To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Character Discussion - Misaka "Biri Biri" Mikoto

[Ilidsor]

Originally Posted by dniv

I'll admit that before I saw it with subtitles I didn't understand a lot of what was going on compared to my current understanding of things.

I only ever watch anime with subtitles.

By Idiot I meant like a Certain Idiot... I didn't mean like a literal idiot. Idealistic type of idiot rather than a dumb type of idiot. Kamijou is considered an idiot by her for the exact same reason...

Then let me change my earlier comment to being idealistic doesn't make you an idiot.

NT 7...

Spoiler:

He trusted Rensa to save Yakumi's life?

Those aren't even slight related. That wasn't a hostage situation, and he wasn't giving the villain the power to kill himself. There was no risk to any innocent lives.

There are others that aren't as extreme though.

Please, tell me them. I literally can't think of a single thing.

I feel like Kamachi helped create a lot of the major plot-points while how they were executed were up to the staff. However, I feel like Mikoto wanting to emulate Kamijou's idealism is a major plot point.

But you don't have any proof of that do you? You're just guessing he had something to do with it.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by dniv

I think the point is this: Mikoto does insane things to protect the people she likes. She isn't smart. She's an idiot. It's the same, I'll sacrifice myself for you all deal. I realize that right after that later, she said there was an idiot who would sacrifice herself when talking to Aritomi, but in the end she had absolutely no choice. In other words, she's like Touma. What would he have done? She's trying to be him. I thought that was obvious... :__:



This reinforces my point. This is why she ate the chocolate. This is also why she took the chemical. Touma is the one who made her feel like that. Not to mention there's the whole, maybe I'm only popular because I have the title Railgun... sounds suspiciously comparable to

Spoiler:

maybe I'm only useful because I have the title Imagine Breaker...

Also,

In the end, two things are obvious to me now. :__: 1. Kami-yan disease is spreading to other protagonists. 2. Mikoto definitely took what Kamijou said to her to heart and is living by it now. This resolves that question in my opinion mainly because Mikoto chooses to believe in it. That's exactly what Kamijou does. It really isn't any different.

Since the basis for her actions are Kamijou's I have even more reason to believe Kamachi intended for this to happen.

Well, at least you're taking a different approach. You're not saying that Mikoto's actions are intellectually defensible. You're saying that she was so deeply inspired by Touma's self-sacrificing heroism that she now practically welcomes high-risk scenarios as a way for her to be heroic the way he was.

Hhmmmm... That's an interesting take on her character, at least. There is a certain charm and emotional poignancy to it. Thank you for sharing it.

After reading your take, I do think that this is what Episode 22 was probably aiming for, but the execution could have been a bit better.

I don't mind Mikoto taking risks, and being willing to endanger herself to help others. This is why I could roll with her eating Telestina's candy (that was actually an almost badass hero moment, really). But there should be limits here. I'd rather Mikoto not come off as the female equivalent of a very bull-headed shounen male lead that throws caution to the wind by always going with his gut (without first consulting his brain). I'd like her to be a bit smarter than that.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Ilidsor

I only ever watch anime with subtitles.


Then let me change my earlier comment to being idealistic doesn't make you an idiot.



Those aren't even slighty related. That wasn't a hostage situation, and he wasn't giving the villain the power to kill himself. There was no risk to any innocent lives.



Please, tell me them. I literally can't think of a single thing.



But you don't have any proof of that do you? You're just guessing he had something to do with it.

Ok. Just making sure. I will say though that re-watching it with subtitles multiple times helped me as well...

What?

Spoiler for NT 7:

Touma believes that other types of heroes also exist. So his ideal of justice isn't the only one that is true in this world. So at this point he had to believe that Rensa loved Yakumi enough that she would somehow save Yakumi before he would punch Rensa and kill Yakumi because he had to punch Rensa in order to save Febri Edit: Fremea (lol the resemblance)

The comparison is that Mikoto needs to protect Febri and is therefore willing to believe that the bad guy isn't completely evil, just disenfranchised or something, and will keep his word partly because she's important as the railgun to the city and has that protection in a way and will keep his word because he isn't a ruthless killer. She kind of implied that even Accelerator wasn't a ruthless killer... in episode 24...


