Coronavirus 2020-22

[AnimeFan188]

Coronavirus vaccine espionage:


Race for Coronavirus Vaccine Pits Spy Against Spy:

"The intelligence wars over vaccine research have intensified as China and Russia
expand their efforts to steal American work at both research institutes and
companies.

Chinese intelligence hackers were intent on stealing coronavirus vaccine data, so they
looked for what they believed would be an easy target. Instead of simply going after
pharmaceutical companies, they conducted digital reconnaissance on the University of
North Carolina and other schools doing cutting-edge research.

They were not the only spies at work. Russia’s premier intelligence service, the S.V.R.,
targeted vaccine research networks in the United States, Canada and Britain,
espionage efforts that were first detected by a British spy agency monitoring
international fiber optic cables.

Iran, too, has drastically stepped up its attempts to steal information about vaccine
research, and the United States has increased its own efforts to track the espionage
of its adversaries and shore up its defenses.

In short, every major spy service around the globe is trying to find out what everyone
else is up to.

The coronavirus pandemic has prompted one of the fastest peacetime mission shifts
in recent times for the world’s intelligence agencies, pitting them against one another
in a new grand game of spy versus spy, according to interviews with current and
former intelligence officials and others tracking the espionage efforts.

Nearly all of the United States’ adversaries intensified their attempts to steal
American research while Washington, in turn, has moved to protect the universities
and corporations doing the most advanced work. NATO intelligence, normally
concerned with the movement of Russian tanks and terrorist cells, has expanded to
scrutinize Kremlin efforts to steal vaccine research as well, according to a Western
official briefed on the intelligence."

See:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/05/u...espionage.html

[Key Board]

I don't think this should be a national secret.

But I guess this is what happens what pharmacies want to monopolize sales

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[mangamuscle]

From March to august of this year a 59% of excess mortality has been registered in my country. Which makes sense since unlike the USA, testing has been somewhat limited. So in layman terms

122,765 total deaths - 67,326 covid deaths = 55439 extra deaths. That would be about 82% extra deaths up to august. Even if many of those deaths were not directly due to covid19, most likely they were indirectly due to covid19.

Also, seems we are #1 in percentage of medical personal deaths due to covid19, our president even said they should buy protection gear with their own money!

This weekend the weather suddenly became colder in my city and the state government decided to start the reopening of theaters, casinos & social events. Yep, I am not optimist on the least of what the near future holds.

[EroKing]

Oxford University vaccine trial paused after participant falls ill.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

The irony of it all is that if he had closed the borders to travelers from china & europe like he did with third world countries, he would have averted most of the damage

Factcheck: early on Trump restricted travel from both China and Europe and was called a xenophobe for it.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

Factcheck: early on Trump restricted travel from both China and Europe and was called a xenophobe for it.

Hey buddy, you are late on the clock, this should have been posted days ago, I am going to be confiscating your maga hat, the great kahuna is not pleased with your lack of enthusiasm, now chop chop chop.

If by early you mean "more than two months late" yeah, that sentence might make some sense. In layman terms:

24/December/2019
An unresolved clinical case sparks off the first scientific involvement: a bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (BAL) sample was sent from Wuhan Central Hospital to Vision Medicals (广州微远基因科技有限公司) in Guangzhou – a private company specialising in metagenomic massive parallel sequencing analysis.

Here I would say the chinese knew a new virus was spreading, otherwise why go to such lengths.

31/December/2019 The first public message in the pandemic
The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission released a briefing on its website about the pneumonia outbreak in the city.

At this moment in time it was public knowledge something troubling was afoot. The trump administration cannot claim "who would have thought" since not so long ago with had the sars and mers outbreaks, not to mention avian influenza (h5n1), heck no one is mentioning there is also an outbreak that is killing pig farms in china atm. Also, china is a country of interest for the usa and the usa intelligence community no doubt got info prior to the news media talking about this, not to mention the chinese waited until the very last minute to make the public announcement, wanting to shove this under the rug like they usually do.

20/March/2020, the White House Coronavirus Task Force said it was closing the border with Mexico to any nonessential travel.

Now this is when trump was called a xenophobic since he used covid19 as an excuse for closing the border, since the virus was flowing from europe & the usa into latinamerica, not the other way around.

11/March/2020 the United States barred the entry of all foreign nationals who had visited China, Iran and a group of European countries during the previous 14 days.

