Gundam ZZ Discussion

[brightman]

Originally Posted by chanchimi

It's wierd, and I think we will find out what happens when Gundam Unicorn airs.

Based on the novel, I highly doubt that.

They were chasing after the Quebeley because it was a stowaway from their ship I believe.

[chanchimi]

Originally Posted by brightman

Based on the novel, I highly doubt that.

They were chasing after the Quebeley because it was a stowaway from their ship I believe.

Hmm, well I don't know. I think it's odd that the book would put the Qubeley's pilot as Mineva Zabi and it would really be somebody else.... Maybe Mineva was a stowaway on that ship. You never know.

[brightman]

Originally Posted by chanchimi

Hmm, well I don't know. I think it's odd that the book would put the Qubeley's pilot as Mineva Zabi and it would really be somebody else.... Maybe Mineva was a stowaway on that ship. You never know.

Its not the first time the Gundam Encyclopedias make an error. They probably just confused the lolis from the Zeta shows, especially since they both have short orange hair.

There's really no reason (and no evidence in Unicorn) for Mineva to want to travel to Jupiter on the Jupitris with Judau & co. The real Mineva doesn't even know Judau & co. Not to mention she doesn't pilot anything as far as I know, let alone a Newtype suit like the Qubeley.

[chanchimi]

Originally Posted by brightman

Its not the first time the Gundam Encyclopedias make an error. They probably just confused the lolis from the Zeta shows, especially since they both have short orange hair.

There's really no reason (and no evidence in Unicorn) for Mineva to want to travel to Jupiter on the Jupitris with Judau & co. The real Mineva doesn't even know Judau & co. Not to mention she doesn't pilot anything as far as I know, let alone a Newtype suit like the Qubeley.

I could see how the two might be confused. It makes sense.

There isn't really a reason. She may have piloted something, maybe not. Even then, would any Puru Clone other than #2 know Judau and the others? Even if they did, it wouldn't be enough probably to travel to Jupiter. Whoever the pilot was, we probably will never find out.

[justavisitor]

Talking about Mineva...is Mineva in ZZ the fake one?? Mineva in Z is the real Mineva right? and of course the Mineva in Unicorn will also be the real one...I wonder whether the Unicorn Novel explores the life of the real Mineva in ZZ

[Nvis]

I thought Mineva was real from Z and ZZ.

Just that at the end of ZZ, she was most likely faking saying she's not the real one. Maybe she was taught(by Hamann?) to do this if she was caught.

[justavisitor]

Thanks for the reply...I never thought she was taught to say that she was fake..I like this idea XD

I just wonder if the novel Unicron has explained this mystery...

[chanchimi]

Originally Posted by justavisitor

Thanks for the reply...I never thought she was taught to say that she was fake..I like this idea XD

I just wonder if the novel Unicron has explained this mystery...

Yeah, I thought that A fake Mineva was sort of strange, and that she was the real one and lied.

I'm sure that Unicorn explains this, I can't see why it wouldn't.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Last I checked, it's only like...a 6 episode OVA series, not a full-fledged 26+ episode series, so I don't really see them going VERY in-depth into a lot of things.

[justavisitor]

the ova might not, but I thought the novel might...the novel had about 10 volumes??

And I think back in ZZ, the purpose of the fake Mineva is to make Haman look bad...throughout Z and ZZ, Haman did lot of bad things but we could argue that it was all for Zeon and Mineva...but wow Haman "murdered" Mineva and replaced her with the fake one, and then the audience has every reason to cheer for the good guy..but now the novel Unicorn shows up and all of a sudden the fake Mineva in ZZ becomes..hmm..a plot hole?? (unless the novel says something about this..I would expect XD)

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Murdered? Never said she was murdered last I saw...just hidden away and had a stand-in...

I doubt Haman would suddenly kill off one of the last "hopes" of the Zabi Family Zeon like that. Char could've also done something off-screen before or during CCA given he took over what was left of that Neo Zeon (with some newcomers too), so he could've known or found out something and helped further given his obvious caring attitude for Mineva (given she was innocent of what the other Zabis had done).

Haman and Char could most likely guess what would happen had the Federation gotten their hands on her too; be no better off than when Haman had her if not worse knowing the Federation bigwigs.

[justavisitor]

well, that "murder" was just my assumption/imagination...since I don't think we had any info regarding to Mineva after ZZ...until this Unicorn Novel...and of course, this novel just throws my theory out of the window XD

and I don't know whether Haman is really loyal to the Zabi family XD...probably she was loyal to the Zabi family at first, but when she gained more power, conflict between Haman and Mineva was bound to happen, and it's so easy to get rid of that little Mineva

So after taking the account of the novel, at the end of zz, it is either
1)Mineva lied and claimed herself as the fake one
2)Haman escorted Mineva to somewhere safe because she knows the Zeon is about to lose
3)Haman wants to take over, locks Mineva up somewhere and finds a fake one to replace her

I just hope that the Unicorn novel will tell me the answer XD

P.S Char is a loli-con and he would eat Mineva alive between 0089 and 0093 (Forgive me, Char fans..it's just a joke XD)

[brightman]

Again, I bring your attention to this Sunrise animated sequence which shows the whereabouts of Mineva (and Char) after Z and ZZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXzAdk9v61c

(though it does come from a game...)

[justavisitor]

Damn, animesuki stops me from adding rep to you, brightman XD

Thanks for the video!! So Char really eats Mineva alive between 0089 and 0093 !!

