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2014-05-23, 03:28 | Link #102 | |
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As for the 1st I'm fast reader too but I usually read it few times so I can understand it completely oh well nvm it >_> coz you hate op mc and novel itself <_< This will my final post here unless we change the topic that's all because its hard argue with you no offense because you don't have open mind to read and understand the ln itself and characters cya :3
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2014-05-23, 03:40 | Link #103 | ||
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And I completely disagree with this one. There haven’t been all that many team fights, but in the ones we have been shown, everyone’s skills were put to use. And yes, that includes Tatsuya’s skills, but then the meaning of “team fighting” is for the entire team to contribute. Could you give an example of what you are talking about? Because Blanche? Not team fighting since the groups split up. Monolith Code? If anything, Mikihiko was MVP of most of their matches. Yokohama? Tatsuya wasn’t with his friends most of the time. The fight against parasite-infected Mina? Katsuto was contributing just as much and it was the Mizuki/Mikihiko combo that turned the tide. The last fight against the parasites? That was a nice use of Mikihiko’s abilities in order to allow Miyuki to decimate the opponents. Quote:
Agreed on your last point. Besides which, having Tatsuya start out so strong also means that the author has to be creative in the ways he can develop Tatsuya’s powers. He can’t really go up at this point, so he has to develop sideways as it were. Any growth in powers will be outside the conventional system. For example, I found it really fun to watch Tatsuya come up with Far strike since he had to find a different way of using his powers rather than simply increasing the attack power of the skills he already has. It’s interesting how one of the most controversial points of Mahouka is its very strong, even OP main character. It’s not like this is all that rare in literature, legends or heck, even manga/anime. While I understand the appeal of the underdog and how interesting it can be to watch a weak or normal character grow into something stronger and better, I don’t see why this precludes the possibility of having main characters that are strong from the get-go. If nothing else, I find it refreshing to have a series in which a character struggles with something other than “getting stronger” or “having their worth recognised”. Actually, scratch that, I adore the way Tatsuya turns that last one on its head: the series starts with a fairly typical set-up in which the main character is unjustly scorned by those who place themselves above him, then veers wildly off the beaten track when it is revealed that Tatsuya simply doesn’t care. His attitude is kind of glorious. Not that recognition isn’t in play for Tatsuya, but it isn’t the kind of recognition that the system he lives in can give. In Mahouka, magicians are really only recognised for one thing: strength and ability in wielding “conventional” magic. The recognition Tatsuya is working towards is the recognition of magicians’ worth as human beings and the recognition of magic as a force that can contribute more to society than just military clout. Instead of working to be acknowledged by the system and maybe changing it for the better from the inside – as many protagonists, especially, especially in shounen manga/anime/LN, do – he is working to change the system from the outside. In order to do that, in order to even consider doing that, he kind of has to be an extraordinary individual. Would I want every story I read to feature a main character like Tatsuya? No, not really. But by the same token, I don’t want every story I read to follow the pig-farmer-becomes-king formula (and this from someone who loves the Chronicles of Prydain) or the underdog-fights-his-way-to-the-top one. There are other stories out there to tell and Mahouka is one of them. |
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2014-05-23, 03:42 | Link #104 | |
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I hate Miyuki and I don't like Tatsuya. I came here for Maya, Koichi, Yotsuba and the Politics. |
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2014-05-23, 03:47 | Link #105 | |||
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Regarding the 4 you mentioned ... I think they will be put into a quite difficult position ... since they would probably forced to deal with some drastic decisions ... if they would want to keep the current status between each of the Ten Master Clans. I doubt though that they will be capable of experimenting or taking away Tatsuya or Miyuki from the Yotsuba ... since the Yotsuba clan members aren't fools (especially Maya) and they are aware of how much worth the Shiba siblings have and they will do everything they can, to keep them within the clan. Although, personally I doubt that the 10MC will be capable of fully connecting Mahesvara with Shiba Tatsuya .... since the Yotsuba are pretty good in information manipulation as well as a few other shady operations that deal with information control. |
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2014-05-23, 03:49 | Link #106 |
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Mahouka isn't a story you can fast read like that, you need to reread some parts. There are too much details.
