The Macross Universe - Analysis and Discussion

[ReddyRedWolf]

So did the SDF 1 got hijacked by Black Ravens and then later blown up by UN Spacy?

From what I know it was Macross 13 that was hijacked.

[Tak]

Oh dear goddess no, blowing up the SDF-1? That would be treason!

Not that it'd do very well against the newer Macross-class vessels anyway, but it was 13, not the SDF-1 that got hijacked.

- Tak

[squaresphere]

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

Didn't the Macross 5 fleet colonized the planet they named Lux first, and then were attacked and subjugated by the Varauta Empire/Protodevlin?



Macross 7 episode 26

Yep, i wonder what the suviors did after the final battle. Did they go back to reform teh M5 fleet or were they rolled up into the M7... though the M7 fleet was very poor shape after the final battle. Poor Battle 7

[ReddyRedWolf]

Well suppose M7 absorbed the M5 and Megaroad 13 colonists.

[Blue Reverie]

Originally Posted by Tak

There is no reason to suggest the NUNS as being an offshoot. If that was the case, it would have been surrounded and eliminated by the UN SPACY. The NUNS is simply a reorganized, upgraded version of the UN SPACY.

NUNS is likely the result of a Governmental and military reformation in the wake of the psuedo-civil war in the early 50s depicted in the VF-X-2 game (Which is canon). This war could also explain the seemingly poor condition of the NUN's state of readiness insofar as poor budgeting (and could also explain why the expensive VF-19 lost it's place as the next frontline fighter to the likely MUCH cheaper VF-171), however this could vary from fleet to fleet.

Each fleet is full of corporate goods and also full of Zentradi/Meltlandi ships, Macross Frontier being no exception. However, many of these are also reconfigured and/or upgraded, but at the very core, these are still Zentradi/Meltlandi ships, and not of new construction.

While it is true that the majority of the Megaroad colony fleet's escorts were modified and updated Zentraedi warships, it would appear that for the most part the Macross class/designation colony fleets are comprised of wholly new ship designs. The Bolognese Frigates and Guantanmo and Uraga class carriers used by the UN Spacy/NUNS are not Zentraedi ships, though there do exist variants of each that have a much more Zentraedi appearance than the standard type. These can be seen in the wholly Zentraedi built and populated (albeit mostly micronized) Macross 5 fleet, even Macross 5 itself has a Zeantraedi style to it's appearance. It's also worth noting that Macross 5's fleet also included at least two Neo Nupetiet-Vergnitzs bis Class Battleships.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by SymphonicRain

Sorry if this had been mentioned before, but I'm wondering if anyone discovered something curious when watching Macross Frontier.

The SDF2-Megaroad-01 is supposedly had vanished without a trace near the centre of the Galaxy, the very galaxy the Frontier is now approaching.

However, if anybody watched closely the travel route of Megaroad-01 in the beginning of Episode one (The map route of the colonies departing from earth), it made for a south-west direction initially before make a U-turn towards the galaxy. But before the scene zooms towards the galaxy and the M-Frontier, the Megaroad-01 makes a sudden U-turn again heading towards West instead of the Galaxy.

Any speculations made on this one yet?

Spoiler:

Spoiler for Megaroad-01:

When I read the stuff on Wikipedia and the Macross universe, I thought it was really really cheap to make Hikaru, Misa, their child as well as the whole Megaroad-1 to disappear just like that. I still feel it as cheap.

Now that I saw that map, there might be a chance for the Frontier to cross paths with the Megaroad-1 and for the truth to be discovered after so much time of speculation. I just hope now we'll have that answer someday and hopefully see either Hikaru and Misa, or their descendants among the survivors if any.

[.Mero]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

Spoiler for Megaroad-01:

When I read the stuff on Wikipedia and the Macross universe, I thought it was really really cheap to make Hikaru, Misa, their child as well as the whole Megaroad-1 to disappear just like that. I still feel it as cheap.

