(L) Boku no Hero Academia

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by marvelB

@Somethingdarker: I'm not ignoring the fact that Endeavor is an expert in his field. I mean, he's the second-ranked hero for a darn good reason, after all. But I still say that those aforementioned skeletons in his closet make it hard to see him as the model hero that society claims him to be. Bakugou may be a total prick, but at least he's honest about his dickishness, as unpleasant as that fact may be (and something several characters have called him out on already, at that).


If I had to make a (very) loose comparison, I suppose I'd say that Endeavor is like Ozymandias while Bakugou is sort of a Rorschach (again, this is a very loose comparison). One is a two-faced opportunist who appears "perfect" in the eyes of the public, while the other is perceived by everyone as a violent maniac (which he in fact is, lol), but at least he DOES know what the heck he's doing when it comes to fighting crime, even if said crimefighting methods prove to be rather..... unsavory, to put it lightly. So I guess my ultimate point here is that Bakugou still could be recognized as a hero (or at least a vigilante), despite his vulgar attitude.... after all, aren't anti-heroes popular, too?




Oh, and yes, I already know Stain had Endeavor in his target list. In fact, that was the reason why I brought him up in the first place.





Stain was going to kill Iida because he was too hell-bent on revenge to care about saving lives. Who's to say he wouldn't target Bakugou for similar reasons (ESPECIALLY considering that guy's violent nature)?

Maybe I was wording my responses wrong. The reason he'd go after Endeavor is because he's two faced, he acts proper and heroic to civilians but behind the scenes he's vindictive, greedy and cruel. He wouldn't go after Bakugou because he's basically a paid thug who isn't heroic at all. Heroes are an IDEAL to strive for like All Might who's selfless, brave and willing to die for their beliefs or to protect, the entire point of this manga is to show what a heroics would become if it was turned into a business. They also serve to show the public to be responsible in how to use their quirk since like No. 13 said quirks can easily be used to hurt, kill or cause havoc which is why the heroic system was invented and why heroes fight villains. Bakugou doesn't fit the paradigm at all since if he WAS a hero it would just show kids and the public that even hooligans can become heroes.

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

ähhhm, actually, did you see the #2 of the heroes?
he brought his wife to get a mental collapse, if anything, the heroes in BNHA dont represent the best of mankind, they have flaws and this is good...


"got carried away" doesnt describe close of how much sh*t he did...
if #2 can become a "hero" with all his seflishness, and if midnight becomes popular and a hero too, and if others who simply work for the money become heroes too, than what makes kacchan different than them?

btw, i remember somewhere in the first few chapters kacchan denied to smoke a cigarette because it would go against the law (underage etc), so, he is still more "heroic" than the ones who dont do anything (normals) or outright do wrong things (villians)...
expelling him from the school could actually result in a typical "revenge-seeking-char" nobody wants that XD

PS: im curious about the things eraserhead said to allmight, mostlikely it concerns kacchan (afterall everyone else is rather "finished" (ok, momo deserves screentime, she needs to show what she can do, imagine that she creates guns/bombs and uses them...actually, her quirck is really powerful if it would be used in the correct way))

Again heroes are SUPPOSED to represent the best of humanity, and like I've said multiple times most don't. The entire point of Stain's character is to show that there are heroes like Endeavor who act one way in public and another in private or how if they weren't getting attention and money they wouldn't be heroic at all.

[LevelSeven]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Bakugou doesn't fit the paradigm at all since if he WAS a hero it would just show kids and the public that even hooligans can become heroes.

nobody in the hero business asks for a honest and good personality, they ask for strength and popularity-potential...
having kacchan as "bad-boy" in the hero business would bring far more money than a normal goody-good one... not saying that it is bad but the popularity of the bad-boys in many media-related topics speaks for itself...
remember what gran torino said? he didnt make the hero-exam because of heroic-things, actually, making the exam simply allows you to use your quirck legally in public...
and which people the "hero groups" take into their team...

