previously. Also, is there a particular reason using chloroform suddenly de-cloaked one of the kidnappers...That seemed very odd that capturing and trying to restrain someone didn't break it, yet that particular action did.

Koji tried to do something finally? I'll believe it when I see it. And I might start to believe in him when he finally ditches the notion that only he can save Miyo and that he is worthy of her in any way. Words and feelings mean very little - only actions do. I sincerely hope Kiyoka shows him how to man up and take responsibility next episode.
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Old 2023-08-03, 11:47   Link #83
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I was surprised Miyo wasn't continuously wearing the amulet around her neck ever since Kiyoka gave it to her. Isn't that the norm?

Raeliana was kidnapped as well. Seems to be a requirement of these types of shoujo romances. Happened to Shuurei in Saiunkoku Monogatari, too.
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Old 2023-08-03, 11:56   Link #84
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The powerful houses value their social statue based on their psychic power. The Cinderella girl must have some potential to shift the balance. Her mother worried about her and told her to endure for a little longer. It is somewhat refreshing to see mixing of psychic bickery and love fight.
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Old 2023-08-03, 15:27   Link #85
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I'm not quite sure how I felt about this episode. I'm definitely not as positive about it as the others.

So for the second episode in a row...Miyo is allowed to be in clear danger again. If it was clear the amulet was so important:

1. Why wasn't Yurie instructed to make sure Miyo did have it?
2. Why didn't Kikoya quickly check Miyo did have it?
3. Why wouldn't Kiyoka have given Yurie more insight on what happened to Miyo while in the Saimori house after what happened in Episode 4?

This premise of having Miyo either being left alone or going somewhere she was in clear danger to, occurring two episodes in a row, feels very thin.

Kaya is getting rather one-dimensional. Really wouldn't surprise me if the Saimori household end up disowning her over what's about to happen. Tatsuishi seems more than ready to have Kaya take the fall for all of this. Which would inevitably send Kaya on a pseudo-woman pseudo-scorned rampage.

It's a bit irritating to see the supernatural aspects barely get a mention/view then suddenly matter so much this episode. Feels like a lot is being left on the table unless there's an inevitable revelation that Miyo has far more that is apparent as eluded to previously. Also, is there a particular reason using chloroform suddenly de-cloaked one of the kidnappers...That seemed very odd that capturing and trying to restrain someone didn't break it, yet that particular action did.

Koji tried to do something finally? I'll believe it when I see it. And I might start to believe in him when he finally ditches the notion that only he can save Miyo and that he is worthy of her in any way. Words and feelings mean very little - only actions do. I sincerely hope Kiyoka shows him how to man up and take responsibility next episode.
Kiyoka asked Miyo if she had it and she replied that she did, thinking she did have it. I think both Miyo and Yurie were just so excited at visiting Kiyoka at his work that they took it for granted that Miyo had the amulet.

Koji went to Kiyoka for help, I think that's a big step. He realized he was powerless to save Miyo by himself so he went to the one person who he knows can do something about it, even if it's also the person who has Miyo while he doesn't.
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I was surprised Miyo wasn't continuously wearing the amulet around her neck ever since Kiyoka gave it to her. Isn't that the norm?

Raeliana was kidnapped as well. Seems to be a requirement of these types of shoujo romances. Happened to Shuurei in Saiunkoku Monogatari, too.
Aileen and Bakarina were also kidnapped numerous times in their shows.
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Old 2023-08-03, 17:17   Link #86
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shoujo's first kidnapping is practically a rite of passage
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Old 2023-08-03, 18:01   Link #87
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Kiyoka asked Miyo if she had it and she replied that she did, thinking she did have it. I think both Miyo and Yurie were just so excited at visiting Kiyoka at his work that they took it for granted that Miyo had the amulet.
I'd say Yurie made a major mistake choosing to hurry home after finding out Miyo didn't have the amulet instead of telling Kiyoka about it. It would have taken two minutes and he would had someone escort them home. Maybe even gone himself.
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Yurie probably didn't wanna bother him too much at work. And the two of them aren't very supernatural trained at all, so they both think its just a good luck charm, not an actual protection spell. Miyo wants to go get it just because she sees it as an important keepsake Kiyoka gave her.
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Old 2023-08-03, 18:15   Link #89
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Yurie probably didn't wanna bother him too much at work. And the two of them aren't very supernatural trained at all, so they both think its just a good luck charm, not an actual protection spell. Miyo wants to go get it just because she sees it as an important keepsake Kiyoka gave her.
Yurie seems to have been serving the Kudos for a very long time, I doubt she was unaware of the true importance of the amulet. Why would she have suggested they hurry home otherwise?
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I'd say Yurie made a major mistake choosing to hurry home after finding out Miyo didn't have the amulet instead of telling Kiyoka about it. It would have taken two minutes and he would had someone escort them home. Maybe even gone himself.
Exactly. Given how much Kiyoka legitimately cares, it isn't like he wouldn't listen to them.