Ok fine. That may be true. I was somewhat BS-ing there (That was the one example I could come up with, but since the time Kamachi wrote the material for both is around the same time, I would see why this example would be a good one...)


I didn't mean an idealist was an idiot, even though it can be kind of true at times... I meant that she was being in the idiot in the sense that she was believing in the good of other people, and that since all she could do to save febri at that point in time from her point of view was to let the injection happen and to involve her friends and to trust Terestina, she did it. It's not about being smart, it's about not having any other choices. What I mean by not having other choices isn't about saying that I'm doomed to give up, what I mean by not having other choices is about rather trying her best to save her friend even if it meant taking the injection.

Furthermore, Touma didn't think Mikoto was evil, because she was his friend he immediately thought that she was the good guy even though there was no reason to do this. Why did he believe in her, because he was her friend. It wasn't because of anything except for the fact that he believes in the good of humanity even against overwhelming evidence. This has come up time and time again, so don't try to say that isn't true. :__: That's part of my point. This is why Mikoto can suddenly believe that this guy won't kill her and will stay true to his word. How else is she supposed to save Febri in this situation?

Zaarael told us Js06 said that Kamachi provided a lot of the major story details for this arc.

Furthermore, let me give you some more implications as to why I believe this arc was written by Kamachi.

Let's list a long list of different types of evidence that I found.

Spoiler for Evidence that Silent Party was written by Kamachi (other than the fact that the name for the arc was evidently constructed by him) lolol:

1. There were references to attempts at modeling esper powers from scientific research. Five_Over, Five_Under take your pick.
2. There were references to the parameter list for crying out loud. I am pretty sure the novels covering that are way out of the scope that Nagai would have done to prepare for this arc, just saying.
3. Mikoto has started to follow Touma's idealism and this has started to explain why she now calls Touma a certain idiot, because he cares more about other people than himself and because his rules don't apply to himself and also because he believes in the good of people and risks his life because of his beliefs.
4. Mikoto is questioning whether she only has her friends because of the fact that she has the title Railgun and is a level 5. This is extremely similar to the comments: "Now that I have your imagine breaker you are only a piece of meat" (wording is only approximate in both cases) and the comments: "He was a precise missile to be shot at the enemy only for the purpose of his imagine breaker." "He was only powerful when he was surrounded by other powerful espers or magicians and was otherwise AN ORDINARY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT." "That right hand boy." "That reference point for the world." Touma intrigues many people only because of the fact that he has imagine breaker. There are others that actually like him as friends. Mikoto is clearly one of those people. Mikoto is questioning the same things right now. That's a huge reference to current plot currents being written by Kamachi :__:
5. Gensei was necessarily mentioned as involved in working on the level 6 shift and he was indeed cited as calling this chemicaloid project a silly project, which ties him into part of the darkness of the city... outside of just filler.
6. Assuming Mikoto is emulating Touma, Misaki was used as a plot device and Mikoto had to lower her pride to ask her to help her. This is consistent with the fact that at this point the two are at odds with each other, but Mikoto doesn't think Misaki is a psycho/loner person that wouldn't help her if she needed to ask her for help and that would hurt innocent people. At this point, she trusts Misaki... and kind of realizes that at this point she is necessary to mind-wipe the darkness so there won't be far-reaching consequences as to what happened in the city. This reference explains how NT 7 was also resolved just saying... since the both of them were there and there were a lot of crazy things that happened in the city... :__:
7. ITEM was deeply involved in this arc and their motivations were consistent throughout the arc. Rikou was nice and she didn't doom Mikoto when she clearly knew she was there in episode 22, (that was a pretty careful detailed orientated approach to how Rikou is as a character, I have to say...) Mugino became angry that she was being used as a lab-rat. She wanted to get money for her work. They were at the pool in their spare time which stuck to the canon. They had the scene from the sisters arc in episode 17 that was in the manga cartoon...
8. Terestina knew about what happened to Mikoto with the Sisters even though she shouldn't normally have been able to... and this wasn't explained to the viewers. In other words, it was implicitly assumed that we understood that Terestina is a Kihara and therefore able to acquire this information from either gensei or one of her many sources... (This is a big one as well...)
9. The airline was in district 23 (something that came up in NT 8...) Mikoto already had been to the airport and knew about it in other words which is why she knew a lot in NT 8 about it... Her friend also owns the airport... interesting huh?
10. The space elevator not only appeared, but the top of the elevator was done very correctly in order to have the right confirguration for the spell... and the missile was in space and referenced Kanzaki being in space.
11. Mikoto used a railgun to shoot something HUGE into space a very far distance away.
12. The Sisters used the network to calculate how exactly the trajectory of the rocket would appear among other things.
13. Mikoto moved super fast to stop the bullet (referencing NT 6...)
14. More references to liberal arts city...
15. Mikoto was not afraid of trying to suddenly reach outside of the mecha into space to fire a railgun... which shows why volume 22 happened as naturally as it did... (helicopter Touma, Mikoto...)
There are a ton of plot points throughout this arc that rely on strictly Index things that are far out of the scope that Nagai would have taken to prepare for this arc using Volume 3 of Index light novels for the Sisters Arc.

