Jujutsu Kaisen <Sorcery Fight>

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Originally Posted by Kanon

Yuta mentioning Maki made me realize I had forgotten about her. What is she even doing right now?

I personally like the theory that she's hiding inside Rika to launch a surprise blow against Sukuna.

Originally Posted by Kanon

The problem is that it's not really his combat prowess that has allowed him to survive the last few chapters. His cursed tool getting sealed instead of his CT was pure luck

Even if they had taken Shrine, he would have just used the flame technique instead. It wouldn't have made much of a difference.

as was the executioner's sword disappearing before hitting him instead of getting stronger after Higuruma's death.

It didn't. He dodged the attack, then the sword disappeared.

[Shadow5YA]

Except this is a story written with purpose by an individual. The flashbacks and expressions were drawn as if Higuruma knew what he was doing, fully expecting Yuji to finish the job, not a desperate gamble that he wasn't sure how it would turn out.
His expression as he gave Yuji the tool was one of making peace of his fate, not anxiety.

[Golden Lily]

I'm not even sure what are you trying to say. Just because he had a flashback where he was speculating about his abilities means that he was somehow right?
Genius as he was, he's still a newbie in Jujutsu world, he didn't consider all of options (that his technique would confiscate tool, not technique) and it bit him in the butt.

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Except this is a story written with purpose by an individual. The flashbacks and expressions were drawn as if Higuruma knew what he was doing, fully expecting Yuji to finish the job, not a desperate gamble that he wasn't sure how it would turn out.
His expression as he gave Yuji the tool was one of making peace of his fate, not anxiety.

Except he doesn't know what he's doing.

Higuruma was a genius, but his lack of experience bites him in the ass. That was a core part of his character.

Even that flashback with Kasukabe was him applying his own layman's understanding of curses with Kasukabe giving a non-committal response. He didn't know what would happen.

That last look he gave Yuji was just pure faith, not certainty. He simply believed that Yuji would inherit his will and move forward, the same way Nanami did.

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Kanon

The problem is that it's not really his combat prowess that has allowed him to survive the last few chapters. His cursed tool getting sealed instead of his CT was pure luck, as was the executioner's sword disappearing before hitting him instead of getting stronger after Higuruma's death. Those are not things he could have anticipated, yet it all worked in his favor. He has giant plot armor.

This honestly.

Sukuna is said to be experienced and skilled but ...

Against Gojo who already recovered his output via Black Flash;
His hand and mouth burnt, somehow got enough time to launch dimensional slash with no chant and handseal.
His enemy who possess Six Eyes and should be able to saw spark as well somehow unable to react on it despite portrayed to be cautious from start.

Against Kashimo, Kashimo somehow unable to think of any moves after he became lightning-man.
Spent some of his time daydreaming about how awesome it is to be Jujutsu sorcerer with four arms and two mouths compare to a lightning-man.

Against Higuruma, probably the most hilarious.
Kamutoke confiscated instead of Shrine; Judgement Sword have no post-mortem effect, but Kamutoke completely gone.
Meanwhile Nanami CT lingers on his hatchet for months, reliable enough Ino used it as equipment to fight Sukuna alongside others.

Why suddenly Higuruma's DE theorized as roulette? He killed twenty sorcerers in Culling Game to get into #1 position.
If his ability is roulette then he would need to use his domain more than twice against Yuji similar to how Hakari may launch 4-5 DE in one fight to get Jackpot.

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Originally Posted by Tactics

Why suddenly Higuruma's DE theorized as roulette?

His DE was like that since day 1.

He killed twenty sorcerers in Culling Game to get into #1 position.

They literally explained this though. Just confiscating the cursed technique from the scrubs he killed during Culling Game was enough to mess up the CE control to the point that killing them was easy.

If his ability is roulette then he would need to use his domain more than twice against Yuji similar to how Hakari may launch 4-5 DE in one fight to get Jackpot.

Or he was just lucky.

[Tactics]

What random is only case for trial picked by Judgeman and evidence in case there are multiple evidence.
When it comes to confiscated CT there's no explanation but Higuruma speculated it may became 50:50 between 10S and Shrine in Sukuna case as Judgeman account Sukuna's CT and crime as Yuji's CT and crime for their second trial.

Higuruma also never said he fought scrubs.

He only mentioned, based on his experiences, sorcerers usually become dependent on their CT.
So when Judgeman took their CT often they're weakened to the point he can kill them with ease;
There are some who also good at hand-to-hand combat, but his CE usually enough to cover for it.

Made him realized that Itadori capability is never result of CT/CE but purely his own physical strength.

