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View Poll Results: Higurashi Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 36 | 33.64% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 31 | 28.97% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 14.02% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 13 | 12.15% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.80% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 7 | 6.54% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.93% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.93% | |
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2006-09-01, 00:23 | Link #121 | |||
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2006-09-01, 02:48 | Link #122 | |||
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Whoa! Just realized that in Himatsubushi-hen Ooishi said that Rika was drugged before she was brought to the temple and Watanagashi'ed! Dang, this is a huge connection! Was I the first to notice? It fits so well... Once Rika was drugged in Meakashi-hen, she somehow knew or thought (from memory of other arcs?) that the direction of the scenario was going towards her being Watanagashi'ed and Hinamizawa being gassed. She didn't fear the pain of torture- she chose suicide as the only way to protect everyone. Quote:
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2006-09-01, 03:56 | Link #123 | |
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*Taken from episode 8* (20:55 - 21:19) Oishi : " Do you remember how Takano Miyo-san died ? " Keiichi : " Huh ? Yeah... I heard she was burned dead. " Oishi : " After the autopsy, it seems that the body was found 24 hours after she died. In other words, on the night you guys sneaked into the festival storehouse... Takano-san was already dead. " Also.., on the TIPS #113 it lists Takano-san as beeing part of the death list.., strangled to death and later burned. It seems however.., 24 hours before the set time she died On Onikakushi-hen Takano-san's status is " Missing ", currently no further information is given to us regarding it. |
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2006-09-01, 08:57 | Link #124 | |
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Another thing, I seem to remember one of the game players saying that in the game when K1 cursed Takano to die on that fateful night in Tatarigoroshi-hen that he specifically cursed her to burn. (Correct me if I am wrong of course) |
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2006-09-01, 09:42 | Link #125 |
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The body was not Takano's, I think. Why would anyone want to burn the body if it was hers? And how do you explain her being "a walking dead" if we assume she did not fake her death? Don't tell me Oyashiro-sama cannot change the state of a dead body to fool the police that Takano had died later.
And she is being portrayed as much more important "player" in the mystery, I don't think her role is that of a mere victim. But even if she was indeed killed the question is why.
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2006-09-01, 10:23 | Link #126 | ||
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And also why she was still alive during the festival night However.., the current information we are given too.., just states that the burned body they found, despite the 24 hour death diference, was identified as that of beeing Takano Miyo-san's.., hence.. we can currently only speculate if she was in fact dead.., or that she found a scapegoat to ilude everyone into thinking she died. But just on a personal note.., yes.. , I too feel that its very possible for her to have faked her death. Specialy since her status on Onikakushi-hen is " missing ". So the possibility, this despite beeing diferent arcs.., they always end up complementing each other.., hence.., she on Onikakushi-hen might not have required to use the scapegoat; or as far as we know.. ^^ Quote:
(4:17 - 4:24) Keiichi : " If she saw me, then I should have killed her. " " Shit... " " Go die by Oyashiro-sama's curse! " If there are any references to Keiichi having wished Takano to die burned.., I don't belive we saw them in the Anime.. Either way.., most of what I say are my speculations and things taken from the episodes so.., only someone who has played the game can answer you properly |
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2006-09-01, 12:50 | Link #127 |
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There's also the idea that she is both a villian and a victim. It has happned before with the missing killer from the damn manager murderer and with Satoshi and maybe even with K1 in Tatarigoroshi-hen.
