Mahouka - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by miroku2192

So why can't Miyuki just Nilfheim the hell out of the car and freeze it in its path?

Is she willing to let people know her ace card? when some other spell will help out; wait till next episode and find out. but if you want to go into more discussion why go to the LN thread so we can answer more thoroughly.

[Seitsuki]

To all of you who are so enthusiastic about the series good for you, that's great, but please don't keep throwing out lines like 'well if you read the LN' or 'as a LN reader' and so on. If they tick me off that much, well, imagine how everyone else must feel In fact, could the LN just be left out of the anime threads? There's a place for that after all..

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

To all of you who are so enthusiastic about the series good for you, that's great, but please don't keep throwing out lines like 'well if you read the LN' or 'as a LN reader' and so on. If they tick me off that much, well, imagine how everyone else must feel In fact, could the LN just be left out of the anime threads? There's a place for that after all..

|Thanks but no thanks, don't tell me what to do/I decline. Ignoring it would be best, Of course it's your opinion on this matter. There's nothing wrong with promoting as long as there is no spoiling involved, least till a mod says so I'll do it till my hearts content. |

The pacing of the first part of this episode felt like it was rushed.
From the point where Tatsuya and Miyuki come into the FLT lab everybody just hovers over to them, seems kind of lax for a companies workers but w/e I guess the situation called for all the workers to gather into a group instead of doing their jobs. lol

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

|Thanks but no thanks, don't tell me what to do/I decline. Ignoring it would be best, Of course it's your opinion on this matter. There's nothing wrong with promoting as long as there is no spoiling involved, least till a mod says so I'll do it till my hearts content. |

The pacing of the first part of this episode felt like it was rushed.
From the point where Tatsuya and Miyuki come into the FLT lab everybody just hovers over to them, seems kind of lax for a companies workers but w/e I guess the situation called for all the workers to gather into a group instead of doing their jobs. lol

They were being graced by Saint Tatsuya and his all encompassing presence.

[bigdeath]

Awww, the poor student president struck out hard with our magic jesus. That girl was right, he is immune to her bewitching face. lol

WTF was that cliffhanger? How does a car even flip that high into the air and then burst into flames while continuing to roll at a high speed? Just how bloody fast was the car going?

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

They were being graced by Saint Tatsuya and his all encompassing presence.

lol He's the shining light at the end of the tunnel eh?

[Marcus H.]

Thanks but no thanks, don't tell me what to do/I decline. Ignoring it would be best, Of course it's your opinion on this matter. There's nothing wrong with promoting as long as there is no spoiling involved, least till a mod says so I'll do it till my hearts content.

That's why the Index and Railgun subforums are great place to be as an anime-only fan.

[bigdeath]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

lol He's the shining light at the end of the tunnel eh?

Tatsuya is destined to die for our sins and be resurrected. After all, we already have seen that he can "reboot" himself.

He is Neo, he is the ONE!

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

That's why the Index and Railgun subforums are great place to be as an anime-only fan.

I visit those, I practically live there lol.... do you see my avatar and sig? (well the whole of the Indexverse thread).

anyways this episode I rated it a 5/10, below average. So many faults imo.

[Seitsuki]

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

|Thanks but no thanks, don't tell me what to do/I decline. Ignoring it would be best, Of course it's your opinion on this matter. There's nothing wrong with promoting as long as there is no spoiling involved, least till a mod says so I'll do it till my hearts content. |

Do you...actually realise how incredibly smug and condescending it sounds when you say stuff like that? My point is it's incredibly off-putting and kills discussions when any argument is just met with a 'in the LNs blah blah if you read it you'd understand blah' type response.

[Verisimilitude]

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Do you...actually realise how incredibly smug and condescending it sounds when you say stuff like that? My point is it's incredibly off-putting and kills discussions when any argument is just met with a 'in the LNs blah blah if you read it you'd understand blah' type response.

I agree with Seitsuki. Even as an LN reader, that kind of response is just as bad as the people that come in to slag the show again and again with the same old reasons. Both are annoying and contribute little to the discussion.

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Do you...actually realise how incredibly smug and condescending it sounds when you say stuff like that? My point is it's incredibly off-putting and kills discussions when any argument is just met with a 'in the LNs blah blah if you read it you'd understand blah' type response.

I realize, it's rude and inconsiderate. But just as the phrase 'What ever floats your boat' is a pet peeve to me it's not like I tell people to stop saying it even if it bothers me, occasionally they realize and stop or they'll keep doing it.

Just because you don't like doesn't mean others will too, if people want higher understanding then they should go read the LN, what if they didn't know it existed and by me telling them that and they go read it and enjoy it then it's a plus, it's inconsiderate for you to dismiss this way of thinking, everybody holds different views you can't control people until you want to be a tyrant. Of course if majority rules it out then that's that.