THAT makes me think Kamachi must have supplied a lot of these details, because these important themes mentioned were highlighted in a way that kind of made it clear they weren't accidents.

This is why I think Kamachi was actively involved in writing this arc...

@Triple_R

Thanks for that. I guess I should be a little more careful in saying this is only my opinion But yes, this was what I thought they were going for the entire time after I saw it with subtitles... and it's kind of why I didn't just assume it was poorly written. I do agree though that it probably could have been executed at least somewhat better.

[Miraluka]

Whaat!?

Wtf, the situations are very diametral opposite. Touma FORCED Rensa to save Yakumi, he never give her the chance to let her kill himself.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Whaat!?

Wtf, the situations are very diametral opposite. Touma FORCED Rensa to save Yakumi.

I have to go to a class in like 10 minutes... but anyway... MY POINT:

Spoiler for NT 7:

Touma believed Rensa wouldn't betray Yakumi. You admitting Touma forced Rensa to save Yakumi agrees with what I am trying to say: my assumption that Touma believes that someone as evil as Rensa could still like or even love Yakumi. (That Rensa was doing what she thought was right... not that she was being evil on purpose...) He was willing to risk her death because he believed in the good of Rensa i.e. humanity

[Ilidsor]

Originally Posted by dniv

Ok. Just making sure. I will say though that re-watching it with subtitles multiple times helped me as well...

What?

Spoiler for NT 7:

Touma believes that other types of heroes also exist. So his ideal of justice isn't the only one that is true in this world. So at this point he had to believe that Rensa loved Yakumi enough that she would somehow save Yakumi before he would punch Rensa and kill Yakumi because he had to punch Rensa in order to save Febri Edit: Fremea (lol the resemblance)

The comparison is that Mikoto needs to protect Febri and is therefore willing to believe that the bad guy isn't completely evil, just disenfranchised or something, and will keep his word partly because she's important as the railgun to the city and has that protection in a way and will keep his word because he isn't a ruthless killer. She kind of implied that even Accelerator wasn't a ruthless killer... in episode 24...

Trusting in the inherent goodness of humanity doesn't mean just pretending the other person won't do something bad. Sure Touma believes everyone has their own rational and that if they need help he will still save them, but he doesn't just trust them to do the right thing, he punches them out to save people and then lets them try and sort themselves out later.