[Golden Lily]

Originally Posted by Tactics

When it comes to confiscated CT there's no explanation but Higuruma speculated it may became 50:50 between 10S and Shrine in Sukuna case as Judgeman account Sukuna's CT and crime as Yuji's CT and crime for their second trial.

50/50 is still based on luck. Also, Higuruma was (falsely) convinced that 10S won't be confiscated since he already assumed it's gone.

The point is that if he himself is speculating about how his own ability works why we should apply strict rules to how it works on our own?

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Golden Lily

50/50 is still based on luck. Also, Higuruma was (falsely) convinced that 10S won't be confiscated since he already assumed it's gone.

The point is that if he himself is speculating about how his own ability works why we should apply strict rules to how it works on our own?

That's not what happened when he explained it to Kusakabe and others.

Higuruma thought 10S won't be part of confiscation target if they can narrow the case to Shibuya Massacre.
This is true to his and our experience as reader because Yuji second trial became possible as Sukuna's crime and CT acknowledged as Yuji's crime and CT by Judgeman.
Proof of this is Higuruma immediately knew about Sukuna despite Yuji never told him anything past, "Fight me, I need 100 Points or you can help me change the rules".

Even so he still warned everyone its not 100% but 50:50 gamble.

This also true to his introduction because acknowledgement of Sukuna's crime came after Yuji's pachinko case;
There's no telling if confiscation priority goes to Megumi (original owner of body) or Sukuna (current user of body).

Kusakabe fine with that since 10S is also a strong ability on its own and there's no telling how many 10S remains if Sukuna wins against Gojo.

Just because it might miss against individual with two or more CT, doesn't mean its a Russian Roulette ability to begin with.
How many individuals with more than one CT again? Not to mention the "Free From Jail" card turned out to be Kamutoke instead of 10S.

[Golden Lily]

No, he already knew that Sukuna has most likely lost 10S

Spoiler:

[Tactics]

Originally Posted by Golden Lily

No, he already knew that Sukuna has most likely lost 10S

Spoiler:

Still doesn't make him as terrible as you said.

He's speculating outcome of trial against someone with multiple CT and souls.
How many Culling Games players on his colony got same traits?

Not to mention he's not certain, just highly possible so he's still wary about whatever Sukuna may got on his pocket.
His assumptions is fair in consideration to his experience ... that magically never met Cursed Tools owner in Culling Games.

[Golden Lily]

I think we kinda derailed the original topic, my claim wasn't that Higuruma is terrible at all, it's just that he's an inexperienced sorcerer (with a lot of potential) and that's why it shouldn't come as a surprise that a seasoned sorcerer like Sukuna won against him, especially if his technique is rather situational.

[Mad Pierrot]

I think the whole inexperienced but with potential is a cliche this series uses a lot to hype characters only to kill them off dramatically. The potential is often brought up by comparing such character to Gojo. The only time they used such cliche in a negative fashion was when Choso said Yuta can't defeat Kenjaku because he had around the same power as Yuki Tsukumo.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Tactics

His assumptions is fair in consideration to his experience ... that magically never met Cursed Tools owner in Culling Games.

Why is it unusual that he never ran into cursed tools, much less special grade ones in Culling Games? Where would newbie sorcerers or reincarnated sorcerers get them?

[Kanon]

The point isn't that Higuruma didn't anticipate Judgeman would seal Cursed Tools over CT. It's that Sukuna didn't either and simply ended up lucky it worked out that way. Would have been better if he had tricked Higuruma or taken advantage of a loophole.

[Golden Lily]

But it did end up sealing his Cursed Tool...so what's exactly the issue here? Again, even Higuruma didn't predict that his OWN ability would confiscate Cursed Tool, so why would Sukuna either?

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Golden Lily

But it did end up sealing his Cursed Tool...so what's exactly the issue here? Again, even Higuruma didn't predict that his OWN ability would confiscate Cursed Tool, so why would Sukuna either?

Because the Cursed Tool didn't matter. Sealing his Cursed Technique would have hindered him a lot more.

[Golden Lily]

Doesn't change the fact it doesn't contradict the way Higuruma's technique works, which is what we're debating here.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Golden Lily

Doesn't change the fact it doesn't contradict the way Higuruma's technique works, which is what we're debating here.

Not me. What I've been trying to say all along is that Sukuna has plot armor. Even things he has no control over, like Higuruma's technique, work in his favor.

[Golden Lily]

It could also work in Higuruma's favor...again, this is not only something that works 50/50, but he literally had just one fight until now and we had no idea how it would work against someone with Cursed Tool.
This isn't plot armor, but mere luck.