[Marcus H.]

if people want higher understanding then they should go read the LN

Which is moot because we're dealing with anime-only viewers who know very well about the source and still decide to keep to the anime.

[Ravagerblade]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Which is moot because we're dealing with anime-only viewers who know very well about the source and still decide to keep to the anime.

I used to be an anime-only viewer, because I didn't even know Light Novels existed. But little ol' me found them and got hooked. (this doesn't involve this series, it was another series that got me hooked on reading LN's, TMNI)

[larethian]

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

Do you...actually realise how incredibly smug and condescending it sounds when you say stuff like that? My point is it's incredibly off-putting and kills discussions when any argument is just met with a 'in the LNs blah blah if you read it you'd understand blah' type response.

That's why I have set my "ignore list" to ignore those who keep harping on the same points like a broken record every episode, both the "for" and "against" posters . They just make the thread tiresome to read. There are only a few anime-only viewers' posters' posts which I look forward to reading here. Wish the +ve rep system is still in place for these kind of circumstances


Anyway, I love how this episode debunks the speculation that Tatsuya Shiba is Taurus Silver, but just Mr. Silver.

I love how it debunks the myth that Tatsuya is a know-all.

I love the reaction between Miki and Midzuki. She's cute without her glasses

I love all that Yotsuba hate towards Tatsuya and the obvious hints of hardships that he has gone through.

I thoroughly enjoy Tatsuya's comments to Mayumi and her reactions. They make me laugh

About the hair colors and the other cosmetic changes, I think it's an aesthetic choice to avoid the anime from appearing too plain and for the anime audience to more easily distinguish each character.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

-There is confirmation that Tatsuya is Silver Taurus, one of top elite engineers of the world who advanced CAD research 10 years.

Correction, as larethian said above he is Mr. Silver. Taurus is Ushiyama (a word play on his name actually, Ushi means cattle / cow). And as other people already pointed out, the episode said that Tatsuya is doing the software, while the hardware part is all Mr. Taurus.

Originally Posted by larethian

I love how it debunks the myth that Tatsuya is a know-all.

I thoroughly enjoy Tatsuya's comments to Mayumi and her reactions. They make me laugh

Won't stop detractors from describing him as the second coming of Jesus though.

About that second point, every Mayumi scene where she showcases her playfulness is a good one. Especially when she hits the stone wall that is Tatsuya's emotionlessness.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by SigUp

Correction, as larethian said above he is Mr. Silver. Taurus is Ushiyama (a word play on his name actually, Ushi means cattle / cow). And as other people already pointed out, the episode said that Tatsuya is doing the software, while the hardware part is all Mr. Taurus.

However, how much of that is really true? As in, how much of contribution in percentages is it between them? Is it really a 50/50 relationship, or is it more of 90/10 relationship? How much of it is true genius compared with how much of it is just following through? Ushiyama does outright state that he works for Tatsuya, and it was Tatsuya who advanced CAD technology 10 years forward. So while the naming convention does include both of them, Tatsuya probably is the one that is the true genius behind the name. Is Ushiyama a genius as well, or could he be replaced by another researcher who can do the hardware?

[Kakurin]

Thinking about Tatsuya, while his abilities are off the charts and in my eyes a little bit too much (especially with that unneeded over the top gushing received in the anime, would wish for the side characters to get more fleshing out), he is far from a perfect character. A Jesus so to speak. His emotions are severely lacking from what we can see up to episode 9. Everything he says has the look of a calculated response (good job by Nakamura Yuuichi giving that impression without making him too dull), never really coming from his heart so to speak. And looking at his relationships with non-Miyuki people I'd say they are very superficial because of that aspect.

I have the feeling that the main reason for people to be initially drawn to him are due to his abilities and not due to him as a person. Thus the other people have no problems of moving onwards to other people as main interests, because he can't build up a deeper understanding with them. And he doesn't really care about that. I have no doubt that should a situation occur where they are getting in his or Miyuki's way he wouldn't hesitate for a second before moving against them. Going by that statement of some people how Tatsuya's a character for self-projection, I wonder how many would truly like to switch with him considering his entire person? You'll have all the power but no real relationship besides your sister. It kind of reminds me of many geniuses that apperead throughout the course of history. Brilliant in their field of specialisation, but with great personal problems with a severe lack of emotional intelligence.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

However, how much of that is really true? As in, how much of contribution in percentages is it between them? Is it really a 50/50 relationship, or is it more of 90/10 relationship? How much of it is true genius compared with how much of it is just following through? Ushiyama does outright state that he works for Tatsuya, and it was Tatsuya who advanced CAD technology 10 years forward. So while the naming convention does include both of them, Tatsuya probably is the one that is the true genius behind the name. Is Ushiyama a genius as well, or could he be replaced by another researcher who can do the hardware?