Again heroes are SUPPOSED to represent the best of humanity, and like I've said multiple times most don't. The entire point of Stain's character is to show that there are heroes like Endeavor who act one way in public and another in private or how if they weren't getting attention and money they wouldn't be heroic at all.

actually, stain would go after kacchan, why not? was Iida a hooligan?
Stain wants to show the world how fake the current heroes are (with some excepions)... kacchan fit into his list as much as the people he already attacked...

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

nobody in the hero business asks for a honest and good personality, they ask for strength and popularity-potential...
having kacchan as "bad-boy" in the hero business would bring far more money than a normal goody-good one... not saying that it is bad but the popularity of the bad-boys in many media-related topics speaks for itself...
remember what gran torino said? he didnt make the hero-exam because of heroic-things, actually, making the exam simply allows you to use your quirck legally in public...
and which people the "hero groups" take into their team...

actually, stain would go after kacchan, why not? was Iida a hooligan?
Stain wants to show the world how fake the current heroes are (with some excepions)... kacchan fit into his list as much as the people he already attacked...

If the only requirement was strength then they wouldn't be called "heroes" if all they wanted was strength then why is someone like Deku there? ALL the heroes unanimously voted him in BECAUSE he embodies what UA, the mecca of heroics, is all about. He's the exact opposite of Bakugou who got in through sheer brute force because the test is in Eraserheads own words, illogical everything the school teaches circles back to public image and responsible use of quirks heroes are sold as larger than life representations of humanity's good intentions using their own power to protect the innocent. It doesn't matter what heroes' actual intentions for doing what they're doing because in the public eye they're the "good guys" Stains entire principle is about destroying modern heroics because they're hypocrites who aren't true heroes, look at what Best Jeanist said to Bakugou and that speaks volumes. Stain would not go after Bakugou because he isn't a hypocrite like most heroes who fight for fame, fortune or self gratification and then turn around to the public eye and say they fight for truth, justice and the "American Way". Bakugou fights to prove he's better than everyone else and to get to hurt people and it doesn't matter who knows it, thus he doesn't fit Stains M.O. The reason he went after Iida was because he was using heroics to get revenge for his brother Stain had an entire speech about it.

[Sixth]

Seriously, why is Bakugou keep yelling? How can someone as smart as him acting like a barbarian? Really hope that All Might will crush him completely in the next chapter.

[marvelB]

Actually, I'm not sure myself why I compared Bakugou to Rorschach.... it would have been way simpler to compare him to someone like the Incredible Hulk instead. A genius whose short temper turns him into a purely destructive force of nature.... yet he's still considered a superhero! Heck, if bomb-boy does become a pro, then his peers only need to keep him restrained (like at the end of the tournament) until a major villain comes along, then they can let him go hog wild!

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by marvelB

Actually, I'm not sure myself why I compared Bakugou to Rorschach.... it would have been way simpler to compare him to someone like the Incredible Hulk instead. A genius whose short temper turns him into a purely destructive force of nature.... yet he's still considered a superhero! Heck, if bomb-boy does become a pro, then his peers only need to keep him restrained (like at the end of the tournament) until a major villain comes along, then they can let him go hog wild!

Bakugou need someone like Hidan from Naruto.

Bakugou = Kakuzu

Bakugou's punching bad = Hidan

[theshade1]

LOL Bakugou's such an asshole. But I'll be lying if I said that wasn't part of his "charm"

Remember the author saying how he was supposed to be the nicest guy in his original plans, but he changed it. Well guess he went all out on that one

[LevelSeven]

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[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

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Why you gotta make your response so complicated

The bot was worth no points and he made it in via his heroic and selfless nature All might saw that, Iida and the rest of the students saw it and the teachers at UA saw that the outcome of the act doesn't matter. Aizawa said it himself the test is flawed good students with amazing powers and natures slip through the cracks because they're not "powerful" Shinsou has a quirk that is incredibly overpowered and it's easily a quirk that can be used for evil but he CHOSE to be a hero not because he wants fame and fortune but because, like Deku, it's what he wants to be.