This whole situation has been enabled over glaringly bad decisions in episodes 4 and 5. And it irks me because they have established Kiyoka as somehow who is meticulous and does everything he can to ensure nothing goes wrong. It doesn't reflect well on Yurie either. Why leave Kiyoka alone when buying salt - there's no valid reason to, particularly if your #1 role is to care for Miyo when Kiyoka is at work. Kiyoka makes sure to check Miyo had the amulet and trusts what they say, only to find out they didn't? The guy may be sometimes cold and blunt, but he has compassion for those who are honest and deserve it.

It's these inconsistencies that really irk me. It's utterly prevalent in modern writing. Intentionally enabling something to go wrong with a sudden lapse in reason that makes no sense and had an option to remedy it is not good.
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Old 2023-08-04, 08:50   Link #91
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What Yurie could even do? She is just old servant. So far we didn’t see any implication she can fight of bunch of magicians. Plus Myo is adult, she may be pathetic and have zero self-esteem, but pretty even she can be left five minutes alone.

Only actual issue is that she forgot talisman and kidnappers sized that chance and even that's not contrived. With such small object it's inevitable it would soon or later happen.
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Yurie seems to have been serving the Kudos for a very long time, I doubt she was unaware of the true importance of the amulet. Why would she have suggested they hurry home otherwise?
I don't think she realized exactly what it did, just that if Kiyoka was insistent she have it they would probably be better off going home and getting it.
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Old 2023-08-06, 00:32   Link #93
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Loving the anime.. was waiting for it for a long time although I think the english voice actor for kiyoka could be a little more fluid, the Japanese voice actor is spot on .It's pretty much faithful to the novel... I'll supplement a little

-In episode 3 where Kiyoka uses his powers before going home, he said who would be so bold, that it was child's play and then burned some shikigami that were spying on him. I think it was at that point that he knew it must have something to do with Miyo, most likely because of the report he had just read on her. Since she was home most of the time he didn't need to worry because there is a barrier around his house, when she was with him he could protect her but the moment she wanted to go out alone with Yuri he gave her the amulet/charm. The charm hides her presence so that Shikigami can't see, find, nor detect her. That's why (in episode 4/5) Kouji's father couldn't find her when he tried to use his shikigami but Kaya saw her with hers because Miyo wasn't in the house nor had the charm on her.

-In episode 3 when Kiyoka got the report on Miyo, they had him speaking with the detective, his thoughts were not monologued, so the anime could not convey his feelings, as a result, a very touching and important piece of information got missed. (i can't recall him speaking with a detective in the book but he did have her investigated and got the report) . From reading the report Kiyoka realized that Miyo thought she was not right for him because she didn't have an ability/gift, and he read about her abuse, her life, and her mother being an usaba. he puts his head in his hands and thinks & feels that he is the worse person of all because he did the same as them by treating her badly and telling her that she was trying to poison him and to go die, and hates himself for saying those things to her, but then goes on to say that Miyo is wrong, and that some of his potential marriage partners had no gifts/abilities at all, and that she is more than qualified to be with him (more than anyone) because she is of the Usuba bloodline, which is the rarest, very powerful, they have the most terrifying ability of all, and they can not be found. It's a mental ability that can invade your dreams, illusions, and telekinesis truly frightening, he cringes at the thought. I can't say more than that because that was all he thought at that time. more will be learned in future episodes

-sometime after kaya finds out about miyo and kiyoka's marriage being made official. she starts thinking about how when she was in school /at gathering something like that - she always heard everyone talk about the kudou's and how powerful they are and a couple of other ability families but not her family, this thought upsets her even more and she thinks it should be her and not miyo marrying kiyoka. Take what Miyos father says and does in the anime at face value. since miyo doesn't have a gift and Kaya does he needs the family line to continue so Kouji must marry into their family to continue the family line, he has an ability and his family is lesser than the saimoris. there is no way kiyoka will marry into their family because his status is much, much higher than there's.