I didn't mean an idealist was an idiot, even though it can be kind of true at times... I meant that she was being in the idiot in the sense that she was believing in the good of other people, and that since all she could do to save febri at that point in time from her point of view was to let the injection happen and to involve her friends and to trust Terestina, she did it. It's not about being smart, it's about not having any other choices. What I mean by not having other choices isn't about saying that I'm doomed to give up, what I mean by not having other choices is about rather trying her best to save her friend even if it meant taking the injection.

Furthermore, Touma didn't think Mikoto was evil, because she was his friend he immediately thought that she was the good guy even though there was no reason to do this. Why did he believe in her, because he was her friend. It wasn't because of anything except for the fact that he believes in the good of humanity even against overwhelming evidence. This has come up time and time again, so don't try to say that isn't true. :__: That's part of my point. This is why Mikoto can suddenly believe that this guy won't kill her and will stay true to his word. How else is she supposed to save Febri in this situation?

Aritomi had tried to kill her before, and had already expressed he didn't give a damn about Febri's life. Believing people are good only goes so far. When has anyone in this entire series ever decided to just sit down and trust the villains will do the right thing instead of fighting them?

Zaarael told us Js06 said that Kamachi provided a lot of the major story details for this arc.

Yes but giving major plot details doesn't mean he was involved in the entire script.

Furthermore, let me give you some more implications as to why I believe this arc was written by Kamachi.

Let's list a long list of different types of evidence that I found.

Spoiler for Evidence that Silent Party was written by Kamachi (other than the fact that the name for the arc was evidently constructed by him) lolol:

1. There were references to attempts at modeling esper powers from scientific research. Five_Over, Five_Under take your pick.
2. There were references to the parameter list for crying out loud. I am pretty sure the novels covering that are way out of the scope that Nagai would have done to prepare for this arc, just saying.
3. Mikoto has started to follow Touma's idealism and this has started to explain why she now calls Touma a certain idiot, because he cares more about other people than himself and because his rules don't apply to himself and also because he believes in the good of people and risks his life because of his beliefs.
4. Mikoto is questioning whether she only has her friends because of the fact that she has the title Railgun and is a level 5. This is extremely similar to the comments: "Now that I have your imagine breaker you are only a piece of meat" (wording is only approximate in both cases) and the comments: "He was a precise missile to be shot at the enemy only for the purpose of his imagine breaker." "He was only powerful when he was surrounded by other powerful espers or magicians and was otherwise AN ORDINARY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT." "That right hand boy." "That reference point for the world." Touma intrigues many people only because of the fact that he has imagine breaker. There are others that actually like him as friends. Mikoto is clearly one of those people. Mikoto is questioning the same things right now. That's a huge reference to current plot currents being written by Kamachi :__:
5. Gensei was necessarily mentioned as involved in working on the level 6 shift and he was indeed cited as calling this chemicaloid project a silly project, which ties him into part of the darkness of the city... outside of just filler.
6. Assuming Mikoto is emulating Touma, Misaki was used as a plot device and Mikoto had to lower her pride to ask her to help her. This is consistent with the fact that at this point the two are at odds with each other, but Mikoto doesn't think Misaki is a psycho/loner person that wouldn't help her if she needed to ask her for help and that would hurt innocent people. At this point, she trusts Misaki... and kind of realizes that at this point she is necessary to mind-wipe the darkness so there won't be far-reaching consequences as to what happened in the city. This reference explains how NT 7 was also resolved just saying... since the both of them were there and there were a lot of crazy things that happened in the city... :__:
7. ITEM was deeply involved in this arc and their motivations were consistent throughout the arc. Rikou was nice and she didn't doom Mikoto when she clearly knew she was there in episode 22, (that was a pretty careful detailed orientated approach to how Rikou is as a character, I have to say...) Mugino became angry that she was being used as a lab-rat. She wanted to get money for her work. They were at the pool in their spare time which stuck to the canon. They had the scene from the sisters arc in episode 17 that was in the manga cartoon...
8. Terestina knew about what happened to Mikoto with the Sisters even though she shouldn't normally have been able to... and this wasn't explained to the viewers. In other words, it was implicitly assumed that we understood that Terestina is a Kihara and therefore able to acquire this information from either gensei or one of her many sources... (This is a big one as well...)
9. The airline was in district 23 (something that came up in NT 8...) Mikoto already had been to the airport and knew about it in other words which is why she knew a lot in NT 8 about it... Her friend also owns the airport... interesting huh?
10. The space elevator not only appeared, but the top of the elevator was done very correctly in order to have the right confirguration for the spell... and the missile was in space and referenced Kanzaki being in space.
11. Mikoto used a railgun to shoot something HUGE into space a very far distance away.
12. The Sisters used the network to calculate how exactly the trajectory of the rocket would appear among other things.
13. Mikoto moved super fast to stop the bullet (referencing NT 6...)
14. More references to liberal arts city...
15. Mikoto was not afraid of trying to suddenly reach outside of the mecha into space to fire a railgun... which shows why volume 22 happened as naturally as it did... (helicopter Touma, Mikoto...)
There are a ton of plot points throughout this arc that rely on strictly Index things that are far out of the scope that Nagai would have taken to prepare for this arc using Volume 3 of Index light novels for the Sisters Arc.