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Yeah, games are always a bit questionable in terms of stuff not seen before in animation.

But as said, it wouldn't be surprising if Char did find out where she was or she could've been brought to him given she trusts him the most besides, naively, Haman and he wanted to protect her from the old Zabi corruption that Haman tried to push on her.

[chanchimi]

Originally Posted by RX-78GP04G Gerbera

Last I checked, it's only like...a 6 episode OVA series, not a full-fledged 26+ episode series, so I don't really see them going VERY in-depth into a lot of things.

Right, if this Mineva thing is brought up, it probably wouldn't be gone over too much.

Watched the video, and though it can't necessarily be confirmed true, it seems possible that Mineva may have ended up with Char.... I still find it sort of wierd that Haman would let Char have Mineva (That may not even be the case). This whole Mineva thing is giving me a headache now!

[KaiDamien]

Damn, finally finished this series after procastinating after so long.

The whole series felt kinda goofy… I know that the Gundam franchise has this thing about infiltrating and escaping but seriously for the first half of the series it’s getting outta of hand >< Sometimes(for the first half of the series) its really a pain to watch some episodes; they were either ‘not serious’ or too goofy ><

I was wondering what’s with Glemy keeping Leina on board? They never explain why Roux left with core fighter when the Argama is in the desert, did I miss something or was it ever explained ? Why did Judau and Roux left for Jupiter at the end of the series? Did they get reassigned or? I read wikia but one part mentioned that Judau wanted to start a new life but another mentioned that they were assigned to the Jupiter fleet.

Seriously I had no idea that Puru died till it was mentioned by Judau, I always wondered what happened to Puru while Nahel Argama were on their way to side 3 , I even wanted to post it here till Judau mentioned that Puru died.
Anway after watching this series, I would actually + more points to 00.

[Elo the Blue]

Originally Posted by KaiDamien

Damn, finally finished this series after procastinating after so long.

The whole series felt kinda goofy… I know that the Gundam franchise has this thing about infiltrating and escaping but seriously for the first half of the series it’s getting outta of hand >< Sometimes(for the first half of the series) its really a pain to watch some episodes; they were either ‘not serious’ or too goofy ><

I was wondering what’s with Glemy keeping Leina on board? They never explain why Roux left with core fighter when the Argama is in the desert, did I miss something or was it ever explained ? Why did Judau and Roux left for Jupiter at the end of the series? Did they get reassigned or? I read wikia but one part mentioned that Judau wanted to start a new life but another mentioned that they were assigned to the Jupiter fleet.

Seriously I had no idea that Puru died till it was mentioned by Judau, I always wondered what happened to Puru while Nahel Argama were on their way to side 3 , I even wanted to post it here till Judau mentioned that Puru died.
Anway after watching this series, I would actually + more points to 00.

The first half of ZZ was definitely a far cry from what we've come to expect from a Gundam series but I felt ZZ became pretty good after the episode that revolved around Torres' girlfriend. There was one episode late inolving a pedophile I disliked but the second half had a good plot, battle scenes, drama and character development.

In the series I've watched, I can't remember too many episodes as suspenseful as the Dublin colony drop and I really enjoyed the African arc.

To answer you questions, Glemy simply wanyed Leina into become more cultured. There was no reason to kill her so he decided she should be more refined.

Roux left the Argama simply out of frustration.

As for she and Judau, they became Feddies in the Jupiter Fleet.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Until about halfway, yeah, it was a bit goofy, but that was an attempt to lighten the atmosphere a bit considering how dark and gloomy Zeta had ended previously before going back towards that direction.

Also can't forget that ZZ also greatly sets up for Char in Char's Counterattack by further showing the corruption, arrogance, etc of the Federation bigwigs (as shown with Bright's meeting with them) and even seeing it leak into the AEUG leadership too.

[KaiDamien]

Number of kills made by Judau and Roux. Note : They are not 100% accurate. I count what I can see onscreen .I consider kills where by the MS can no longer get up or get destroyed and by what I can see.

Total Kill Count(At least)
Judau : 51
Roux: 21

Kill Per Battle Episode: (Total Kill Count/ Number of battle episode)
Judau :1.13333 (51/45)
Roux: 0.8076 (21/26)

Spoiler for Kill rates for each episode:

I don't know how to make the numbers have spacing in between so i'll leave it like this.
Epi Judau Roux

1 - -
2 1 -
3 0 -
4 0 -
5 0 -
6 2 -
7 3 0
8 2 -
9 0 0
10 3 2
11 0 0
12 2 0
13 0 -
14 1 -
15 2 -
16 0 0
17 0 -
18 0 -
19 1 6
20 2 -
21 2 0
22 0 8
23 3 0
24 2 0
25 1 0
26 2 3
27 3 0
28 1 0
29 1 -
30 0 2
31 2 0
32 0 0
33 1 0
34 4 0
35 1 0
36 0 -
37 2 0
38 3 0
39 1 -
40 1 -
41 - -
42 0 -
43 0 -
44 0 0
45 0 0
46 2 0
47 0 -

Total: 51 21

Originally Posted by Elo the Blue

To answer you questions, Glemy simply wanyed Leina into become more cultured. There was no reason to kill her so he decided she should be more refined.

Roux left the Argama simply out of frustration.

As for she and Judau, they became Feddies in the Jupiter Fleet.

Thanks.