Higurashi - Game Discussion (spoilers lurk here)

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

What could possibly make you say that? The "it's just anime" excuse doesn't make sexualization of an abused child less controversial than fanservice of an older character.

the "fan service" here is level 1 at best. Sexualization of female characters go way higher than that, this is literally nothing. And yes, it's just a drawing. go check some real pedopornography if you think that's offensive, already randomly saw some on the internet one or two times and it's creepy af.

Originally Posted by xPearse

I don't understand why your always against this, care to explain why because I'd really like to know.

Excuse me ?

Originally Posted by xPearse

Kizuna too mature without attractiveness

I really like the vanilla face, easily one of the best sprites of it, but come on, the Kizuna one is great.

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by xPearse

Anyway, Matsuri Akane is too baby face, Kizuna too mature without attractiveness, while the original is the best. It combines both age and beauty which is something the ports failed to portray. There you go.

I prefer the original sprite as well, but the Kizuna sprite is in no way bad, at least to me. I don't think the Kizuna sprite makes her unattractive.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

I don't think you understand that it's not so much the level of explicitness so much as the principle behind it. They have no moral qualms against sexualizing an abused child character and it's offensive because it's disrespectful to the character and the story.

Most people don't see it like that. Neither I do. The nudity here feels as much "fan service" as the fact that ShMion has got big breasts, it's f-u-c-k-i-n-g n-o-t-h-i-n-g. I can't even really call that fan service, just using your words.

Originally Posted by FXtreme

I also don't think it's a good idea to tell me to check out real child pornography. Someone could take that the wrong way.

If someone manages to misinterpret this much my sentence, then he has got a serious problem.

[Levani]

I have a question, if everyone hates fanservice, why do we call it "fanservice" xD Makes no sense.

[Levani]

Very clever. The TV tropes site labels the naked sprite as "fan disservice," interestingly enough, and I agree 100%.

Fan disservice is a far better word for the meaning nearly all of us use "fanservice" for xDD Word plays, yay.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

I thought they did have big breasts for fanservice reasons!

I'm done.

[Daisu]

fan disservice = episode 1 of Kira

[Levani]

Originally Posted by Daisu

fan disservice = episode 1 of Kira

^ Truth.

Though Kira was worth it for the 4th episode.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by Levani

^ Truth.

Though Kira was worth it for the 4th episode.

This one was terribly disappointing.

[Mr. Dent]

Originally Posted by TheGuraGuraMan

This one was terribly disappointing.

Really? The fourth episode was my favorite, but, then again, I went in not expecting much.

[Daisu]

Has there been any release of a general script of Tokihogushi-hen or Kotohogushi-hen? I only recall brief summaries. Sorry for asking for this information again, I am pretty sure someone asked earlier.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

Didn't you see the smile indicating that it was just a jest?

Yes, it's just that you clearly didn't understand what I was trying to say here.

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

Someone just told me that the towel sprite contradiction doesn't exist in the French version. Can anyone explain why?

it doesn't in the english either. It was a misinterpretation of some "fans" to begin with.

[GrAVit]

So how many volumes and chapters did Kataribanashi-hen have in the Japanese version? Basically, how many are left untranslated?

[TheGuraGuraMan]

Wait, so you're even the one where this thing comes from ?

I'm 100% sure it isn't said the towel was wrapped around Satoko, or at least after Keiichi stopped holding her in the french version, pretty sure the english one wasn't really different. But anyway, we already talked about that before.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

Then, please show me the misinterpretation.

In MangaGamer's forum, someone showed me a video of the PS2 patch of the scenes ranging from before the bathroom scene to the end of the bridge scene. I pointed out that, after the line which says the towel slips down, Satoko says, "The towel hurts," and then Keichii says, "You're just going to have to endure it." This implies that Keichii didn't let Satoko leave the bathroom without having the towel on. Later, Keichii sets her down, Satoko says something along the lines of "What a gentleman. You're just going to leave a lady alone in a towel?" (Note that this line is present in all versions of the scene.)

Did I misinterpret something here?

Wearing a towel doesn't imply anything about if it is being worn in a way that it won't be able to get loose or that it is fitting well from the beginning. From how I read it, I would say there is enough room for interpretation that the text doesn't conflict with the sprite.

[Levani]

I just want the project to be released in peace, with or without Satoko.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by FXtreme

It would still make for a better argument if it actually said so. If it was so loose that it could have fallen so easily, why didn't it when she climbed onto his back? If neither of them were holding on to it, how did it not fall on the ground then? And is Keichii stupid enough to take her out almost in public uncovered? I don't think she was uncovered while she was on his back. If it comes loose and falls off when he sets her down, that's a rather significant detail to leave out.

Maybe, from a certain interpretation, it makes some sense, but the way I see it, it doesn't seem right.

Isn't that the point? There is too much interpretationroom in that scene that it depends on the reader if there is a contradiction or not. In that case it means the evidence isn't conclusive enough to be able to use the "possible contradiction" as an argument for the need to change Satoko's towel sprite.


EDIT: It seems Doddler/MangaGamer has comment again on the issue.

Originally Posted by Doddler aks.fm

Hey, tumblr side is getting crazy again, they are talking about how they are contact Steam about the Satoko sprite. Is there anyway these fucking morons can destroy this new project? I'm starting to get really worried. Just give her a full towel and let those fucks shut up. I don't want this project
I'm not really worried. I mean I can sympathize with the fact that he's uncomfortable that Satoko appears partially unclothed, but we're not going to change the game because someone is uncomfortable with it. I don't even agree with the assertion that there's an issue with the sprite itself. It's important to note that she does not appear nude, she has a towel, and the issue that's being brought up is that the towel doesn't cover enough. The game is for a mature audience, there is no actual nudity anywhere in the game, and the scene in question is not even sexual in nature. I don't anticipate any real issue with it, because there's not a lot of ground to stand on.
Now I will concede that one of the aggravating factors in this, the ask.fm answer on the official Mangagamer account, was probably out of place. The response stating that people "Looking to see Satoko naked can play the original game on mangagamer.com" was probably a bit of an inappropriate way to handle the question. The important thing to understand with that answer though is that censorship is a huge issue to a lot of our fans, and the purpose was to let people now that the unmodified version will continue to be available.
So here's the final word on the issue:
The steam version will have Satoko with the towel as it was shown earlier without modifications. There are no plans to change this, period. If you are bothered by the fact that we will not change the towel sprite, then I'm sorry that we are disappointing you. If you are enterprising enough, while we cannot support doing so, you're free to modify the game resources in your own copy of the game in whatever way you fell appropriate.
Where Satoko appeared fully naked in the original version, she will appear with a towel in the steam version (though the text will remain unchanged). It's important to point out that there was no nude Satoko sprite commissioned in the updated art style. If you are bothered by this, the original version will remain available with the original sprites by 7th Expansion from the mangagamer website, with the new translation and drm free.

Source: http://ask.fm/The_Doddler/answer/118849959409

[Levani]

Well, there we have it, I guess.

[GrAVit]

Well, hopefully people will calm down now. Too bad for the one's that were against the new sprite, I guess, but it's Mangagamer's decision.