I must admit, I really love Kiyoka's character because he is insightful to a fault and Miyo did exactly what her mother told her to do in episode 1/2 which was to survive, Can't wait for the next episode

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Old 2023-08-09, 10:00   Link #94
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It's bad enough that Miyo's been kidnapped, but she has to be stuck with the two people who hate her the most, her step-mother and Kaya? Can this girl never catch a break .

I do find it kind of funny they thought it was a good idea to stash a kidnapped fiance to a high-ranking military official in the Saimori household as if that totally wouldn't blow up in their faces. It didn't even seem like Miyo's dad was in on the kidnapping plot at all, but it blew up in his face all the same. I call that karma .

They can abuse, threaten, and demean Miyo all they want now...this time she's not going to give in to them. She's finally found happiness, she's finally found someone who believes in and cherishes her, and she's not about to throw that away for the sake of two irrational and spiteful women no matter what they do to her. You tell 'em Miyo !

Well, the Saimori's will need to get a new door. And entire compound. Kiyoka was acting so stoic and reasonable up until something got in his way and then the lightning came out .

The two evil dads team-up to try and take Kiyoka down, which goes about as well for them as you'd expect. I imagine the old farts aren't weak when it comes to their powers which makes it all the more impressive that Kiyoka just shrugged off everything they threw at him and hit them with some divine electricity .

Jeez, Tatsuishi just does not know when to give up. And he got the Saimori household burned to the ground in the process and a Kirin for his trouble. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy and family .

Miyo's step-mother has now basically lost everything she took pride in and Kaya is still acting like she's completely blameless because it's just not right that her sister should be happy or should have something that she can't. But Kiyoka has no time to coddle such vain and arrogant woman and tells her to her face how terrible she is and just takes Miyo away. Koji only ever bothers to save her because of Miyo. She was completely upstaged by her sister in every way that counts .

Is that Noriko Hidaka as Miyo's mother? Miyo is practically the spitting image of her. And considering her mothers' words...it seems like Miyo DOES have powers, she just hasn't tapped into them yet. Which makes me wonder what she can do .

So it wasn't just Tatsuishi who was after Miyo, it seems like someone really high up (not the Emperor?) is after her bloodline and wants to take Kiyoka out too. Guess the trouble isn't completely over for this couple .

But for now they're back home, Miyo is safe, and she's able to stop blaming herself and be happy that she's at a home that welcomes her with the man she loves, and that's enough .
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while I'm always happy to see karma working her charm, I feel that it wasn't enough. It just wasn't enough.

I wonder if koji will humble kaya. I'll find that extremely difficult.
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I got pretty much everything I wanted out of this episode. Miyo standing up to her stepmother (should have known she'd get involved) and sister, and Kiyoka destroying anything in his path to rescue Miyo and calling Kaya off for what she is.

I thought Miyo's reaction to the torture was well done. Not too meek, not too headstrong. It was very in character for her.

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while I'm always happy to see karma working her charm, I feel that it wasn't enough. It just wasn't enough.

I wonder if koji will humble kaya. I'll find that extremely difficult.
We have yet to see the fallout. I'm at the very least hoping the Saimoris will lose their standing and end up as peasants. It's exactly the medicine Kaya and her mother need. Tatsuishi dad may end up in jail for his crimes. He probably broke a ton of laws just using his powers against Kiyoka.
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We have yet to see the fallout. I'm at the very least hoping the Saimoris will lose their standing and end up as peasants. It's exactly the medicine Kaya and her mother need. Tatsuishi dad may end up in jail for his crimes. He probably broke a ton of laws just using his powers against Kiyoka.
At the very least losing their entire household will set them back quite a bit. How much of this comes out to the public will be interesting to see, I guess it depends on whether Kiyoka plans to make sure they bear the full weight of kidnapping Miyo.