Spoiler for Length:

1. That's a major plot detail thing. I have no doubt Kamachi told them to have Study create a #4 Five Over, but I doubt their handling of it had anything to do with it.
2.Kamachi could either have had a mention of it when explaining the motivations of the villains or yes Nagai could have looked it up. Just because he chooses to ignore canon a lot doesn't mean he's not aware of it.
3.Why are you so convinced that she just started being idealistic now? Nagai has always had her be idealistic often to the point of stupidity.
4.A slightly-related theme (Touma doesn't actually care if people only value him for IB) doesn't mean Kamachi is absolutely involved.
5. Gensei was mentioned in the last anime-original bit too. Them choosing to show him doesn't change a thing.
6. This was just a slightly-out-of-character quick-and-easy solution to a problem. Your just assuming it was part of some greater reference or something.
7. ITEM had a few bit parts in this arc that were almost all fanservice. And their motivations were not kept similar at all, since there's no way Mugino wouldn't have tried to attack Misaka both times that she saw her. Do you not remember how she reacted to losing in volume 15? Her just letting Misaka go is completely OOC.
8. The Railgun-only viewers are perfectly aware that Terestina is/was deeply involved in the dark-side of AC, particularly the level 6 stuff. There was a whole arc showing that. The details of her family are irrelevant.
9. Knowing about an airline does not mean it's a reference. Why are you jumping to assume that every minor comparison is a carefully planned out reference?
10. They threw in the space elevator as a reference to the movie and because they needed some big thing for the villain to do. They don't have to be Kamachi to know about the movie for the series they're writing in. Where is this reference to Kanzaki?
11. Again, what does that have to do with Kamachi? Misaka fired a big Railgun before in another Railgun-original arc and they just copied that but in space.
12. Which implies Kanzaki was involved how? Nagai is perfectly aware the sisters can calculate things.
13. That's just her using a power of hers. Is her using electricity to fight a reference to WWIII. I can't even remember Misaka using that anyways, do you have the quote from the LN?
14. That's just them laying the ground works in case they decide to animate the arc.
15. Again that's just a very loose connection.

*deep breath*

All of this is nothing but at best circumstantial evidence that ignores all of the very un-Kamachi things that happened. Let me make a list of my own

Spoiler for My list:

1.AC tech being beaten by a group of judgment 99% of whom aren't using their powers. The only times in the entire series that AC military tech is pulled out and the other side doesn't experience at least some casualties is when they are facing Accelerator (or losing on purpose to Hamazura). Look at what those suits did to the entire city of Avignon.
2. Saten learning to pilot a super-advanced robot in one day of reading a manual. Kamachi had Hamazura have to get information downloaded into his brain to ride an advance motorcycle properly.
3. The majority of the arc spent on SoL.
4. The characters acting like their anime selves instead of their manga selves
5. The timeline being inconsistent with the rest of the series.
6. Anti-Skill getting bought off by supposedly ignored and unsuccessful characters.

