2008-05-15, 08:58 | Link #101 |
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Hmmm... you know I'm wondering who has the most control/power in the colony fleets. In M7 it seemed like the Captain of the main Macross Ship (Battle 7) was most likely the head of the NUNS and it seemed like he shared equal power with the mayor/president of City 7.
Though this could be in part that they were married. Frontier it looks like the President has the most power, though we have yet to see the head of the NUNS fleet. I highly doubt Leon is highest ranking NUNS officer in the fleet. -- edit in-- just a small thing but why isn't there an "admiral" ranking officer in the fleets? It would make sense for them to have that be highest rank. |
2008-05-15, 09:04 | Link #102 | |
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Nope, Abh are not aliens. They're just a genetically modified sub-species of man made for colonising deep space. |
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2008-05-15, 10:29 | Link #103 | |
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We saw Battle Frontier's captain in episode one. When you think about it these are small escort fleets compared to the Zentradi war machine that make up most of UN Spacy. I'm beggining to think there is greater civilian oversight over the military than 14 years earlier. Maybe that's why UN Spacy calls itself NUNS nowadays. What did those stuffy admirals say when Macross 7 were facing an unknown enemy? Your on your own. What did they say when Macross 7 encountered a fleet of giant girls? They're hopeless blow them up. Heck those stuffy shirts were considering making pilots obsolete with a AI fighter. If that does not require a revamp of the human side of the organization I don't know what does. |
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2008-05-15, 12:20 | Link #106 |
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Well M+ showed us that the tech was there to build a highly advance AI fighter that could compete with high level pilots using cutting edge fighters.
MF the decultured ep1 showed they do deployed unmanned fighters. Something must have happened to create this man/unmanned combine arms approach. IE meeting aliens/cultures that could produce tons of EM jamming. |
2008-05-15, 15:05 | Link #108 | |
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2008-05-15, 15:19 | Link #109 | |
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The Drones serve as skirmishers, and as you said, they test enemy defenses without risking lives. Although at the same time, based on what we learned in Macross Plus, I think they did seriously consider for drones to serve as front-line material, even if their intelligence isn't on par with the best pilots, it has to be up there somewhere. Unfortunately, they fail at electronic warfare. - Tak |
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2008-05-15, 16:02 | Link #111 | |
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You have to ask yourself, is your PC more durable then the smart mobile phone? They both have a CPU, except one can be use to run complex programs, while the other has to make do with simpler ones. However i've dropped my phone down the toilet once and left one in the washing machine and amazingly they both survived. They weren't even "tough" mobile phones either. However if you did that to a pc, i doubt they would survive. The point being, that a far simpler system requires a far less complex and easier system to shield, and if the EW protection fails to cover it 100% well, it won't do much, there is a far larger tolerance in terms of circuity and programming. its robust. However it seems that for a full A.I system, you have a far lower tolerance, the EW shielding has to be at a higher standard, if it drops for only a moment, flicker or don't provide the system with 100% protection it's going mess up a while lot of very complex programming, put one little kink and the answer is vastly different. You have to assume that when you encounter an alien technology for the first time, you cannot assume that your standard of EW protection will be 100%. EW only works a few times during conflict until the enemy develop an effective countermeasure. Be assured that if A.I. controlled drones are valued, then no doubt they will be back later on, with effective protection.
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2008-05-15, 16:32 | Link #113 | |
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Government set standards for things, from commercial household products to industrial equipments. As designers we want the best that will conform or exceed these set standards. But in the end, manufacture, cost, materials, even political influence will strip away at these idealistic goals. The point being, that eventually for realistic results you will have to make compromises, as long as you reach a set "standard" that allow you to put your product on the market and also have a distinctive advantage over your other competitors then by definition it is "good". However we are talking about an alien encounter, for all we know, the "compromises" they took in the design of the A.I. fighter was one that by NUNS standards, meet the requirements against known human/zentradi EW technology. But these alternative and lacking EW protection to certain areas of the design are vulnerable to VAJRA attacks, in parts that are perfectly capable to defeat NUNS EW tech. or perhaps something entire exotic that by pass all known countermeasures. In short, you won't know until you encounter them.
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2008-05-16, 06:55 | Link #114 |
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Macross Galaxy is different from other Macross fleets that we've seen.
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While Macross fleets like Macross 5, 7, 13 and Frontier have shell dome cities with a New Macross class battleship, Macross Galaxy appears to be a throwback to the old Megaroad class with a single large colony. |
2008-05-16, 10:57 | Link #115 |
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more funky and liberal design, i won't say a "throwback" because it clearly isn't.
But it seems that the 2nd wave of fleets from Eden have a different standard for their colony fleets. Some would say, the enclosed method is more practical, as in less energy is spent on holographic projectors, forcefield enclosed atmosphere, and the use of a clamshell physical shield that will have to be physical closed in case of emergencies. But we have to see if it has an attached battle flagship, at the moment the pictures don't show anything. If it has no Military command Flagship equivalent to the New Macross Class, then we have to assume the military and civilian command are on one ship. Which will then put it on the same philosophy as the earlier fleets that consisted of Megaroad class ships.
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2008-05-16, 13:12 | Link #117 | |
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I guess it must have some sort of military flagship, on par with the New Macross Class. But with the funky purple design, im not really sure where it's suppose to dock to the colony ship, which i assume is the big purple thing.
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2008-05-17, 05:44 | Link #118 |
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Noticing differences between Galaxy and Frontier such as cybernetics policies I'm beginning to think that Earth and New Eden may reflect these policies. Being point of origins f these fleets.
Frontier left from Earth. Galaxy left from New Eden. |
2008-05-17, 19:59 | Link #120 |
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You know it kinda makes sense there aren't much Zentradi in Galaxy particularly the giant ones.
Implants don't grow or get shrunk with Zentradi. Which would also explain why Vrlithwai didn't undergo miclonization. His eyepiece is cybernetic. Miclonization has always been a choice for Zentradi but cybernetics limits that choice. |
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