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again when mashima was to start to write fairy tail he told in a interview exactly what gonna happen, he not made any false promisse about the plot, was very clear: lightheaded(almost no deaths with the heros aways wins) comedy(one of the 3 more important focus of the manga by mashima, this means who if you want a dark or tragic story you loose your time) Friendship and family(no matter of what can happen, "nakama"(friend) and family bounds aways come first after that 3 main plots then come the secondary plots: - lucy life after joining FT(she is the main protagonis of this work, natsu is the second) - natsu search for igneel and others dragons - what happen in the 777 year when all dragons vanish and lucy mother died - the adventures of the FT guild having this is mind then after 300+ manga chapters, 160+ anime episodes, 4 ovas and one movie, FT aways gonna continue wins all the fights, aways erza gonna be overpower(even more than natsu), aways gray gonna strip the cloths, aways natsu gonna have transport issues we only gonna see arc related only good peoples diyng(1 or 2), aways the bad guys gonna be folderized, maybe we gonna get little changes here and there but in overall nothing big gonna change, then is important for you dont have impossible hopes of change(ft loose, peoples dying, erza being weak, big plot change, being more tragic and darkness), if you want something more dark then read mashima previous work rave master was much more dark than FT(and that is the reason who mashima made a completely different work, he was a few disgusted with too much darkness in his previous work). Last edited by ellessarr; 2013-02-17 at 12:39. |
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Thus, what *you* want is not what the majority want. I've come across stuff like this before, where the majority liked something I didn't. I simply left that fandom. It sucks, I know, to have people like something that I feel was fairly bad. Hell, I felt Madoka was mediocre at best, and flawed at worst, and yet people treat it as the greatest thing ever. But you know what? I simply left the fandom (though for that one, I only stuck around long enough to see the short anime series end). I let people enjoy the things they like, instead of hanging around, hating on them and calling them wrong. Quote:
I won't go into other series, because we've already wandered off the topic of this thread long enough. Suffice it to say, Fairy Tail is not Serei, it is not Full Metal Alchemist, and it is not anything else you could mention. It's not going to behave like them. It is not going to treat physics like they do. It is not going to have their stories. Ever. Complaining that it doesn't, is just tilting at windmills. You may as well complain that Fairy Tail isn't turning into a soap opera where everyone is sleeping with everyone else. It's simply Not. Going. To. Happen. Erza is going to continue one-shotting people. I'm just letting you know what to expect, so when you complain about it later, you'll at least be warned. She, like every other shonen hero, is going to take damage over and over, and yet stand up over and over, and finally get that surge of strength to end the fight. Perhaps she'll cause some damage during the fight that ultimately allow the one-shot to work. Or maybe Mashima will surprise us with something else; See the Hades fight where it was the 3 cats taking out the heart that beat Hades. That's actually fairly interesting and unique among shonen. Quote:
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2013-02-17, 17:37 | Link #103 |
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Just wondering - what do people reckon the extent of Erza's telekinesis was around the last time it could be checked? (weight/size liftable, force, range etc)
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2013-02-17, 19:59 | Link #104 |
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As a martial artist, I do agree with that logic. However, problem with FT is that it works only for main cast. Let's take Erza VS Kagura. If Erza had delivered all those blows to Kagura, she would be unconscious lying on the floor. If Kagura were to deliver a hit like Erza, Erza would still be fine like nothing happened. It is simply one sided. FT is having exactly same problem as Bleach, fights are predictable and give you no thrill. Kaijo As I said in other post I want for this useless argument to die down so I'll only comment on few small things and will leave out the rest since you still don't get me. "I'm just letting you know what to expect" That's the main problem... fiction, especially adventure and action one, are supposed to surprise audience and not give it what is expected all the time. It simply becomes redundant and shows lack of creativity on authors part. Stuff like that is called cliche. I'm an open minded person and try to watch everything I can. I drop stuff very rarely, only when it is a clear disaster with no potential what so ever. Besides finding good stuff becomes harder and harder lately. I have never even once asked for anything impossible. Everything I said could be easily used in FT setting without making it OOC. It would only make things better. If raging on Magi will make you feel better, go ahead. Letting steam out is needed from time to time anyway. Episode 18 is a perfect place to start