Anyway, what if Takano actually unwillingly disappears in all three arcs? It is just that in Tatarigoroshi-hen and Watanagashi-hen she disappears after setting up the double. Sure, this idea is more or less just a guess, but it would lock Tomitake and Takano as the pair of set victims for 1983... One disappears and one dies. Just an idea. Really, we know so very little about Takano's role in things. |
2006-09-01, 13:02 | Link #128 | |
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Tatarigoroshi Hen (the Sound Novels) Keiichi's Wish list
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2006-09-03, 21:39 | Link #129 |
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After finishing up this arc, my investigative juices started flowing again, so here are some of my thoughts:
- Rika in Himatsubushi-hen specifically states that murders will be committed in the next few years. - If what LostBlue is correct and the Sonozaki's do not have any power, then someone else is responsible for the murders IF we believe Rika. - It's hinted in the TIPS that during Himatsubushi-hen, Oryou Sonozaki was aware of the kidnapping. She had Mion make a phone call. At some point afterwards in the anime, Oishi received the wallet hinting to the location of the child. It's possible that Oryou was involved with the police tip. But if so, it would not make sense for a leader of a group to betray her own people. Which means that: 1) There's another group involved behind the scenes. 2) The Sonozaki's are aware of their existence, but don't mind muddling in their affairs. 3) Oishi acknowledges their abilities as trained professionals. My thoughts: It's either another group in the Gosanke, most likely the Kimiyoshi's who wield a hidden power behind the Sonozaki's or some weird government organization probably hiding some secret in Hinamizawa. Now I was about to write reasons describing each possibilities, for and against, but after weighing the options, I've decided to go for the government. I just like those X-Files stories (before they jumped the shark and decided Mulder and Scully making out was more important then stopping the government). And for those of you who don't believe that there's a group of people behind this, then let me ask: Who were those guys in bonked Keichi on the head in Onikakushi-hen? |
2006-09-04, 09:58 | Link #130 | ||
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2006-09-04, 11:49 | Link #131 |
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Using the TIPS, it's relatively easy to say that the Sonozaki family organized the kidnapping. When the dam project was put on indefinite hiatus in Himatubushi, Oryou decided it was time for the child to be "found". Remember, the Sonozaki family also somewhat doubles as a yakuza organization.
As for the men who knocked out Keiichi, I think it's most likely Sonozaki goons, because the same outfits were worn by the men who kidnapped the kid in the beginning of Himatsubushi. |
2006-09-04, 14:55 | Link #132 | |||
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It can also be the loophole of the story. Another loophole is Rika's "prophecy". She can "remember" the future yet she she can't avoid it. It's the example of 御都合主義 |
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2006-09-04, 15:21 | Link #133 | |
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2006-09-04, 16:45 | Link #134 | ||
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2006-09-04, 22:33 | Link #136 |
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I've tried to read most of the posts in this thread to avoid posting the same things others did, so I apologize if I missed some stuff...
I know some people have been babbling about Satoshi being alive or not..... but wasn't it him at the beginning of the Tatarigoroshi chapter (episode 9) some old people found in the water? It looked like him to me. I have a lot of other things to ask, but they're about other chapters so I guess it'll be irrelevant to this thread (Actually, I'm planning to play the 'game', I'm just waiting until the tv series ends so it won't spoil too much for me. So I guess it's true they're skipping the last two chapters? And I heard everything was explained in the Minagoroshi chapter.... o_o;;; Oh well... I'll have to be patient for another month now). |
2006-09-04, 22:48 | Link #137 | |
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Your answer: TIPS #50 and TIPS #51 |
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2006-09-05, 04:12 | Link #138 | |
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Waitaminutethere! I thought the "game" and "Drama CD" were one and the same. Was this information wrong? Eric hte Grey |
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2006-09-05, 09:41 | Link #139 | |
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Official website for the dramaCDs Seems to me many people don't know what a drama CD is. I'll guess that'll be my new terminology to post on the Japanese Otaku Lingo thread. Last edited by kj1980; 2006-09-05 at 12:41. |
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2006-09-06, 07:41 | Link #140 |
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Graetings everybody I'm new here . I have been wathing Higurashi since the bigining . I discoverd this Forum after Onikakushi and by now I consider watching a new part of the story as completed after:
a) Wathing subed episode b) Reading Tips c) Reading Sushi-Y post obout that episode By then I usually understand as much of that specific part of the show as non-game player can. I didn't post here so far because I felt that my English isn't good enough for that, but now threre is one thing that bothers so much that I will take a risk[ I oplogise in advance for masteakes]. Spoiler for My problem:
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