All of this points to Kamachi having just given the key points of the arc. I get that you're trying to like the arc but that doesn't mean you should just pretend all of the bad stuff didn't happen and everything was planned. It is what it is.

God that was a lot of writing for a single post.

[LazyHunter]

Originally Posted by dniv

Furthermore, Touma didn't think Mikoto was evil, because she was his friend he immediately thought that she was the good guy even though there was no reason to do this. Why did he believe in her, because he was her friend. It wasn't because of anything except for the fact that he believes in the good of humanity even against overwhelming evidence. This has come up time and time again, so don't try to say that isn't true. :__: That's part of my point. This is why Mikoto can suddenly believe that this guy won't kill her and will stay true to his word. How else is she supposed to save Febri in this situation?

I don't really know how you can relate trusting a friend with trusting someone who has already tried to kill you and a harmless little girl a few times before. That's really not the same thing. At all. As explained before she had a lot of other options to save Febri (for example, using the speed she showed in the last episode or using magnetism to pull him towards her), she just didn't do it because the plot didn't allow her to end the arc there aka Plot Stupidity.

Zaarael told us Js06 said that Kamachi provided a lot of the major story details for this arc.

Providing a rough outline of the arc doesn't equal writing the arc.

Furthermore, let me give you some more implications as to why I believe this arc was written by Kamachi.

Let's list a long list of different types of evidence that I found.

Spoiler for Evidence that Silent Party was written by Kamachi (other than the fact that the name for the arc was evidently constructed by him) lolol:

1. There were references to attempts at modeling esper powers from scientific research. Five_Over, Five_Under take your pick.
2. There were references to the parameter list for crying out loud. I am pretty sure the novels covering that are way out of the scope that Nagai would have done to prepare for this arc, just saying.
3. Mikoto has started to follow Touma's idealism and this has started to explain why she now calls Touma a certain idiot, because he cares more about other people than himself and because his rules don't apply to himself and also because he believes in the good of people and risks his life because of his beliefs.
4. Mikoto is questioning whether she only has her friends because of the fact that she has the title Railgun and is a level 5. This is extremely similar to the comments: "Now that I have your imagine breaker you are only a piece of meat" (wording is only approximate in both cases) and the comments: "He was a precise missile to be shot at the enemy only for the purpose of his imagine breaker." "He was only powerful when he was surrounded by other powerful espers or magicians and was otherwise AN ORDINARY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT." "That right hand boy." "That reference point for the world." Touma intrigues many people only because of the fact that he has imagine breaker. There are others that actually like him as friends. Mikoto is clearly one of those people. Mikoto is questioning the same things right now. That's a huge reference to current plot currents being written by Kamachi :__:
5. Gensei was necessarily mentioned as involved in working on the level 6 shift and he was indeed cited as calling this chemicaloid project a silly project, which ties him into part of the darkness of the city... outside of just filler.
6. Assuming Mikoto is emulating Touma, Misaki was used as a plot device and Mikoto had to lower her pride to ask her to help her. This is consistent with the fact that at this point the two are at odds with each other, but Mikoto doesn't think Misaki is a psycho/loner person that wouldn't help her if she needed to ask her for help and that would hurt innocent people. At this point, she trusts Misaki... and kind of realizes that at this point she is necessary to mind-wipe the darkness so there won't be far-reaching consequences as to what happened in the city. This reference explains how NT 7 was also resolved just saying... since the both of them were there and there were a lot of crazy things that happened in the city... :__:
7. ITEM was deeply involved in this arc and their motivations were consistent throughout the arc. Rikou was nice and she didn't doom Mikoto when she clearly knew she was there in episode 22, (that was a pretty careful detailed orientated approach to how Rikou is as a character, I have to say...) Mugino became angry that she was being used as a lab-rat. She wanted to get money for her work. They were at the pool in their spare time which stuck to the canon. They had the scene from the sisters arc in episode 17 that was in the manga cartoon...
8. Terestina knew about what happened to Mikoto with the Sisters even though she shouldn't normally have been able to... and this wasn't explained to the viewers. In other words, it was implicitly assumed that we understood that Terestina is a Kihara and therefore able to acquire this information from either gensei or one of her many sources... (This is a big one as well...)
9. The airline was in district 23 (something that came up in NT 8...) Mikoto already had been to the airport and knew about it in other words which is why she knew a lot in NT 8 about it... Her friend also owns the airport... interesting huh?
10. The space elevator not only appeared, but the top of the elevator was done very correctly in order to have the right confirguration for the spell... and the missile was in space and referenced Kanzaki being in space.
11. Mikoto used a railgun to shoot something HUGE into space a very far distance away.
12. The Sisters used the network to calculate how exactly the trajectory of the rocket would appear among other things.
13. Mikoto moved super fast to stop the bullet (referencing NT 6...)
14. More references to liberal arts city...
15. Mikoto was not afraid of trying to suddenly reach outside of the mecha into space to fire a railgun... which shows why volume 22 happened as naturally as it did... (helicopter Touma, Mikoto...)
There are a ton of plot points throughout this arc that rely on strictly Index things that are far out of the scope that Nagai would have taken to prepare for this arc using Volume 3 of Index light novels for the Sisters Arc.