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2013-02-17, 20:59 | Link #105 | ||||
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You want Fairy Tail to be more realistic. We explained what that realism would really mean. You chose to ignore that reality in favor of a reality in your head, that isn't reality at all. So, what you should have said was: "I want Fairy Tail to be written the way I want it to, to entertain me." And I kinda addressed that by saying that no series is ever written for one person, and no series will please everyone. Mashima is writing a series that appeals to many people, enough to keep it going, and that's just how it is. Quote:
The good news is, things do slowly change over time. Mashima has introduced concepts outside of typical shonen(strong males and females fighting together), and by showing that the fans will still stick to it, we can hold out hope that the next shonen manga to come along will pick up those concepts and introduce even more changes. If you think things are cliche and bad now, then you haven't seen ANYTHING. Go back and watch some earlier shonen, like Dragon Ball Z. The genre has evolved, and will continue to do so. And for God's sake, don't go back and watch what we had to put up with in the 80's and 90's, heh. You wanna talk cliche? You don't know cliche! Compared to what we had, Fairy Tail is a huge breath of fresh air. The older fans among us know this, which is probably why we like Fairy Tail, because we know how different it really is. Quote:
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2013-02-18, 18:19 | Link #107 |
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I get where Kitten is coming from. I felt like that about bleach from the arrancar arc. It's that in-between stage where you still like something but you only ever notice the bad things about it any more. With bleach I stopped caring and started to enjoy the train-wreck.
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2013-02-18, 20:19 | Link #108 |
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Oh, I know where he/she is coming from, too. I'd agree with you about using Bleach as an example, because it was one I liked during the Rukia arc. After that, though, it kinda fell apart for me. It focused strictly on fights, and dropped all that interesting personal interaction and deeper conversation about things beyond just fighting.
But here's the thing: I didn't go into Bleach forums and bitch about it. I recognized that Kibo was writing it for people that weren't me, and it wasn't about to turn back into what I liked. So, I realized I could either bitch about it which would accomplish nothing except make me look like an ass. Or I could simply hang up my Bleach banner and go watch something else. So, I think we all understand kitten's feelings and point of view. It's just that kitten hasn't come to understand why bitching is ultimately pointless and self-destructive. Especially when the reasons given get proven false. We've said for a long time that whether you like or dislike something, is a personal subjective choice. You don't need to try and justify it by claiming things that aren't objectively true. |
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Now that I think about it, other than in Heaven's Wheel, the Tower of Heaven (her first use of magic) and any anime-only bits which most likely don't count anyway (such as the fight with Jose), have there been any instances where she has made use of it? Last edited by Inept Forum User; 2013-02-19 at 16:58. Reason: Trying to improve post. Can't seem to put it into words. |
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2013-02-19, 17:17 | Link #110 |
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Well, there was that bit where she was in her Black Wing Armor against Jose and was controlling the sword to try and run herself through...but that differs from what happened in the manga because Jose's control broke when Makarov entered the scene. I wonder if it was the anime's way of saying 'Hey, she can control her swords like this in any armor, not just Heaven's Wheel'.
Her duel against Midnight is an example (Chapter 154). When she equipped the Robe of Yuan and Midnight wrapped the robe around her, she summomed the swords above him. At the very least, she can control where the weapons summon from, even without wearing the Heaven's Wheel Armor. But to actively control them, as was demonstrated when she first awakened her magical power, seems she reserves that only for Heaven's Wheel - it might allow her to focus better on the telekenetic part of her power since she equipped that one to take out 200 individual targets at the same time. Its too bad that she's not developed the actual telekenetic control of her power - pulling any weapon in range to her and fighting on with that, or controlling several swords at once all around her to attack and defend at the same time without having to actually hold them - buuut that might have made her too game-breaking of a character and as some people have said in different ways, Erza is 'game-breaking' enough - literally. If she was to ever reach that level of power, definitely a Wizard Saint.
