2020-03-08, 18:11 | Link #1083 | |
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We have no idea what Valerie’s doing. She can’t use her Holy Grail beyond healing, and even that is inferior to Asia’s ordinary SG, so the Longinus is just wasted on her. She got Incinerate Anthem during Trihexa’s rampage and did nothing with it. We’ve never even seen her basic vampire abilities. She was nominally a member of Rias’ team, but she doesn’t even get lines during their matches with Vali and Issei. You can’t tell me that Ishibumi cares about this character. |
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2020-03-08, 18:13 | Link #1084 |
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Ingvild is a slow burn type of character. She's there for the long term outlook. I think Ishi even said something to the effect of while she was introduced in the first volume of Shin, her dedicated volume would be one of the last.
It feels like you people would have tore apart girls like Rossweisse if you were around back when she was first introduced. Always wanting immediate gratification. DxD has always been an exercise in long-term storytelling. |
2020-03-08, 18:19 | Link #1085 | |
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If you are not a pro-active character with so many characters, you end up being overshadowed by history and more when old characters remain the same or more active (look at rias or xenovia) leaving less space to grow. |
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2020-03-08, 18:37 | Link #1086 | |
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She can become the strongest girl in the harem only learning to use her power maou class. Without count the ability of leviathan and Longinus. A lot of character that were costantanely present or/and active have received a volume after a lot of time (Rossweisse, Irina, Xenovia,Asia). Watch Asia that could only be protect and to heal for all the story and was not so relevant for the fights, only after vol20 she received the BxB. The difference with all the others characters in the harem is that Ingvild is the queen of issei, user of a Longinus of high class and descendant of Leviathan. She is not Roygun, Yasaka, elmenheilde, le fay or kunou that for their position or role are not relevant. Only her bloodline gives to her an important position. It has been nominated even by Zekram in the list of young devils to not ignore. If she would not so important, ishibumi would not mention her, or describes her as incredible and monstrous in shin 2/3, ishibumi could easily introduce a boring character without nothing of special to be forget |
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2020-03-08, 18:51 | Link #1089 | |
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I do not consider his attack on the new demons created by hades to be valid, because in shin 1 it was made clear that the great majority until they have a great power are completely newbies who did not even know how to make a shield and that therefore even a middle class demon I could defeat them as express kiba. Although these Devils had talent, they didn’t have enough knowledge and experience to fully utilise it, focusing only on their Demonic power. I could only see some who were able to use it defensively. If this was the case…handling them would be easier than Middle-class Devils. If this were one-on-one, a bunch of experienced MIddle-class Devils and Angels would be enough to deal with them. We wouldn’t have any problems as long as we could dodge their simple, but powerful Demonic power attacks. We could also get on the offensive as soon as we saw an opening as they didn’t really have any means to defend themselves. So to finish, I hope that Ingvild will be given more space to grow and thus meet the expectations of his position as a talent. @malbolge, if we use as an example the longest arch of dxd so far, there would be 7 or 8 volumes ... as for shin dxd 12 we could see the end of the history of issei. this using the length of the arcs before this one of mediation. |
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What do you want that she does? Defeat a god? You are superficial. She is only a rookie that only in shin 2 someone teached to her use her demoniac power and watch Quote:
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You donÂ’t consider not valid defeats all those demon because they are rookie? Ingvild what is it? She is a rookie too and could defeat several of them easily. How is not useful? She increased the power of issei making him able to defeat Nyx, a goddess, then, she supported issei and vali increasing their power to defeat HADES in the most important and dangerous mission of ever. Even at the beginning, when they were against 25,000 demons, she was helping even if she is a rookie. This is more incredible than everyone other characters at the beginning. In the beginning of the history Kiba and Koneko has fought only with some exorcist human of Low level that were even shit worse and Freed. Except Riser and Yubellana, all the peerage of Riser in the RG was fodder. Now, confront her achievements and actions with the others at the beginning, because she is a rookie as issei in the first volume, but her actions are more incredible and is a lot of more powerful. Not with that of the others now. |
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2020-03-08, 19:21 | Link #1091 | |
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But this arc officially started with volume 22 of DxD… So, by your "logic" we are already at 8 volumes for this arc, and the end should be imminent, when it is obviously not the case. So, in other words, you don't know. So stop trying to pretend time is any sort of issue. |
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2020-03-08, 19:30 | Link #1092 | |
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but I did not refer to his potential or exploits, I mean the panorama of his character ... to all the concepts that make the character Ingvild and I find his character as Asia at the beginning, a non-active personality that has worked in These 4 volumes as a support character, that was my initial question. I don't know where else you got it from my words, if you think comparing it with Asia from the beginning is calling it useless then you are wrong ... Asia was always useful, for example she gave him the crucifix and holy water that helped Issei to defeat Raiser. @malebolge You take out my context words, I want Ingvild to give him more scenes as they did with the initial harem girls at the beginning ... also because I feel that Ravel does the role of Queen better than Ingvild that only has power. Last edited by godz; 2020-03-08 at 19:49. |
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2020-03-08, 19:48 | Link #1093 | |
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Even if she is a support, is not even comparable with others. Asia gived to issei those thing to help him to defeat Riser, While Ingvild fought against a lot of devils and help him to defeat gods. Big difference. About the queen position, she is the last arrived in the peerage, is not much active and has a lot of things to learn. Why should control and lead the team now? We have to give her time to learn. With calm. While Ravel is issei’s manager since the volume 11 and has a lot of experience, considering that she control more the harem than Rias that should be her duty |
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2020-03-08, 20:12 | Link #1094 | |
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but I will say the same as I said before, I want to see more Ingvild scenes to see firsthand its development as the most "important" piece of issei's nobility ... it has the talent and potential. |
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2020-03-08, 20:16 | Link #1095 | |
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2020-03-08, 21:04 | Link #1097 | |
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I would personally like to see Diehsuer be defeated by Ravel or Roygun's strategy,since diehsuer has a firepower lower than issei. @Giuseppe1234 I completely agree with your Ravel analysis. |
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2020-03-08, 22:22 | Link #1098 | |
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2020-03-09, 00:50 | Link #1099 |
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Kinda interested in how all of you think they’ll outwit diehauser?
My guess, 2 part strategy. Part 1: numbers. Rias will join her team into Issei’s. This gives them a numbers advantage that will make it harder for Diehauser to plan a battle beforehand. They start rumors that Rias will takeover the role of queen for the battle. Part 2: Ingvild. She will be the ACTUAL queen for the battle. Rias was meant to take his attention off of her. Too little is known about her to the public. Thus it is harder to plan a strategy against her. So even if he realizes part 1, he will have very little to use. Her song might be known due to her part in the defeat of hades. But he wouldn’t know range or potential pai pod usage. He Magic is also growing too fast to know what it will be like by the time of the battle. So the main strategy is uncertainty.
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2020-03-09, 03:11 | Link #1100 | |
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Issei at the most will have 11 team members. Including hinself that will make 12 of them. And I doubt Rias or any of her peerage or team members would join Issei's team. That just seems way too simplistic. You're talking about a man who has NEVER lost a Rating Game and has defeated very experienced Rating Game players and in the Azazel Cup has defeated god teams. He has likely dealt with every tactic or strategy someone could come up with. Even someone like Rudiger couldn't defeat him. |
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