My answers to this:

Spoiler for Long list:

1. That wasn't a Five Over, not even close. Five Over as the name says is an attempt to overcome the powers of the Level 5 through technology alone. This is more a (downgraded) replication of Mugino's powers; basically plot recycled from last season's finale artificial railgun from Thelestina.
2. That is your assumption. It was hinted before then than esper powers were more a matter of natural talent, hinting that in Railgun isn't that far-fetched. The point of Parameter List is that the higher-ups from AC know how much effort and money they are going to spend to raise an esper levels so they focuse their efforts in the easier ones and leave the less talented in the dust. I don't think this was hinted at all.
3. Mikoto has never called Touma by her name (except once during VOl 22). She always refers to him as "you!" or "that idiot". That's nothing new and doesn't affect this arc at all.
4. This comparison is somewhat accurate but irrelevant to the arc. The difference of value of Touma vs IB's is a point raised a lot in Index.
5. Gensei has been involved with nearly all arcs in Railgun, as he was with last season filler. Nothing new. He's even less involved in this filler arc than the last one (all he did was to be eavesdropped mocking STUDY). He hasn't appear in Index (yet), he acts as a looming Big Bad for the Railgun series much like Aleister Crowley does for the Index series.
6. No. It was out-of character for her to ask for Misaki's help, especially for such a mineor problem, for reasons I explain here http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...97#post4852297 There's also no big reason or saving the innocent behind it, it's basically a stupid get-out-of-jail-free card for Shinobu to give her a happy ending.
7. ITEM was more deeply involved in the Sisters Ac and has already appeared on Railgun. Their appeareances in this arc were merely fanservice, both of the traditional kind (swimsuit scenes) and the cool kind (them beating the Powered Suits). As Ilidsor said Mugino would have attacked Mikoto on the spot. Rikou not giving away Mikoto spying on them was a bit OOC but ultimately meaningless.
8. Thelestina being a Kihara and being involved with the darkness of AC was already revealed last season. Irrelevant.
9. That's wrong. Distric 23 has always been the airport and the aeronautics and space research district of AC, it's nothing new. Kongou's father has an airline company, fail to see why this is tied to Index or important.
10. A reference to the Index movie is not far-fetched, it just came out. The missile was basically an excuse for Mikoto to do a big Railgun to end the season; another plot point directly ripped from last season's filler.
11. See above. Not sure why you use this as an argument
12. Esper powers are based on calculations, and thus espers are really good at math and physics. Nothing new there.
13. Mikoto gaining a burst of speed is not related to the super reflexes she has already shown to have in this same season during the Sisters Arc (during the ITEM fight). Not really related to NT6.
14. Basically teased at the start of the season and (hopefully) announced to be next at the very end. Not connected to the filler arc in any way.
15. What does that have to with anything?That's just her being brave, hopefully you won't say that's new or anything.