You can likewise turn it around and ask is Ushiyama only being overly humble? Tatsuya did state that Ushiyama is the head of that facility. A part from that reaction by Ushiyama may very well be because Tatsuya is a part of the Yotsuba family and so to speak employs them (which may be a very interesting contrast to the reception by members of the Yotsuba family itself who see him only as a bodyguard). Tatsuya also stated that without the technical assistance by Ushiyama the loop casting system couldn't have been realised. From the little bits we have gotten until now I'd say the look is more like of Tatsuya being the theoretician and Ushiyama being the guy who turns the theory into reality. If I borrow an analogy it's kind of like in physics where you have a group that comes up with new theories using mathematical models as a foundation, while the other group then thinks of a way to prove that theory in practice. Whether the relationship is 50/50, 60/40, 70/30 etc. is open to interpretation, but there is a need from Tatsuya's side for Ushiyama. He can't realise his plans without Ushiyama and that's all it counts.

[karice67]

@Seitsuki

Originally Posted by Seitsuki

To all of you who are so enthusiastic about the series good for you, that's great, but please don't keep throwing out lines like 'well if you read the LN' or 'as a LN reader' and so on. If they tick me off that much, well, imagine how everyone else must feel In fact, could the LN just be left out of the anime threads? There's a place for that after all..

Normally, I would agree. However, if you were referring to Ravagerblade's post at the top of the last page, that's not what he/she said.

Admittedly, rather than replying in the thread, I think that Ravagerblade could have PM'd miroku or ignored this particular question (because it's about something that can and hopefully will be discussed next episode). However, there is still a difference between what you wrote and:

Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

but if you want to go into more discussion why go to the LN thread so we can answer more thoroughly.

And I personally think that suggesting that posters go to the light novel threads should be ok.

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However, @Ravagerblade and other LN readers, I agree with Seitsuki that to keep mentioning that you've read the LN is not particularly useful and probably quite irritating to most anime-only viewers. I think that there are more constructive ways of sharing your understanding or appreciation of Mahouka than by constantly alluding to what the novel did better or mentioned at particular points and/or telling anime viewers to go to the novel forum for discussion. For example, you can point out questions raised by what has been revealed to us, as thundrakkon did a number of posts back.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

There were many things in this episode with bits and pieces of information. It will require a second viewing to digest it all.

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Summary of key points

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My guess is either Miyuki will cast an ice wall or Tatsuya will swoop in front, dispell all cast magic, and cast a forced push off spell.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by SigUp

You can likewise turn it around and ask is Ushiyama only being overly humble? Tatsuya did state that Ushiyama is the head of that facility. A part from that reaction by Ushiyama may very well be because Tatsuya is a part of the Yotsuba family and so to speak employs them (which may be a very interesting contrast to the reception by members of the Yotsuba family itself who see him only as a bodyguard). Tatsuya also stated that without the technical assistance by Ushiyama the loop casting system couldn't have been realised. From the little bits we have gotten until now I'd say the look is more like of Tatsuya being the theoretician and Ushiyama being the guy who turns the theory into reality. If I borrow an analogy it's kind of like in physics where you have a group that comes up with new theories using mathematical models as a foundation, while the other group then thinks of a way to prove that theory in practice. Whether the relationship is 50/50, 60/40, 70/30 etc. is open to interpretation, but there is a need from Tatsuya's side for Ushiyama. He can't realise his plans without Ushiyama and that's all it counts.

Except Tatsuya made a flying device without help, out of what I think are standard parts. (The T-7 models that they apparently keep in stock.)

Sure, it'll take Ushiyama and his team to make it mass-produced product for the general consumer market, but the point is, Tatsuya made the important bit alone.

Originally Posted by Mentar

In my experience, if people decide to hate on a character, it is the complete exception if even the best, reasonable explanations would move them. They will rather diss on him regardless.



Please. The people who try to push him to the ultimate extremes are generally his haters, not his fans. Tatsuya has several areas where he is exceptionally capable (genius-level, since you seem to insist on this description), several others where he is less than capable (dealing with other people),

He's more than adequate. He's got plenty of friends, and what enemies he has are largely not his fault. He's good at reading people and at pushing their buttons. What more do you want?

and some areas which are literally missing (emotions).

Are we supposed to grade people on how good they are at feeling emotions?

So what? Why is this something that he or anyone else liking this LN would have to defend?



The point I was trying to make: The detractors are getting tedious in their repetitiveness. If someone has a problem with a seemingly OP character, it's fine to say so. Once, twice, maybe even three times. After 9 repetitions, it's getting tiresome, but it's evident that at least some people seem perfectly capable to write about it till episode 26. It's as insightful and productive as complaining in each episode that Ippo is so durable or Sousuke is so militaristic. In other words: Not at all. This is what defines these characters, this is what they are. So I'd say: Accept it, live with it and go from there or don't accept it and drop it.

Except here, a "fan" seized on an unimportant detail to raise an inadequate defense against an attack that never came. Like saying Bruce Wayne is somehow less awesome for having Alfred.