Bakugou is powerful true and it's an important part of being a hero but he sends the wrong message to other would be heroes since that's all he is, powerful. Other would be heroes like Shinsou who see him, a selfish, loud, arrogant and violent hero who knows no mercy or justice would be put off. Heroes are supposed to inspire people not make them cower or feel intimidated.

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

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Oh he's the exact opposite of the spectrum. Deku is selfless, brave and empathetic a true hero. Bakugou is selfish, fragile minded and arrogant. Deku saved Todoroki at the cost of the festival, he was ready to die to protect All Might and Tsuyu and didn't back down from Stain. The reason Deku has more eyes on him and the respect of his friends is because of his instinctual nature to be a hero, people run to his aid and follow him on impulse. Bakugou on the other hand has no friends and his future as a "hero" is in question since he doesn't have anything of what makes a hero a hero he's a petulant child who thinks power is the only way while even when Deku had no power he was willing to fight a villain to save his bully. Yea they're complete opposites if Deku is Hal Jordan then Bakugou is Sinestro. At the end of the day when Bakugou meets someone truly powerful he'll save himself instead of holding his ground since it's been shown multiple times that once he can't win he breaks.

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

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"Hero - a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities."

Who's closer to that? Not Bakugou if you ask me, I'm not gonna break down everything Stain said since you can easily read it yourself. The reason he hates heroes is because they don't, in his mind, act like true heroes. To the public they act one way but behind closed doors they're nothing like what they appear to be. He wouldn't go after Bakugou since to Stain he's just a hired thug who's a hero by name only and isn't a hypocrite about it like say Mt. Lady. Society deems them heroes they're modeled after western comics, shit All Might is pretty much straight out of a 70's Captain Marvel(Shazam now) comic. They're sold to the public as heroes and that's how society views them and yes in the first chapter they DO sell themselves as "good guys". Being truly heroic isn't naive you can YouTube 100's of videos where normal people do extraordinary things not for fame but because it was the right thing to do. Stain wants heroes to all be like that, the way he was doing things is naive since he was basically sacrificing himself to restore "balance"instead going the hard way by changing the system from within. Honestly he woulda made a kick ass hero and it's a shame such a cool quirk and character had to become a villain.

Originally Posted by LevelSeven

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He has no sense of right and wrong he's self absorbed and thinks he's leagues above everyone else when in fact Todo, Deku(now), Iida and Crowbro could give him a run for his money if not straight up beat him. He's not heroic, he doesn't sell himself as a goody two-shoes nor has an interest in anything but being the strongest what would he do when(and it's pretty much a given) he can't become the strongest? He'd break plain and simple every time he's pressured or doesn't get his way he loses it. Stain wouldn't have any interest in him.

Anyone else feel this way? Or am I the only one who sees it? If someone agrees with me but for a different reason that I posted please share.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

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Oh he's the exact opposite of the spectrum. Deku is selfless, brave and empathetic a true hero. Bakugou is selfish, fragile minded and arrogant. Deku saved Todoroki at the cost of the festival, he was ready to die to protect All Might and Tsuyu and didn't back down from Stain. The reason Deku has more eyes on him and the respect of his friends is because of his instinctual nature to be a hero, people run to his aid and follow him on impulse. Bakugou on the other hand has no friends and his future as a "hero" is in question since he doesn't have anything of what makes a hero a hero he's a petulant child who thinks power is the only way while even when Deku had no power he was willing to fight a villain to save his bully. Yea they're complete opposites if Deku is Hal Jordan then Bakugou is Sinestro. At the end of the day when Bakugou meets someone truly powerful he'll save himself instead of holding his ground since it's been shown multiple times that once he can't win he breaks.

Come on, Bakugou isn't bad enough to compare him to Sinestro. He's more like Guy Gardner.

He's an ass, he's hard to get along with, he's disruptive, but at the end of the day, he's good at what he does, and he's willing to put himself on the line for others. Remember when the Villain Alliance attacked? He helped when he could have just ran away.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Come on, Bakugou isn't bad enough to compare him to Sinestro. He's more like Guy Gardner.