Your last lines are a big assumption. Nagai has probably read Index (I would guess it would be only proffesional). He simply doesn't care if the Railgun anime makes a mess of the timeline.

Dniv, instead of posting more arguments first why don't you try to explain why do you think ours are wrong (one by one please, easy with the walls of text) and we can start from there

[Reality_Breaker]

Eh, it's not really a matter of liking or disliking her. Misaka is the only character who's had that many scenes devoted solely to her relationship with Touma (or lack thereof). I just don't think Kamachi put all those scenes out there without an intent to use them.

Should probably take this discussion to the Misaka thread if anyone wants to continue it though.

Exactly how I feel, why have all of that development between them to just forget it and before someone mentions it no, Touma did not ditch Misaka, in NT.3 Touma himself says that he doesn't want someone who cares about him to that extent to get mixed up, not in those words but he says so, and no the crossover is not cannon.

[Goldzero]

Originally Posted by Reality_Breaker

Exactly how I feel, why have all of that development between them to just forget it and before someone mentions it no, Touma did not ditch Misaka, in NT.3 Touma himself says that he doesn't want someone who cares about him to that extent to get mixed up, not in those words but he says so, and no the crossover is not cannon.

the crossover was just for fun, plus what was the scene the made few fans believed it wasn't going to happen this pairing?

[ACertainStark]

Crossover was comedic.

[ACertainStark]

Fans on either side will pick point(s) and use that, obviously. Especially evident in shipping wars.

Plus, picking on each other, lol.

In regards to the crossover, I was happy he used specifically Touma and Mikoto for it and not someone else. That's how I saw it.

[Shinhwa]

Yeah, I am glad it had Mikoto and Touma in it.

I wonder if it depicts something~~~?

[Birdway]

Originally Posted by Shinhwa

Yeah, I am glad it had Mikoto and Touma in it.

I wonder if it depicts something~~~?

Its called pandering to shippers who are into the series for such reasons. Mikoto has feelings for him, and? Touma doesn't has any for her, thus the most popular one sided relationship of all time I've seen so far.

@ACertainStark
Because she sells, she is a marketing figure obviously, it doesn't matters if it's comedic, at the end, the characters aren't out of themselves and talk what they would within the series, it's been done for Kamachi for a reason, I find contradictory to take Narita's SS as canon but then dismiss one Kamachi himself wrote.

[ACertainStark]

I don't know why you are replying to months old posts but enjoy lol.

Originally Posted by Ruizari

Happy Birthday Misaka Mikoto!(May 2)

[Birdway]

Well, the subforum is pretty much dead (need to add some fuel in the fire).

[Ravagerblade]

^^^^technically It's not her birthday sure tomorrow may be may 2nd, but in the story the timeline isn't even pass December.

[Birdway]

Btw, there is an image thread for that, don't let it go to the oblivion.

[ACertainStark]

Originally Posted by Birdway

Well, the subforum is pretty much dead (need to add some fuel in the fire).

That's so true.

And yeah whoops.

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

^^^^technically It's not her birthday sure tomorrow may be may 2nd, but in the story the timeline isn't even pass December.

May 2nd in Japan though!

[Haigon]

This thread is too dead on her Birthday.

Cheer up guys.

[desrtsku]

Today is Mikoto's Birthday.

Happy Birthday, Mikoto-chan!