If he had done this one week after news broke into the news media, history would have been completely different but he was so afraid that the markets would get scared and hurt his chances for reelection. "Leader of the free world" is no longer synonym of potus.
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Now, back the theme at hand:

seems like we have a new more contagious strain, is this 10x10 or just another strain ten times as contagious as the original from wuhan?

some good news

In layman terms, it seems they have "cracked the code", they know how the virus works and there are more cheap medicines that can help. Vitamin D is key to fighting the virus and you should stop your medication for high blood pressure if you are suffering from covid19. Of course this still has to be tested "on the battlefield", but atm I have more optimism for this than for the vaccines they are testing around the world.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Hey buddy, you are late on the clock, this should have been posted days ago, I am going to be confiscating your maga hat, the great kahuna is not pleased with your lack of enthusiasm, now chop chop chop.

If by early you mean "more than two months late" yeah, that sentence might make some sense. In layman terms:

24/December/2019
An unresolved clinical case sparks off the first scientific involvement: a bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (BAL) sample was sent from Wuhan Central Hospital to Vision Medicals (广州微远基因科技有限公司) in Guangzhou – a private company specialising in metagenomic massive parallel sequencing analysis.

Here I would say the chinese knew a new virus was spreading, otherwise why go to such lengths.

31/December/2019 The first public message in the pandemic
The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission released a briefing on its website about the pneumonia outbreak in the city.

At this moment in time it was public knowledge something troubling was afoot. The trump administration cannot claim "who would have thought" since not so long ago with had the sars and mers outbreaks, not to mention avian influenza (h5n1), heck no one is mentioning there is also an outbreak that is killing pig farms in china atm. Also, china is a country of interest for the usa and the usa intelligence community no doubt got info prior to the news media talking about this, not to mention the chinese waited until the very last minute to make the public announcement, wanting to shove this under the rug like they usually do.

20/March/2020, the White House Coronavirus Task Force said it was closing the border with Mexico to any nonessential travel.

Now this is when trump was called a xenophobic since he used covid19 as an excuse for closing the border, since the virus was flowing from europe & the usa into latinamerica, not the other way around.

11/March/2020 the United States barred the entry of all foreign nationals who had visited China, Iran and a group of European countries during the previous 14 days.

If he had done this one week after news broke into the news media, history would have been completely different but he was so afraid that the markets would get scared and hurt his chances for reelection. "Leader of the free world" is no longer synonym of potus.
--------------------------------------------
Now, back the theme at hand:

seems like we have a new more contagious strain, is this 10x10 or just another strain ten times as contagious as the original from wuhan?

some good news

In layman terms, it seems they have "cracked the code", they know how the virus works and there are more cheap medicines that can help. Vitamin D is key to fighting the virus and you should stop your medication for high blood pressure if you are suffering from covid19. Of course this still has to be tested "on the battlefield", but atm I have more optimism for this than for the vaccines they are testing around the world.

My apologies for not coming here daily. Also your timeline is a little bit lacking in events and actions taken between late December and mid March.

[serenade_beta]

Trump's not only a xenophobe, but he is also a sexist, racist, and practitioner of nepotism.
I mean, his supporters love these, and that is why they are supporting him, right? They couldn't be so out of touch with reality that they see him as an angel or something?

[TinyRedLeaf]

I'm of the opinion that when you reduce people to caricatures, that's when you lose touch with the reality of who they are, and what they're really going through.

It's just as easy for Trump-haters to describe his supporters as xenophobic, sexist and racist, as it is for them to accuse liberals of being elitist, communists and zealots.

Both sides have their lunatic fringe that, unfortunately, get associated with the whole. And it doesn't help constructive discussion if that is all we see. From what I read, rural, rust-belt America has real people with real problems. And because those problems aren't even acknowledged in any meaningful way, let alone addressed, you end up with the kind of polarising grievances that the rest of the world sees today.

I seriously doubt Trump is the solution. And that comes before what I think of him as a person (he's quite simply horrible). But neither is he the problem. He's the symptom of what ails America. If I were American, I would have supported — and still would support — Andrew Yang for the Democratic presidential nomination. But I guess he was too far ahead of his time, just as Bernie Sanders was a bit too far ahead just four to eight years ago.

Regardless of that, deal with the real issues, and not in caricatures. That's the start to solving things for real.

[Key Board]

I agree he's a symptom, but we are running out of time for a true cure.

We're just trying to mitigate damage now, because Trump just keeps doubling down.
He really is a unique kind of terrible.

As someone mentioned. I would rather fight a Biden administration for the next 4 years than a Trump administration.

Honestly one of the reasons things got this bad because people underestimated what the power of the executive seat can do.


