Macross Delta - Episode 1 Discussion / Poll

[Alhazred]

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

My main issue with the Walkure girls is that their physical abilities seem superhuman.

Hmm... maybe the planet is just relatively low-G? I know i shouldn't have been bothered, but my SOD was just a teensy bit shaken by seeing Freyja casually do two consecutive standing jumps higher than her own head.

[Tak]

Shouldn't be surprised with demonstration of super human reflexes, imo. This is Macross, we have the technology, genetic engineering, the means and the will to do it.

The Zentradi are after all, ageless to begin within...

- Tak

[Faux Mecha]

maybe its only a matter of time if they showed us the Walkure girls capable of not using space suits in the deep vacuum of space, & able to Space Fold travel by themselves, thus rendering Battroids & Destroids obsolete.

[LoweGear]

As to the Walkure being superhuman, who says they aren't?

We know that someone like Ranka is capable of surviving longer in space due to her Zentraedi heritage, and IIRC Frontier is actually the exception rather than the rule when it comes to human body modification, or rather the lack of it. For all we know, Walkure may either have genetic or cybernetic modifications done to them, or may have heritage with some strong and hardy races. Hell, wasn't there speculation early on that Reina may be a cyborg or a gynoid?

[Tak]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Frontier is actually the exception rather than the rule when it comes to human body modification, or rather the lack of it.

But... but... Grace and Banana were both cyborgs and technically ageless body-switching-ghost-in-the-shell types

Not to mention Ranka's mother attempted modifications on herself and died as a result

- Tak

[magnuskn]

Neither Grace nor Banana were from Frontier, they were from Galaxy. Grace openly using her enhancements startled a lot of people on Frontier. As for Rankas mother, I thought she died when the Vajra went out of control and burned down the fleet they were on?

[Tak]

Oh, hes talking about the fleet. Thought he was talking about the lack of it in the series. In that case, Ranka's mom wasn't on Frontier either.

- Tak

[Alhazred]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

We know that someone like Ranka is capable of surviving longer in space due to her Zentraedi heritage, and IIRC Frontier is actually the exception rather than the rule when it comes to human body modification, or rather the lack of it.

Actually, it appears to be the reverse; the Galaxy fleet was heavily funded by large corporations and developed many technologies far in advance of the other colonization fleets. One of their areas of specific expertise was cybernetics, so someone as heavily modified as Grace would probably cause a stir anywhere she went, not just Frontier.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Alhazred

Actually, it appears to be the reverse; the Galaxy fleet was heavily funded by large corporations and developed many technologies far in advance of the other colonization fleets. One of their areas of specific expertise was cybernetics, so someone as heavily modified as Grace would probably cause a stir anywhere she went, not just Frontier.

The impression I get is that Galaxy was the extreme level of body modification, while Frontier is the other end of the spectrum: a colony that abhors body modification, but wouldn't stop people who already have them.

I imagine most other colonies are a lot more tame with their modifications than Galaxy is.

[Alhazred]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

I imagine most other colonies are a lot more tame with their modifications than Galaxy is.

Probably, both for lack of motivation and lack of ability, since the Galaxy fleet owned the tech and were rather insular. This is sort of a strike against the idea that the Walküre might be cybernetically modified to be superhuman- and Freyja has already demonstrated mildly superhuman physical abilities before she even joined the group. As such, any appearance of super powers is likely just a combination of alien heritage, non-cybernetic tech and anime physics.

[Tak]

I dunno, considering what the Zentradi (allied or otherwise) are willing to do to themselves, the Galaxy seems mild in comparison when it comes to body-mods, really.

- Tak

[Triple_R]

Reading over the last couple of pages on this thread has been interesting, and somewhat surprising, to me.

That's because I've long had the impression that Macross-verse is very fantastical and imaginative. So I'm surprised at the issue that some seem to have with the Walkure girls and/or their transformations.

I've long had the impression that Macross is to Gundam what Star Wars is to Star Trek. In other words, that Macross (like Star Wars) is more of a space fantasy than a strict sci-fi show, whereas Gundam and Star Trek both tend to be pretty strict with their sci-fi. Is this impression of Macross incorrect?

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I've long had the impression that Macross is to Gundam what Star Wars is to Star Trek. In other words, that Macross (like Star Wars) is more of a space fantasy than a strict sci-fi show, whereas Gundam and Star Trek both tend to be pretty strict with their sci-fi. Is this impression of Macross incorrect?

