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dniv · 2014-07-30, 09:03

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Originally Posted by GreyZone

Wasn't the tower visible in Railgun S though? (It aired after the movie after all...)

It was, but it was made after the movie.

The tower was visible in railgun s like at least 5 times I think, and it definitely appeared in episode 24 lol.

But I think people are calling it a retcon (if I have this right) because Kamachi only thought of the idea of including Endymion after he started the story and hadn't mentioned it until then... and because apparently it wasn't a main plot point at the beginning, it is necessarily a retcon because it is only important after it is explained part-way through the story?

Though... funnily enough, now that you say it... Railgun S episode 5 occurs chronologically before most of Index 1 & 2, which would make the retcon less glaring... but Endymion still never really appeared in the Index anime except for the movie.

To be fair, I don't really see why it even matters at all, unless it makes people uncomfortable because they might feel like Kamachi might screw a plan he has already had up if invites a new plot device and treats it as canon.

I personally don't think this would happen, but I guess it's a possibility to be worried about?

My real question here though is why it's merely a side-story after having like a movie, multiple references in Railgun S, canon-acknowledgements in the main light novel series (twice! in two different books), multiple games created to add to it, and a light novel prequel to the movie...

I mean, I guess that if you thought that all of this effort was JUST to make this an acceptable retcon then this would probably be annoying, but wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that this is supposed to have some important significance on the story later on?

I mean... Otherwise, why would Kamachi go to so much trouble to do this anyway? That's the only thing I could really think about that actually makes sense here. After all, there are other things that he has retconned (perhaps), but hasn't put nearly as much of a deal into making it work... (deep blood in the Index manga?)

So, I'm wondering if indeed this is more important than people assume it is...? I haven't seen Kamachi call anything that he came up with non-canon or even really semi-canon yet... especially when he writes the plot for it himself...

LevelSeven · 2014-07-30, 10:37

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Originally Posted by dniv

Lol, I said I think both theories are true at once. I just meant that your theory might not explain everything by itself. Also, check the speculation thread for more dragons (14'ish) to see what I mean...

you mean the:
"first dragon than IT than dragon than IT" part?

Chosen_Hero · 2014-07-30, 14:05

Endymion doesn't bother me, just like Saten said it was just off-screen and that's why we never saw it.

Ravagerblade · 2014-08-06, 19:53

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Originally Posted by OH&S

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There was also a short 4-koma in Railgun that addressed that specific issue. We're way past that now. But yeah Railgun itself is a retcon.

Ironically, when Saten called out Endymion as a retcon, she doesn't realize that she too is a retcon character.

She did show up in an illustration though in the OT Volumes; Hamazura and ITEM colored one. Just saying.

Hiss13 · 2014-08-07, 00:17

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Originally Posted by Ravagerblade

She did show up in an illustration though in the OT Volumes; Hamazura and ITEM colored one. Just saying.

You do understand what Retcon means, right?

LG-MAX 2.o · 2014-08-13, 16:56

vol 10 sold over 44,259 copies, and now totals 261.716 copies sold.

dniv · 2014-08-13, 21:30

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Originally Posted by LG-MAX 2.o

vol 10 sold over 44,259 copies, and now totals 261.716 copies sold.

wow it makes sense though since it'd be so popular... has the new version been updated yet online?

ACertainStark · 2014-08-24, 22:52

https://twitter.com/gouranga_/status...37505651859456

Dolly is not Misaka 00000 (Full-Tuning).

chaosprophet · 2014-08-25, 04:16

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Originally Posted by ACertainStark

https://twitter.com/gouranga_/status...37505651859456

Dolly is not Misaka 00000 (Full-Tuning).

Does he means the original Dolly? Or the other sister that were given Dolly memories that Misaki saved?

OH&S · 2014-08-25, 04:36

The Japanese specifically states that Dolly's sister (the one that Misaki and Mitori rescue) isn't Full Tuning.

entei08 · 2014-08-25, 06:57

Bad news, no railgun this month, see 2ch

48 ：イラストに骗された名无しさん＠＼(^o^)／：2014/08/25(月) 19:34:48.13 ID:zub5KEKN.net
10巻が良かったから十分休んでいいよ

49 ：イラストに骗された名无しさん＠＼(^o^)／：2014/08/25(月) 19:37:52.28 ID:v7GAsbB6.net
21世纪の漫画界には「冨樫病」なる不治の病が蔓延しているそうな

The Yoshihiro disease is spreading

OH&S · 2014-08-25, 08:33

He refers to it as the Togashi Disease.

