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View Poll Results: Macross Delta - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 4 | 13.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 13 | 43.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 23.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 10.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 6.67% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 3.33% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2016-06-19, 03:13 | Link #161 |
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So issue with Mirage is she is realistic and approachable instead of super special and quirky?
To be honest she is my favorite character especially because former. If she was RL person I would probably bat for her after getting her know a bit (I can't say that about many anime girls, even among my personal top 10)
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2016-06-19, 03:15 | Link #162 | |
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2016-06-19, 03:26 | Link #164 | |
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Yeah, because for me the only similarity with MF is exactly Ranka/Frejya, being Frejya a better version of Ranka (that personally I didn't like). And maybe Hayate a less mature version of Alto to match with Frejya (instead of Sheryl). But that's it. If we want play the comparison game, I kinda see Delta more close to Aquarion Evol, with Amata/Mikono as main characters and zess/Mirage as a characterization gone wrong (or in this case hijaked). In any case I said what I thought and it's fine to have different opinions after all. What doesn't help me is that I don't like the Ranka/Frejya archetype to begin with, the maho shojo one, so it's kinda a barrier for me, a tad too irrealistic for me. edit: yeah Mirage and Messer were the one I can connect better for being more down to earth. Like Tenzen was saying.
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2016-06-19, 04:07 | Link #165 | ||
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Mirage is not "getting nerfed" for pete's sake. And she's not Freyja's rival, that's Mikumo, both as a singer and in popularity. (Look at all the romantic developments on the Freyja/Hayate/Mirage front - yeah, that's about the extent of their "rivalry". And for that matter I'm still fairly certain that Mirage will end up with Hayate.) She has been given screentime and characterization - it's not really the writers' fault that some people went into this with different expectations and now feel let down because so far they're not getting what they expected and "their" girl is not getting the push they want. If I look around among non-hardcore fans, people seem to like Mirage just well and don't think she's being sacrificed or whatever. Mirage is not a non-entity, she just hasn't been in focus on her own (Hayate is pulling her along nicely) so far because the story hasn't called for it. But even so, Mirage is not the main heroine, it's Freyja. So the story is about Freyja and her struggles as a Walküre and as a Windermerean and so on and so forth. That's not "getting nerfed" that's "we have 25 episodes and need to decide what we'll focus on". Quote:
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2016-06-19, 04:32 | Link #166 |
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@kuromitsu: I wasn't taking it seriously, I was just explaining the gist, as much as for the Aquarion evol comparison, no similarities between the main chars of course
Edit: but i agree that, at least for me, is also a matter of expectations. I kinda was expecting a three main char show, balancing the more magical side with the soldier serious one. The good news is that i'm going on holiday starting from tomorrow so I won't bother to the subforum for a while
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2016-06-19, 05:37 | Link #167 | |
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Hayate isn't a more "childish Alto" either. If you actually watched the first Macross, Hikaru was also obsessed with flying and disregarded the military, looking down on them in the beginning. Alto didn't make up that "archetype." (And by the way, nobody is saying Kawamori isn't biased. He loves his idols. Whatever favoritism has to do with this more than something specific on Mirage and Freyja, but about Walkure and everyone else. They needed to sell those cds).
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2016-06-19, 06:30 | Link #168 | |
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(If anything, to me Hayate is more like a nicer, more considerate and more well-adjusted Isamu, funnily enough. And the Freyja/Mirage duo still keeps reminding me of Basara and Gamlin. Then again, we know that Basara and Gamlin were more than friends... ) ^Edit: for that matter Gamlin also received less screentime and spotlight than Basara, because duh, he wasn't the focus character and the "idol" (as far as Basara can be considered an idol singer). I love Gamlin and I was rooting for him, and I would've appreciated more screentime for him, but he wasn't the central character, Basara was. Last edited by kuromitsu; 2016-06-19 at 06:42. |
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Sheryl by ep 11 had enough hints of a backstory to be tantalizing and teasing what would happen later, had a at this point smaller, yet existant story arc with consistent character development and had quite a lot of constant character growth, with a big jump forward in episode 12 already. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHH. No. No, he isn't. Thanks for the laugh, though. Quote:
His character development had done great leaps forward, too, given how he had made peace with Michael, gotten over his absolute dislike of his past as an actor being mentioned in episode 10 to help out with the filming of the movie and having come to a mutual armistice of sorts with Sheryl. There is simply no comparison to Hayate, who has no backstory to speak of, has had very sudden character growth spurts and, frankly, has therefore not much places to go as a character at this moment. However, events of the upcoming episode may change that, radically. But at this point, he is far, far less developed than Alto was at episode 11. Quote:
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