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View Poll Results: Mahouka - Episode 18 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 7 | 12.73% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 19 | 34.55% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 25.45% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 18.18% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 3.64% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.82% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 3.64% | |
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2014-08-03, 00:04 | Link #101 | |
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I've seen so many anime only watchers comment about Tatsuya and the Yotsuba. Most for some reason seem to think that Tatsuya's biggest secret is that he is tarous silver and that will be the big reveal. No one knows that Tatsuya and Miyuki are Yotsuba. It's their biggest secret and they are forbidden from revealing it for several reasons. The Yotsuba are a very secretive clan, the only publically known member of the entire clan that the Yotsuba acknowledge as one of their own is the clan head herself, Yotsuba Maya. The Yotsuba have the smallest number of members out of the master clans but their members are the most powerful/elite like Tasuya and Miyuki. The Yotsuba also don't want attention drawn to Tatsuya and Miyuki because Tatsuya as mentioned in this episode is a strategic class military asset and the other clans learning of this would try to weaken them even further and take action. For all the people asking "Why did the Yotsuba not stop the idea of Tatsuya marrying into the master clans at the conference?", the answer is kind of obvious. Openingly rejecting the idea would make a Yotsuba/Tatsuya connection fairly obvious and there's no risk of Tatsuya actually accepting it. He knows the Yotsuba wont allow him to accept it and guarding Miuyki is the only thing he cares about. The Yotsuba know Tatsuya will refuse so there's no need to stand out by rejecting the idea formally at the clan conference. |
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2014-08-03, 00:37 | Link #102 | |
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You gotta get funding somewhere to promote your ideals and follow through. They probably bet some big bucks in, and no one likes it when you waste a lot of money on nothing. Just watch the news. Where do you think all these terror organizations are alive in the world. Gotta get bankrolled somehow. |
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2014-08-03, 00:52 | Link #103 | |
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The money they hoped to make by forcing First High to lose was purely to line their own pockets. |
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2014-08-03, 00:57 | Link #104 | |
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Revealed at the end of the first arc, the ani-magican fraction, the east Asian alliancem no head dragon...lots of strings. What makes mahouka, mahouka is it's deep world building and realistically imitation of the real world. |
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2014-08-03, 01:42 | Link #106 | |||||
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The Patriot Act still needed to be enacted by Congress. The US government is not legislature, executive and judiciary by itself.
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2014-08-03, 02:22 | Link #107 |
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Murder is (currently) generally considered to be "the unlawful killing of a human by another human with malice aforethought (i.e., intent to kill, seriously injure, or with wanton disregard, etc.)". Since there's no question that Tatsuya killed human beings with the deliberate intent to do so, the only real issue is whether the killings were "unlawful" in the Mahouka universe. Unfortunately, we don't really have any details about the Mahouka laws or legal system.
But even assuming the Mahouka laws are similar to what we have now (at least in the US and Europe), a common exception to murder is the killing of enemy combatants by lawful combatants in accordance with lawful orders in war, so I suppose an argument can be made that Tatsuya's killing of the No-Head Dragon members falls under this exception. However, it again all depends on what constitutes as "lawful" -- i.e., does a spec ops military unit have the authority to order execution of possible threats to national security, etc. The lack of an official ceasefire may give the military greater discretion for determining who can be considered an "enemy combatant". In the end, the issue is academic, because even if Tatsuya's killings were unlawful in the official sense, there's no chance he'd be prosecuted. |
2014-08-03, 02:54 | Link #108 |
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Why are we using US logic to apply on a fantasy story?
Anyway, NHD branch is already considered a threat to national security and had planned terrorism on innocents. They are already law breakers and no amount of justification/knighting will change the facts.
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2014-08-03, 03:02 | Link #109 | |||
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Careful people, please remember not to refer to the LN here...
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But that was not my point, which was made in response to a comment you made about 'murder': Quote:
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2014-08-03, 03:31 | Link #110 | ||
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But as I said, they aren't combattants. They neither are part of the armed forces (from what we've seen), nor are they acting as agents for a government. For all intents and purposes, they are civilians. And yes, even crime syndicate members are technically civilians. Quote:
Somebody breaking the law doesn't give anybody the justification to break the law themselves in order to deal with them. But enough of that.
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2014-08-03, 04:54 | Link #111 |
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2014-08-03, 05:35 | Link #112 | |
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Now that I've looked back over it even more carefully, GDB never actually claimed that murder was against the law, not even in that second bolded part, which you quoted last time. His point has always been that "it doesn't matter if it's against the law or not, as they wouldn't be able to convict him." You were the one who misunderstood him first. On the other hand, cyberdemon's "But how can you determine it was murder if there is no evidence and no bodies?" looks like it means what you argue GDB said. However, based on his/her previous post, I think he/she was also trying to argue that "it doesn't matter because no one can actually determine that a murder took place." The confusion probably resulted because they were on the same page, whereas you were on a different one. And my own point was a separate issue, i.e. that one of the problems with your arguments was that you were conflating "murder" and "what the law says about murder." If you think that doesn't matter, so be it. ====== Just realised one almost saving grace of the dance scenes...the last one showed students from different schools dancing with each other - a nice change from the quasi-enmity that marked the competition itself... But it still wasn't the best ending to the arc. Hoping the Yokohama arc is better ^^
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2014-08-03, 05:54 | Link #114 | ||
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Perhaps that's where the point Kazuma made to Kudou comes in. Quote:
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2014-08-03, 06:16 | Link #115 | |
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2014-08-03, 06:24 | Link #117 | |
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First, GDB's point was not made directly in response to your point that 'Tatsuya's actions were unethical/unnecessarily extreme.' Rather, it was made in response to a comment by moridin84. Second, the reason you gave for your refutation does not actually refute GDB's point that "it doesn't matter in the context of the show," which can be said to be somewhat similar to a response made by another poster in that both points seem to be valid responses to the opinion that 'Tatsuya's actions are unethical/unnecessarily extreme', even though they don't refute such a claim. I am tired of this too: you were talking past each other, and as far as I can see, you are still the one that misunderstood him first.
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2014-08-03, 06:39 | Link #118 | ||
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But oh well, we are getting severely off the road for this topic.
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2014-08-03, 06:42 | Link #119 | |
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This discussion is beginning to go around in circles.
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Those that order the actions are just as, if not more responsible that the ones pulling the trigger. What did the No Head Dragon members do? Ordered the attempted suicide "bombing" of the bus. Plotted accidents in the Nine Schools Competition, which could have lead to a number of injuries or death. Last but not least, they blatantly ordered one of their men to massacre hundreds of innocent civilian spectators (luckily stopped by Japan's special forces). As for Tatsuya eliminating them even after they no longer had the will to fight, there are a few reasons.
Now, if you are concerned about the lawfulness of all this, it doesn't matter in the Mahouka world. Regardless of what the law in Mahouka would be, there are 2 facts that make any law meaningless. 1) He was ordered by his commander, with the backing of the military, for the mission. 2) He is protected by the Yotsuba family. What do we know about the Mahouka world? That the 10 Master Clans essentially control everything, meaning they control the politics and the laws. The military is the other organization of power, since they are technically still warring with other nations. Tatsuya is covered. As for what you say is murder, let me leave you with the definition here: Murder = The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
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