Now that I saw that map, there might be a chance for the Frontier to cross paths with the Megaroad-1 and for the truth to be discovered after so much time of speculation. I just hope now we'll have that answer someday and hopefully see either Hikaru and Misa, or their descendants among the survivors if any.

Why? Misa and Hikaru are legends in their own way. even though they where part of the 'main triangle' i honestly don't think they have very good story material, unlike the Jenius couple. But then again, i might be biased

But still, with their fate being a bit shrouded in mystery kind of adds up to their status as legends of the first Macross war.

[Key Board]

Hikaru's voice actor passed away and the studio has decided to never bring back Hikaru out of respect.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by .Mero

Why? Misa and Hikaru are legends in their own way. even though they where part of the 'main triangle' i honestly don't think they have very good story material, unlike the Jenius couple. But then again, i might be biased

But still, with their fate being a bit shrouded in mystery kind of adds up to their status as legends of the first Macross war.

I know. But after 40 years storywise and 25 years in normal time, I think it would be wise to uncover the mystery once and for all. I, for one, would like to see how grown up Hikaru and Misa's child (children) has (have) become.

Originally Posted by Key Board

Hikaru's voice actor passed away and the studio has decided to never bring back Hikaru out of respect.

A part of the answer might be there about Hikaru as you said, but I still think that the best thing would be an encounter with the Megaroad-1 survivors if any. At least, I would like to know about the descendants.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

I know. But after 40 years storywise and 25 years in normal time, I think it would be wise to uncover the mystery once and for all. I, for one, would like to see how grown up Hikaru and Misa's child (children) has (have) become.

A part of the answer might be there about Hikaru as you said, but I still think that the best thing would be an encounter with the Megaroad-1 survivors if any. At least, I would like to know about the descendants.

Lol I remember that episode where besides rumors flying Basara had romances with Rex and Mylene it also had a rumor that Basara was Hikaru and Minmei's son.

But hey lets wait and see, if not then the next series.

Hopefully the next Macross series would have the original Supervision Army.

Imagine going up against a pre-Macross gunships.

[4Tran]

I'd prefer if Megaroad-01 and all involved were to remain unexplored. It's nice to see a universe where there are continued mysteries that remain as mysteries, and the creators aren't in a rush to explain everything. This is the kind of storytelling that fleshes out a fictional universe and give it more of an organic feel.

I also think that the idea of closing a particular chapter and not going back to it is a good one from a creative standpoint - respecting the loss of Hase Arhiro just adds further incentive to not go back to this well again.

[aldw]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

I'd prefer if Megaroad-01 and all involved were to remain unexplored. It's nice to see a universe where there are continued mysteries that remain as mysteries, and the creators aren't in a rush to explain everything. This is the kind of storytelling that fleshes out a fictional universe and give it more of an organic feel.

I also think that the idea of closing a particular chapter and not going back to it is a good one from a creative standpoint - respecting the loss of Hase Arhiro just adds further incentive to not go back to this well again.

It wouldn't surprise me though if they ever did follow up on the fate of Megaroad-1, one just needs to look at Star Wars to see how things get expanded on for more story fodder.

[Haesslich]

Originally Posted by aldw

It wouldn't surprise me though if they ever did follow up on the fate of Megaroad-1, one just needs to look at Star Wars to see how things get expanded on for more story fodder.

... do you realize that you've given us the best reason ever NOT to revisit the Megaroad-1 and the heroes of the first Space War?

Seriously, there are some memories that are better left undefiled. Besides, it's not like they're running out of space and star systems to explore, or enemies for that matter, given that the Protoculture's fall leaves a whole bunch of possibilities for future developments. The Vajra are one such example, especially with how Kawamori's tying Zero into the timeline.

[Tak]

Exactly. The less we know about Megaroad 1 in the future, the better. Let Macross end on a good note, such is a fitting end to a wonderful franchise.

Although there is one thing Mr. Kawamori can do...

REMAKE DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE WITH MODERN UPDATES!