He's an ass, he's hard to get along with, he's disruptive, but at the end of the day, he's good at what he does, and he's willing to put himself on the line for others. Remember when the Villain Alliance attacked? He helped when he could have just ran away.

Against small fry he was wrecking sure he was full of confidence but we haven't seen him tested even Iida who was basically raised to be a hero he could barely fight through his fear and revenge to fight Stain. All I'm saying is every time we've seen Bakugou tested mentally he's failed.

My comparison stands Sinestro is full of confidence but when he's put through the wringer or he needs to fight through adversity he's breaks. Hal never has, even Guy Gardner(lol) never backed down against the army of Black Lanterns .

[BladeMancer]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Against small fry he was wrecking sure he was full of confidence but we haven't seen him tested even Iida who was basically raised to be a hero he could barely fight through his fear and revenge to fight Stain. All I'm saying is every time we've seen Bakugou tested mentally he's failed.

My comparison stands Sinestro is full of confidence but when he's put through the wringer or he needs to fight through adversity he's breaks. Hal never has, even Guy Gardner(lol) never backed down against the army of Black Lanterns .

Um no. When Sinestro was captured by the red lanterns he wasn't too particularly fearful of them

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by BladeMancer

Um no. When Sinestro was captured by the red lanterns he wasn't too particularly fearful of them

I'll be honest my Sinestro knowledge is lacking as I haven't read his stand alone comics much and out of the lantern side of things I only stick to Hal, Kyle, and Stewart. The only reason I mentioned him was because I did read one of his arcs, back in the late 90's mind you, where he was completely defeated and the reason given was because he was mentally weak.

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

I'll be honest my Sinestro knowledge is lacking as I haven't read his stand alone comics much and out of the lantern side of things I only stick to Hal, Kyle, and Stewart. The only reason I mentioned him was because I did read one of his arcs, back in the late 90's mind you, where he was completely defeated and the reason given was because he was mentally weak.

Yeah, Sinstero isn't the best comparison. He may be a villain but that is really just because he disagrees with the Green Lanterns about how to keep peace in the galaxy. He believes that they should rule with an iron fist and the Lantern Corp's job is to put fear into all criminals.

Not much in common with Baku.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by the one above all

Yeah, Sinstero isn't the best comparison. He may be a villain but that is really just because he disagrees with the Green Lanterns about how to keep peace in the galaxy. He believes that they should rule with an iron fist and the Lantern Corp's job is to put fear into all criminals.

Not much in common with Baku.

I didn't use him to say Bakugou's a villain, I've always liked Sinestro even though he's a "villain". I meant to say that Hal and Sinestro are total opposites and that Bakugou isn't a true hero like Hal is.

[marvelB]

I like how it seems that I sparked off this string of comparisons between Bakugou and famous super heroes/villains. I actually kind of find it to be a nice change of pace, personally.


And adding to that..... it occurred to me that if it's whiny bitches with super powers we're talking about here.... than isn't Bakugou more comparable to Superboy Prime?

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by marvelB

I like how it seems that I sparked off this string of comparisons between Bakugou and famous super heroes/villains. I actually kind of find it to be a nice change of pace, personally.


And adding to that..... it occurred to me that if it's whiny bitches with super powers we're talking about here.... than isn't Bakugou more comparable to Superboy Prime?

YES! You nailed it why the hell didn't I think of that!? Maybe Jason Todd also, from that one lame arc though you know the one where he was wearing that cone shit that the writer almost got lynched for making Todd a bitch.

[dragon1412]

To add more spice to discussion, seem like there is a genderbend Deku image in Pixiv

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http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.p...st_id=52845441

[sasoras]

think it'll look more practical if the same hair was retained.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Bakugou is one of the stronger students, but he completely lacks self-awareness. If he honestly understood his own capabilities and limitations, he would realize that All Might, even in his weakened state, could smash him into puddy with a single hit.