KanColle - Historical references and History discussion

[SaintessHeart]

[Ithekro]

There was a fan made page a day or so ago listed as historical kanColle which brings up the question of what foreign battleship they might be adding to the game this spring. Discounting the Germans the artist went with the last class built from each of the powers involved. The listing for HMS Vanguard is funny as the two characters doing the speculating are Hiei and Kongo (the two most foreign capital ships in the Japanese navy by World War II. Kongo being built in Britain while Hiei's parts were made in Britain, but put together in Japan). Kongo thinks Vanguard is too young (finished after the war ended) and does't want a copycat tea lover that throws out random English.

Then there is Iowa. Everything looked reasonable, until Hieie reads off her weapons (her outfit in 1990) with harpoon and tamahawk missiles. Iowa OP please nerf.

[Estavali]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

There was a fan made page a day or so ago listed as historical kanColle which brings up the question of what foreign battleship they might be adding to the game this spring. Discounting the Germans the artist went with the last class built from each of the powers involved. The listing for HMS Vanguard is funny as the two characters doing the speculating are Hiei and Kongo (the two most foreign capital ships in the Japanese navy by World War II. Kongo being built in Britain while Hiei's parts were made in Britain, but put together in Japan). Kongo thinks Vanguard is too young (finished after the war ended) and does't want a copycat tea lover that throws out random English.

Then there is Iowa. Everything looked reasonable, until Hieie reads off her weapons (her outfit in 1990) with harpoon and tamahawk missiles. Iowa OP please nerf.

You're talking about this one, I believe? =3 http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1961374

[AC-Phoenix]

Only slightly related to kancolle, but...
Was the Amagi class intended to be superior the Nagato class oO?

A WoWarships video popped up in my youtube recommendations that had nagato as a T7 ship - wth?

Kancolle kinda gave me the impression that the historical strength would be more like
Nagato --> Yamato oO
I checked some other ships out of interest then too and Kongou is also below other ships you'd never imagine her to be oO

Any historical justification for that?

[Ithekro]

The Amagi-class battlecruiser would have ten 16 inch guns over Nagato's eight 16" guns. Amagi was supposedly close to being a fast battleship, though I'd have to look up her armor thickness. Akagi would have been fast.

The Tosa-class was the next battleship after Nagato. Same amount of main guns as Amagi, but more armor, though again I am not sure how thick or fast she was verses Nagato and Amagi. Kaga would have been tougher than Nagato had she been completed as planned.

Yamato is faster than Nagato, much thicker armored and armed with nine 18.1" guns.

[Marcus H.]

Is it too late for me to realize that the Fubuki in the Admiral's dream may be the 1905 incarnation?

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Is it too late for me to realize that the Fubuki in the Admiral's dream may be the 1905 incarnation?

Where did you get that from?

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The Amagi-class battlecruiser would have ten 16 inch guns over Nagato's eight 16" guns. Amagi was supposedly close to being a fast battleship, though I'd have to look up her armor thickness. Akagi would have been fast.

The Tosa-class was the next battleship after Nagato. Same amount of main guns as Amagi, but more armor, though again I am not sure how thick or fast she was verses Nagato and Amagi. Kaga would have been tougher than Nagato had she been completed as planned.

Planned armour for Amagi would've been 254mm main belt, 98mm deck, 73 mm torpedo bulkhead, 229-280mm barbettes and 76-356mm conning tower.

For the Tosa-class it would've been 254-280mm main belt, 102mm deck, 229-305 barbettes and 76-356mm conning tower.

[Marcus H.]

Where did you get that from?

I just found out on Wikipedia that there are actually two Fubukis in the IJN, the Harusame-class destroyer used in the Russo-Japanese War, and the Fubuki-class destroyer we know.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

I just found out on Wikipedia that there are actually two Fubukis in the IJN, the Harusame-class destroyer used in the Russo-Japanese War, and the Fubuki-class destroyer we know.

Yes, but why would the one in the dream be it?

[Marcus H.]

We're not yet sure if the dream was a premonition or a recollection of the past, but there's a possibility that the Fubuki in his dreams is a different one.
It would be easy if the admiral could actually speak directly about what's on his mind.

[basinz123]

I really want to imagine when Enterprise sees the carriers that bombed Pearl Harbor.

[Qikz]

Originally Posted by basinz123

I really want to imagine when Enterprise sees the carriers that bombed Pearl Harbor.

Thing is though the ship girls are not the ships from before, just ships with the souls of those before. Akagi remembers what happened to Kaga, her and the other carriers and ships at Midway and wanted to try to change fate to stop it from happening again. I'd hope that if they add Enterprise she'd be clever enough to not hold grudges against people who had nothing to do with what happened in WW2.

[Ithekro]

Depends on Enterprise's personality. Would she have Halsey's personality? She saw the whole war, and lots of battles and honors. There are a few things that only she has (only foreign ship to have a British Admiralty penate in 400 years). She was one of he few American night carriers by the end. Only survivor of her class. She was the survivor without being the black cat of the fleet.

[basinz123]

for me I imagine Enterprise as a caring, over-protective, serious at times in need, and a glutton. XD
I really like to imagine who wins the eating contest between Akagi, Yamato, and Enterprise... heh

[FunnyGuy]

From a source in another site: It simply changed the possible outcome for the Battle of Midway in KanColle's episode 12 which tried to be close to the actual battle.

> Bombs drop on Kaga, destroying her bow and deck.
> Akagi tries to help her from drowning but got hit by bombs as well. Though wounded like Kaga, she managed to help Kaga and pulled her.
> Soryu got hit but tries to help Akagi and Kaga.
> Hiryu covered for them, trying to launch more planes for a counter attack.
> Soryu got hit again and fell down on her knees, slowly sinking but urge Akagi and Kaga to go on. Soryu sunk.
> Hiryu got hit but kept on fighting.
> Akagi and Kaga kept moving until a bomb separated them apart. Kaga is no where to be found. Kaga sunk
> In grief, Akagi lost sight of a bomb falling on top of her.... "Sorry, everyone." Akagi sunk.
> Fubuki and K**** reached them only to see Hiryu hit for the last time....but smiling at them.... Hiryu sunk.

What can you guys say about this alternate ending?

[Ithekro]

Eh. To make it close to the actual battle, the carriers are sunk by their escorts. Every single one of them. Or Fubuki when she arrives late.

[FunnyGuy]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Eh. To make it close to the actual battle, the carriers are sunk by their escorts. Every single one of them. Or Fubuki when she arrives late.

Wait, I'm pretty sure it was planes that sunk the ships and not escorts.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by FunnyGuy

Wait, I'm pretty sure it was planes that sunk the ships and not escorts.

The American torpedo bomber performance at Midway was abysmal, most of them were massacred by Zeroes. The carriers were only hit by dive bombers. Dive bomber by themselves can't sink a ship as big as a carrier. They burned out and were inoperable. But they didn't sink until the Japanese scuttled them with their own torpedoes.

[basinz123]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Eh. To make it close to the actual battle, the carriers are sunk by their escorts. Every single one of them. Or Fubuki when she arrives late.

I thought too that Enterprise's planes mafe 3 of the 4 carriers be immobolized if Im not mistaken.