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[OH&S]

I don't want to be "that" guy but I hope that ramlaen's insecurity with Trump admitting he downplayed the virus (which lead him to preemptively post to defend him even though the conversation had moved on) doesn't make everyone else forget that this is the Coronavirus discussion thread; not the MAGAvirus (Trump/2020 election) thread.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Originally Posted by OH&S

I don't want to be "that" guy but I hope that ramlaen's insecurity with Trump admitting he downplayed the virus (which lead him to preemptively post to defend him even though the conversation had moved on) doesn't make everyone else forget that this is the Coronavirus discussion thread; not the MAGAvirus (Trump/2020 election) thread.

My mistake, I got carried away.

[Psyco Diver]

The virus continues to be more of a joke between people here in North Carolina. No doubt it's seriousness but since it never impacted this area hard most people see it as joke. This winter is going to be interesting since everyone is relaxing on precautions

[Guardian Enzo]

False equivalency doesn't help. And there's no equivalency between what's happening on the fringes of the right and left in the US.

Trump as a symptom? Sure - he's the by-product of what the Republican Party has been morphing into for 20 years, a charlatan who cleverly took advantage of that. But in the moment, he's the threat. There's noting existential or hypothetical about the danger he represents to American democracy itself. And high-minded lecturing about the evils of the system and caricaturing groups of voters doesn't gloss over that fact.

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

From what I read, rural, rust-belt America has real people with real problems. And because those problems aren't even acknowledged in any meaningful way, let alone addressed, you end up with the kind of polarising grievances that the rest of the world sees today.

Not just the "Rust Belt" but the whole country has real people with real problems. Here's a graph contrasting growth in GDP and growth in the median income (both in real terms). Forty years of stagnant incomes while the economy soars breeds resentments that eventually show up politically.



Back in my day we spoke of the "revolution of rising expectations" as it applied to the less economically developed world especially in the wake of decolonisation. But it's also possible to have a revolution of "falling expectations" as larger and larger fractions of a population feel left behind. Sometimes it can lead to hopelessness and inaction, but sometimes it can lead to desperation and violence.

[Ithekro]

Basically the "American Dream", the owning a home style Middle Class, has basically become slowly stripped away. People are working two or more jobs to make ends meet. Lots of the time with little benefits because they are part time only. Some places don't hire full time employees anymore so they don't have to supply full benefits and retirement plans. People are working until they are in their 70s or more because they can't afford to not work due to expenses being too high verses what income they could see from social security and any retirement plan they might have gotten.

Meanwhile others find ways to retire by the age of 50, but it is dubious if they can rely on a stable income.

And the virus has pulled the rug out from under some people. I was on furlough for three months, but others are still not back to work, yet. Unemployment only goes so far. And some have had the businesses close permanently.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Originally Posted by EroKing

Oxford University vaccine trial paused after participant falls ill.

It was said at the time that this might be temporary and fortunately for the vaccine trial it was:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54132066

[barcode120x]

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata II

It was said at the time that this might be temporary and fortunately for the vaccine trial it was

Unfortunately, we can only monitor for acute side effects. We will not know the lingering after effects and side effects 1, 5, 10+ years down the road after a vaccine comes out.

Until my hospital mandates that we have to get the vaccine, I'll be steering far away from this vaccine. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for vaccines or prevention, but in science, you never want to rush something.

[Jaden]

"made in a lab" theory is back in play: https://archive.org/details/the-yan-report

From my reading of this, it's a more robust argument than the one made by Indian researchers back in April. The observations about restriction sites are especially sharp.

I still want to see a response from the scientific community before making up my mind, though. Dr. Yan (lead author of this paper) is somebody with a serious axe to grind against the CCP, and she's part of a non-profit organization that probably receives money from Steve Bannon. So it could be total propaganda.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by Jaden

From my reading of this, it's a more robust argument than the one made by Indian researchers back in April. The observations about restriction sites are especially sharp.

My very personal opinion is that "might have" is not sufficient proof.

I still want to see a response from the scientific community before making up my mind,

If covid19 has shown something is that the scientific community is like a herd of cats (as in, do not expect leadership, that is a politicians jobs), no scientist is going to say there is a silver bullet unless they have the silver bullet in their hands (and have had the time, money and enthusiasm to do the necesary tests).

though. Dr. Yan (lead author of this paper) is somebody with a serious axe to grind against the CCP, and she's part of a non-profit organization that probably receives money from Steve Bannon. So it could be total propaganda.

IMO the simple fact that she is living in the USA makes me suspicious that she could be looking to get a green card (or citizenship) as a reward from making this statements. Yeah, I do not think the trump administration is beyond of such tactics.