Glad to hear that Togashi's infamy is well known even among the mangaka of Japan.

But as the new arc hasn't started yet, the reveals in V10 still feel fresh and we've waited 3 months anyway, I'm not complaining for now.

Actually catch the Togashi Disease and then we'll have a problem.

chaosprophet · 2014-08-25, 10:16

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Originally Posted by OH&S

The Japanese specifically states that Dolly's sister (the one that Misaki and Mitori rescue) isn't Full Tuning.

Ah, somehow I read the Dolly and skipped the imouto. Thanks.

ACertainStark · 2014-08-25, 10:43

That keeps the Full Tuning a mystery. I'm guessing she is going to be introduced in Index instead.

entei08 · 2014-08-25, 11:33

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Originally Posted by ACertainStark

That keeps the Full Tuning a mystery. I'm guessing she is going to be introduced in Index instead.

Even though I think doing that in NT 11 seems logical, the timeline may not necessarily match up.

ACertainStark · 2014-08-25, 12:33

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Originally Posted by entei08

Even though I think doing that in NT 11 seems logical, the timeline may not necessarily match up.

You mean how if it's set in the past, right? I agree. Maybe in the volume after since I do think there's more to it than just exploring that side of the story.

entei08 · 2014-08-26, 00:57

It appears Fuyukawa got sick, according to the editor's twitter.

Marcus H. · 2014-08-26, 06:09

That explains the delay. No sweat though, since we're on to a new original arc.

dazo · 2014-08-26, 12:43

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Originally Posted by entei08

Even though I think doing that in NT 11 seems logical, the timeline may not necessarily match up.

not necessary, the dolly or "the full tuning", are sub-plot, so they can be explained in the novels without problem.

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

That explains the delay. No sweat though, since we're on to a new original arc.

this

jrdragon2006 · 2014-08-26, 19:04

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Originally Posted by entei08

It appears Fuyukawa got sick, according to the editor's twitter.

Can i have the link to his twitter?

2014-07-30, 14:05	Link #103
Chosen_Hero Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014	Endymion doesn't bother me, just like Saten said it was just off-screen and that's why we never saw it. __________________

2014-08-25, 04:36	Link #110
OH&S Index III was a mistake Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 32	The Japanese specifically states that Dolly's sister (the one that Misaki and Mitori rescue) isn't Full Tuning. __________________

2014-08-25, 08:33	Link #112
OH&S Index III was a mistake Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 32	He refers to it as the Togashi Disease. Glad to hear that Togashi's infamy is well known even among the mangaka of Japan. But as the new arc hasn't started yet, the reveals in V10 still feel fresh and we've waited 3 months anyway, I'm not complaining for now. Actually catch the Togashi Disease and then we'll have a problem. __________________

2014-08-26, 06:09	Link #118
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	That explains the delay. No sweat though, since we're on to a new original arc. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2014-08-13, 16:56	Link #106
LG-MAX 2.o Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	vol 10 sold over 44,259 copies, and now totals 261.716 copies sold.

2014-08-24, 22:52	Link #108
ACertainStark お姉さん☆ Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Toronto, ON Age: 31	https://twitter.com/gouranga_/status...37505651859456 Dolly is not Misaka 00000 (Full-Tuning).

2014-08-25, 06:57	Link #111
entei08 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Perth, Australia	Bad news, no railgun this month, see 2ch 48 ：イラストに骗された名无しさん＠＼(^o^)／：2014/08/25(月) 19:34:48.13 ID:zub5KEKN.net 10巻が良かったから十分休んでいいよ 49 ：イラストに骗された名无しさん＠＼(^o^)／：2014/08/25(月) 19:37:52.28 ID:v7GAsbB6.net 21世纪の漫画界には「冨樫病」なる不治の病が蔓延しているそうな The Yoshihiro disease is spreading

2014-08-25, 10:43	Link #114
ACertainStark お姉さん☆ Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Toronto, ON Age: 31	That keeps the Full Tuning a mystery. I'm guessing she is going to be introduced in Index instead.

2014-08-26, 00:57	Link #117
entei08 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Perth, Australia	It appears Fuyukawa got sick, according to the editor's twitter.