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2013-03-10, 21:11 | Link #111 | |
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Erza's fights per arc: Lullaby arc - Took out some trash, and assisted against the flute demon. Galuna island - She just tossed a spear at the sky with a new armor Phantom arc - Blocked Jupiter beam, charged at Aria slicing his airspace apart and finished him with one blow (but using an armor we had seen before). And then repeatedly failed against Jose (despite pulling out a new armor). Heaven's Tower - Was beaten and captured by her previous friends. Fought Ikaruga for awhile, failing at first, before using her now infamous bandage armor (might be considered #1 as per your complaint, but she had to struggle a bit first to learn her opponent's attacks and grow as a character). Fought against Jellal, but failed. Thunder Palace arc - Was stoned for most of it, fought Evergreen and won with a bluff. Briefly tangled with Laxus, before switching with Natsu. New armor, but she didn't beat Laxus with it. Oracion Seis - Lost to OS badly at first, using a new armor. Fought Midnight, and as before, struggled for a time to understand his attacks before pinpointing his weaknesses; saw through his illusion after a bit, and defeated him. Did use a new armor, but that was more defense against his first "form." Still, might be considered #2 (defeat someone with one slash using a new armor). Daphne arc - fought some lizardmen and helped attack the big dragon Edolas arc - Fought her counterpart in a longish fight, that ended with them both on the ground; brought out a new armor, but only earned her a draw. Might be considered a #3, though. Tenrou Island arc - Briefly fought Meldy before Juvia took over, then fought Azuma. As before, struggled for awhile, before finally managing to beat him (no new armor this time). Joined in the fight against Acnologia, but lost along with the rest. Clock arc - I don't remember this arc too well, and no desire to rewatch it at this time, but she did fight against Cobra 2.0, and couldn't beat him until he got distracted(and Cobra had her beat). No new armor. Magic Games arc - Takes on the 100 monsters, but no new armor. Tangled with Kagura, but managed to beat her; no new armor. Finally, in the latest manga installment, we see her pull out a new armor to win against Minerva after tangling with her for a bit to learn her attacks. So, grand total of Erza pulling out a new armor to defeat someone? Possibly 3 times, if we're being liberal and really stretching it. In all of her tough fights, she usually gets beat down at least a bit, before learning her opponent's attacks and then choosing an armor to use against them. And in not all cases did a new armor help. But 4 or 5? That would be pushing it. And we definitely see a great variety in her fights; wins, losses, and even a draw. We've seen a grand total of 16 armors from Erza (including the seduction and Farewell armors), so considering she is supposed to have over a hundred, we've barely scratched the surface. Erza is consistently shown to be one of the strongest, smartest, and most versatile mages around. She holds back and only uses as much power as she needs to. Takes time to learn her opponent's attack, and then hits them with the best armor/weapon combo. In other words, she brings skill, as well as power, to her fights. Not just pure shonen power. That is a big reason that I, and many others like her. It's extremely rare to see such an ass kicking female in shonen, let alone one who is generally stronger than the main character. Her backstory, relationships, and feelings that give her depth, are a decidedly welcome bonus. You don't have to like her or the series, and I commend you on the decision to drop a series that no longer interests you. But for those of us who remain, I thought I'd clear up a few of the misconceptions. Edit: To add a bit more about the comparison with DBZ... while it is true there is some variety there, most often it is Goku (or Gohan) who powers up midfight and turns it into a one-way pwn match. The Goku/Vegeta fight was actually one of the best fights of the entire series, and one of the reasons I kept watching into the Frieza arc. But I mostly dropped it after that, after getting tired of how useless practically everyone else was. Little did I know, that DBZ was gonna turn all the humans into repeated target practice (see: "Krillin owned" counter from DBZ abridged). One of the big reasons I like Fairy Tail, is that everyone in FT usually has a good moment to shine in a fight in each arc. At least the mains, if not the secondaries, too. And at least we know Erza has a bunch of armors, so her pulling a new one out in a fight makes sense. Goku suddenly going Super Saiyan (and then every other Saiyan, as they hit SS2, SS3, and SS4) was pulled out of nowhere. If you think Erza's armors are bad, you must think Goku's SS-asspull was horrible. Last edited by Kaijo; 2013-03-10 at 21:28. |