I would say thats quite right. Except that Macross also incorporates Star Trek's 'explore the final frontier and meet new people' in addition to 'sing until they submit'.

So yes, like Star Wars, its a huge universe, but unlike Star Wars, there is no clear static factions at play. The NUNS itself is pretty much an empire in the making.

- Tak

[Darthtabby]

Having studied things a little more, I think the Walkure girls are wearing thrusters on their waists/hips. Their outfits all incorporate some sort of hardware around that part of the body (though some more obviously than others). Aside from the obvious use of thrusters by the pink haired girl when she saved her companion, you can also see a quick burst from some thrusters after Mikumo jumps into the air around 13:40.

[Tak]

They obviously learned that from Sheryl.

- Tak

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I've long had the impression that Macross is to Gundam what Star Wars is to Star Trek. In other words, that Macross (like Star Wars) is more of a space fantasy than a strict sci-fi show, whereas Gundam and Star Trek both tend to be pretty strict with their sci-fi. Is this impression of Macross incorrect?

Well, if you talk to Shoji Kawamori, that's about right, even though the main series of UC-verse Gundams can be rather fantastical with their Pycho & Newtype powers. Imagine teenage/young Professor Xaviers or Jedis (who can sense their Newtype opponents and able to converse to other Newtypes via telepathy and even talk to the dead souls of their comrades like Jedis) piloting giant robots.

Still, even for Macross standard, body modifications or strengths via heritage should still be explained.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

As to the Walkure being superhuman, who says they aren't?

We know that someone like Ranka is capable of surviving longer in space due to her Zentraedi heritage, and IIRC Frontier is actually the exception rather than the rule when it comes to human body modification, or rather the lack of it. For all we know, Walkure may either have genetic or cybernetic modifications done to them, or may have heritage with some strong and hardy races. Hell, wasn't there speculation early on that Reina may be a cyborg or a gynoid?

I'll believe it when the anime actually show or explain it to me like what they do with Grace. Before that, I'll just consider it siliness. Fun silliness, but still silliness.

Darthtabby's "thruster"-explanation above makes more sense to me right now.

[Shirke]

Originally Posted by Darthtabby

Having studied things a little more, I think the Walkure girls are wearing thrusters on their waists/hips. Their outfits all incorporate some sort of hardware around that part of the body (though some more obviously than others). Aside from the obvious use of thrusters by the pink haired girl when she saved her companion, you can also see a quick burst from some thrusters after Mikumo jumps into the air around 13:40.

Originally Posted by Tak

They obviously learned that from Sheryl.

- Tak

Yeah Sheryl was wearing the same type of thrusters under her dress in the first Macross Frontier Movie, which was her fallback plan when she jumped from the stage only to be caught by Alto.

[Shikijin]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

I've long had the impression that Macross is to Gundam what Star Wars is to Star Trek. In other words, that Macross (like Star Wars) is more of a space fantasy than a strict sci-fi show, whereas Gundam and Star Trek both tend to be pretty strict with their sci-fi. Is this impression of Macross incorrect?

Ah, Star Trek, the one with god-like beings, race stereotyping and reimagined half-elfs. But I am a purist of set theory, and once something is sci-fi, it can be anything else and will still remain sci-fi. This science fantasy is a just a meme for kids to justify why we can't have nice things.

Macross is as strict as a technology that evolves can be. A song that generates fold waves is as much scientifical as Minowsky particles.

The Walkure seem to wear a protective suit (it is seen clearly when Reina launches at 13:10), which then is covered by holograms (in the same way it worked in Macross Frontier), and it also has rocket boosters.

[Father Hentai]

Originally Posted by Tak

They obviously learned that from Sheryl.

- Tak

I would not limit this to Sheryl. All the singers where quite defenseless with exception of Fire Bombers, who could dodge most attacks in their VFs while the others mostly needed someone to bodyguard or rescue them or they needed to stick with a fleet as a performance backstage.

[dmaxzero]

The last part of the episode won me enough to give this a solid chance.
I still cant get over the mahou shoujo thingy, but FINE, I will ride along. And... Ok, honestly who though it was a good idea to have an erecting heart shaped thing in the forehead as good in an aesthetic sense? It' s almost phallic.

HOWEVER! The Valkyries combat is solid as always in Macross and the lead seems interesting, I am more thrilled to know what will happen between him and Mirage than the phallic girl.