I also wouldn't mind if Kawamori redo the VF-1 Valkyries to resemble the VF-0 Phoenix.

- Tak

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by aldw

It wouldn't surprise me though if they ever did follow up on the fate of Megaroad-1, one just needs to look at Star Wars to see how things get expanded on for more story fodder.

There's plenty of ways to expand the Macross saga without going to the same well one more time. Macross Frontier is ample proof of that. It's also pretty obvious that Kawamori doesn't have any intention of using those old characters again, and it's sort of a bad idea in the real world since it'll break the Macross tradition of each story being separate from the others (except for additional OVAs or movies).

Originally Posted by Haesslich

Seriously, there are some memories that are better left undefiled. Besides, it's not like they're running out of space and star systems to explore, or enemies for that matter, given that the Protoculture's fall leaves a whole bunch of possibilities for future developments. The Vajra are one such example, especially with how Kawamori's tying Zero into the timeline.

At this point, we don't even know how much of Zero is going to be incorporated into Frontier. My suspicion is very little, and that it'll just be like Macross 7:

Spoiler for Macross 7:

Just as a movie-inside-a-show tongue-in-cheek reference.

Originally Posted by Tak

REMAKE DO YOU REMEMBER LOVE WITH MODERN UPDATES!

There's absolutely no need: the remastered DYRL looks absolutely gorgeous even though it's over twenty years old by now. In my opinion, there aren't a whole lot of hand-drawn animated works that look as good as it does.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

There's absolutely no need: the remastered DYRL looks absolutely gorgeous even though it's over twenty years old by now. In my opinion, there aren't a whole lot of hand-drawn animated works that look as good as it does.

Its not like making a new version means abandoning the old. I kind of want to see bigger space battles (one where ships actually trade fire extensively), computerized Valkyries and of course, an up-dated look of the VF-01.

After all, this is 2008, and since Macross is set in 2010+/-, a 2008 look might be a vast improvement over its 80s fashion in the 21st century

- Tak

[Cadorna]

i still want to see the vf-22 and vf-19 computarized

[aldw]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

There's plenty of ways to expand the Macross saga without going to the same well one more time. Macross Frontier is ample proof of that. It's also pretty obvious that Kawamori doesn't have any intention of using those old characters again, and it's sort of a bad idea in the real world since it'll break the Macross tradition of each story being separate from the others (except for additional OVAs or movies).

Well, if Macross followed the path of UC Gundam it can go either way in terms of presentation.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by aldw

Well, if Macross followed the path of UC Gundam it can go either way in terms of presentation.

blasphemy!

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Tak

Its not like making a new version means abandoning the old. I kind of want to see bigger space battles (one where ships actually trade fire extensively), computerized Valkyries and of course, an up-dated look of the VF-01.

Reanimating at 2+ hour movie just to have nicer battles doesn't seem like that great an idea to me. It'd be like reshooting the original Star Wars films with a new look - there's a lot of other ways I'd like to see Satelight use their talents. Besides, it'll be awfully hard to top wonderful little elements like the reveal of SDF-1 from dark to lighted, or the Zero-G Love segment, or playing in Saturn's rings, or any number of other scenes. And if those scenes can't be topped, what's the point of reanimating them?

Originally Posted by Tak

After all, this is 2008, and since Macross is set in 2010+/-, a 2008 look might be a vast improvement over its 80s fashion in the 21st century

Nah, in-universe, humans have little but bad memories of the period after 1999, so it'd make sense for the fashions of the '80s (the last of the great times) to have a come back .

Originally Posted by aldw

Well, if Macross followed the path of UC Gundam it can go either way in terms of presentation.

While I won't classify this as a blasphemous idea, I'm curious as to why you think that Macross would follow in UC Gundam's footsteps. After all, both franchises are almost the same age, but Macross has shown no signs of doing so. And for that matter, Kawamori (being an executive at Satelight) has way more control over animated Macross works than Tomino ever had, and his ideas are in a different direction from that of older works.