I think the biggest problem is that non readers think that Tatsuya is the only OP character and that we are reading the story just for him, like in typical stories with invincible heroes. With he way Tsutomu created the magic system and how his power work.It makes perfect sense that he is that strong. Not like your random gifted protagonist who is among the strongest with little training. |
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Now speaking of mahesvara it will be funny if both mahesvara and mr silver is reveal to be tatsuya All course 1 students/1st high staffs will be shocked by it this include the 8 other school This will break hattori and morisaki spirit in having a rematch
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2014-05-23, 04:00 | Link #108 | |
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Wonderfully put. ^_^ And exactly! That's what's so good about this. Mahouka proves that stories don't just have to be arranged or constructed in a particular way. And that there's more to growth than just getting "stronger". I also like that it used ideas that would otherwise have been a recipe for disaster and turned it into something interesting. Writing an OP character is tough and people are usually advised not to do it--but Mahouka pulled it off and showed that there's nothing wrong with writing a character like Tatsuya and that he can still be genuinely interesting provided that you do it right. And Mahouka did it right by asking the right questions and portraying his powers in the proper perspective. And this was probably done because from the get-go the author knew he was going to have a ridiculously powerful character and he worked on ways to still make him one of the most interesting characters in the series. That takes work and cleverness. He discussed ideas I never thought I'd see in an LN, and made use of references I usually don't see too often see these days (like the heavy references to Hindu mythology, hardly anyone uses Hindu myth for inspiration--most people go with Greek or Norse). And I appreciate that. Because what am I if not a friend to new ideas and methods of execution? Last edited by Lucarion; 2014-05-23 at 04:18. |
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2014-05-23, 04:09 | Link #110 | |
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2) Yes, assuming they know he exists. They would be incredibly stupid not to. But how many people among the 10MC and in the Japanese government actually believe in "Mahesvara"? I know that volume 13 brought home to the Kudou & associated clans that he really does exist, but is that knowledge something that the other clans will have access to? The spoilers for vol.13 weren't very clear on how many people actually got to witness his fight against the Parasite Dolls. 3) Er, how would they even be able to take Tatsuya and Miyuki away for experimentation? Neither of them is exactly weak or particularly likely to fall into a trap. And if they somehow did succeed, the Yotsuba would probably wipe out the clan responsable (This is assuming that they don't also know that Miyuki and Tatsuya are connected to the Yotsuba - because if they attempted to kidnap them knowing that, it could only mean they have a death wish.) I'm actually not sure that just knowing that Tatsuya is Mahesvara would have all that much of an effect on how Mayumi and Katsuto view Tatsuya. They already respect him and know that he is powerful, they know he can be dangerous, and Mayumi at least knows he is in the army. I imagine that fear and dread, maybe horror at the number of people he has killed, would be among their first reactions to the revelation, but ultimately, unless he goes on a rampage in front of them, I don't see it fundamentally changing their relationship with him. As for Kouichi, we don't really know enough about him or about his plans to be able to say. And this is why we needs more Kouichi. Now if people find out that he is Mahesvara and connected to the Yotsuba... Yeah, that would have an effect. Last edited by renuac; 2014-05-23 at 04:38. |
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2014-05-23, 04:23 | Link #111 | ||
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Masaki was one shotting machine and humans with Rupture until they used illusions. Then he melt his attackers. Miyuki was fighting with Leo, Mikihiko, Erika as well. Hanzo, Sawaki, Kanon, Kirihara etc. They fought in Yokohama too. Quote:
Those 3 are way, way,way stronger than Hanzo. Those 3 and Miyuki would stomp him in a fight, just like Tatsuya. Genes are the main source of talent in Mahouka, Hanzo is talented but compared to the talent of the master clans, he is nothing. You will see the difference between them and the normal magicians in the next animated arc. The first arc is the worst of all. Blanche is a bunch of weaklings, did you listen to Masaki's comments after the credit? |
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2014-05-23, 04:36 | Link #113 | ||
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Also, the fact that the student-created Bloom/Weed distinction doesn't really mean all that much in the grand scheme of things is one of the main points of the first arc. so I'm not sure why you want to drag it into this. But okay, assuming you're talking about the "Blooms" who are among the main cast and not just "Blooms" in general, there was a great Mari-Mayumi tag team during the Yokohama arc that pretty much left Tatsuya in the dust since he wasn't expecting them to jump into that fight so quickly and so enthusiastically. Suzune can paralyse people. Mari and Mayumi are also the ones to eventually take down Lu Gonghu. Katsuto mops up Blanche underlings, decimates the opposition during Monolith Code and leads troops during the Yokohama incident. Tomitsuka apparently saves (female) classmates on a regular basis. Honoka was providing vital support despite not being trained for combat. And since the Yokohama arc was such a great arc for showcasing everyone fighting (have you read it? You will probably enjoy vol.7 if you havent), while not technically a "Bloom" since he isn't from First High, Masaki is such a force on the battlefield that he doesn't need a team. He leaves his team retching in his wake. And do you really need examples of Miyuki taking down enemies? Edit: Beaten to the punch by Echizen777 Last edited by renuac; 2014-05-23 at 08:47. |
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Well, if you speed read and focus only on Tatsuya you won't appreciate it fully. That's not only about Tatsuya. Japan is a OP magician country and members of the master clans can do almost everything without impunity. If you come with guys trying to beat them relying only on weapons and a petty MI trick they would destroy you. And they were taking all it easy, Kirihara should be grateful Katsuto let him have the spotlight .
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2014-05-23, 05:14 | Link #118 | |
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^Zhou is a bastard without attachments. He is more manipulative than Tatsuya.
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2014-05-23, 05:18 | Link #119 | |
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I want to ask can tatsuya beat zhou in a fight, do you think zhou is a bs magician Do you think tatsuya finally discover who master behind the all the unfortunate event/scene happen to mahouka "refering to the dahan survivor and zhou"
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2014-05-23, 08:19 | Link #120 | |
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I'd rather see a character that is different from other LN MC's that he knows what he is doing,already powerful,great tactician,will kill you if you try to harm his sister,without all the morality crap and long winding speeches. It seems you are disliking him from the 7 eps of the anime and from browsing the translated LN's,so it seems you are missing many things and it is obvious from your arguments. Back on topic,when do you think we will see the Tatsuya faction fight again???I loved the Yokohama arc because almost all the characters wasn't useless in the battle. |
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