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But in general yeah. Lots of people complain about Erza "always" pulling out a new armor to win, when it's seldom been something she's actually done. They also complain about her "always" pulling out "ultimate" armors when she's pulled out three armors that could be described as that, and only twice has said armor gotten her victory, and only one time has the armor remained intact afterwards. Really, some of the complaints seem to be a function of people forgetting that Erza is not Lucy. Lucy was a rookie, just starting out at the guild. She had a limited number of keys, and no further spells. For her to get new powerful and unique gold keys, we needed to know how she managed to obtain something that isn't normally sold in stores. Likewise for spells we needed something that inspired her to learn a given spell, etc. How she obtained her starter keys on the other hand is just trivia. Erza on the other hand is a veteran. She's spent four years as an S-Class wizard. She's been on dozens of S-Class missions with their higher rewards. She casually pays 500,000 jewels a month to have enough storage space to store all the weapons and armor she's collected. Over a hundred armors that she carries with her, hundreds of weapons. We don't need to know how she got all of them. Like the gold keys Lucy started with, knowing where Erza got her weapons and armor is just trivia. Where did Erza get the Purgatory Armor? An S-Class mission. Where did Erza get the Nakagami Armor? An S-Class mission. Where did Erza get the Heavean's Wheel armor? Bought it in a store with money earned from an S-Class mission. Those are the sorts of answers you'll see if they start explaining. They're as relevant as the question "Where did Erza get the "Evil Crushing Spear" she used on Galuna Island. They're all trival because we know Erza is a veteran with lots of money, and a large store room. It's expected that as a veteran she'll have some rare and unique stuff lying around, as well as stuff she can't use yet. |
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2013-03-11, 22:53 | Link #113 |
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The Sea King Armor was easier to swallow since it was an element-based armor and she'd already established a precedence for using those types already. That's easily understandable and for one in her position, going against Natsu and Gray for a good portion of her life, she should have access to those types.
I don't really care how she got ALL her armors, I just want to know how she got THIS particular one. It's one hell of an ultra rare drop for an S-class mission, but if that's how she got it - fine, I still know how she got it. If Makarov pulled strings to get her the armor because he believed in her potential, that's fine too. If she went 'Kyaa~' as she fell into a pit where the path at the bottom lead to were the armor was stored, that's fine too, I still know HOW she got it. Call it 'curiosity' :3
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So basically negate Erza's armor ability and she's screwed. and because Natsu always go DBZ mode most of the time is it about time for Natsu to be the same level of strength as Erza?
for those who are discussing Bleach, the manga is back to its prime and things are very much interesting
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One question I have regarding Erza: WTF is up with her not instantly going for the jugular and pulling out her best armors first? Armadura gives her a freaking beam aura and can tank the effective force of a nuke (one swing of Ravelt = say goodbye to an entire city). Nakagami allows her to break all rules of magic and just one-shot people no questions asked. Instead, we see her in lower-tier armors or no armor at all (flame pants).
And it isn't like an armor that gets destroyed is suddenly gone for good. We've seen her adamantine go completely kaboom from Jupiter, and she's used it multiple times since. We've seen her other armors get trashed against Ikaruga which then got reused. Why are Armadura and Nakagami one-and-done so far? |
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