The Saimori's lifeline might just be Koji taking pity on them (especially Kaya) for Miyo's sake.
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can't wait for the two to suffer the worst villainess bad ends other isekais only mention. no soul isekais to save them this series.

Wish Kiyoka would have zapped those a little as he passed by.
Kaya is so dumb and naive, who cares if she had some spirit-sight, doesn't look like she trains at all. And even then, it looks like the female's role is to just be married off and carry on the bloodlines. Its not like she's gonna be in an actual military powers position.
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My thoughts on the early part of this episode "hang on ladies, let me get you the shovel you need to dig your own graves." Stupidity is too weak to fully describe Kaya and her mother. Absolute morons.

Though idiot of the year might end up going to Koji's father. It's one thing to be so stupidly arrogant to think he stood a chance once...but he actually went back in for Round 2 . That is hilarious. The only thing that moron managed to accomplish was burning down the Saimori family estate .

The whole situation is kind of hilarious when it comes to Miyo's father since he was utterly blindsided by this whole situation. He basically walks out the front door and into a natural disaster . Obviously he absolutely deserves this based on past behavior. But it is hilarious how he had nothing to do with this specific situation. He's going to have to hope the dowry offer is still on the table since everything he has is going up in flames now .

I wish Koji was cruel enough to just leave Kaya to burn and maybe trip her mother into the burning buildings on his way out...But fair enough. He's probably right. Miyo would probably still feel a bit bad if she heard her sister burned to death. It'd be a justified end, but he's still probably right.

Who knows what state those families are going to be into after this. One basically just had their estate go up in flames due to the other family. And both were deeply involved in a kidnapping and assault that nearly killed Miyo. This isn't a cute little mishap that can be shrugged off.

Loved the rescue. Loved the badass Kiyoka just marching in there to save the day. It was just all fantastic. And especially proud of Miyo in refusing to break. She was done being their plaything. Even if she was helpless, she'd at least refuse to betray her feelings and Kiyoka.

Obviously there are hints at Miyo really having some kind of power and there being more forces at play. Probably ones that will be able to put some pressure on Kiyoka.
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Whelp that was a nice ending for this series. Had all the emotional components that all great series had at their end. Miyo being around the people who greatly care about her is the best ending for this series, and I will eagerly await the next season /s .

Seriously though, that was an episode =03. Would have made for a great season ender.

First off, I was really impressed with the supernatural effects. The show already looked pretty, but when I started this series, I wouldn't have expected a battle, let alone a battle animated at this caliber. There were a few obvious shortcuts, like repeat frames with the wind, but not excessively so; only when convenient. I particularly enjoyed the way the lightning was animated. Real flashy stuff.

Second, I'm really glad Miyo hung in there and resisted to the end. She obviously doesn't have any combat abilities or even basic strength to resist dandies like Kaya and her mother. However, she at least stood firm that she does love Kiyoka, and that no matter what happened, she would never renounce that love. It would have been a figurative slap to Kiyoka's face if she did.

I loved the way Kiyoka put Kaya in her place. Basically had a

moment. Twas glorious. Though I also agree with HandofFate in that it would have been even better if Kaya and her mom got that bolt to the breast instead of just a figurative slap to the face, but I'll take what I can get .

With that good stuff out of the way, I have to say the whole supernatural concepts, as well as the hierarchy of families not being fully explained(at least not yet) makes things a bit confusing to me. The Kudo household seems to be very powerful, but I can't tell if they are being looked down upon or are they revered for their strength. Also, it seems a bit much the main commander of the supernatural force can just cause such a commotion(albeit granted due to circumstance) and not have political ramifications. Especially if both the Taishushi and Saimori family are prominent members of the supernatural community, which I would assume they are given their housing(though even this is difficult to tell as we don't really get too many scenes of the city or people's housing within it). Does Kiyoka just get to do what he wants, with no backlash? Do the other families have that same privilege? It feels like there's this large interesting world, but most of the events happen in the households or the supernatural force base. Sure there were a few moments of outside events going on(date into the city, shopping w/Yurie), but it hardly paints the picture of what kind of world this really is. Not that I'm really complaining mind you, as I am enjoying the story. Its just that I'd like to know how the world works a little more so that the significance of events, esp major ones, are properly defined in regards to the scope they will have in the story.
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