GATE - Light Novel Discussion

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by Om Nerabdator

thought the invading guys were all killed or captured

Supressing the invading force needed something like a week. Implied to be delayed by political scruffles in the parlament rather than actual lack of power from the army.

[Om Nerabdator]

Originally Posted by Okashira

Supressing the invading force needed something like a week. Implied to be delayed by political scruffles in the parlament rather than actual lack of power from the army.

thats true, i forgot about that

[aohige]

No guys, Noriko was kidnapped by recons prior to the invasion.
Dunno how that worked out, perhaps a smaller gate was opened beforehand, but there were scouts who went out to Japan and they brought back some civilians off the streets.

[Kamui04]

Originally Posted by aohige

No guys, Noriko was kidnapped by recons prior to the invasion.
Dunno how that worked out, perhaps a smaller gate was opened beforehand, but there were scouts who went out to Japan and they brought back some civilians off the streets.

Which begs the question: what were this scouts doing? What did they report back? Piña was awestruck when she first set step in Ginza with buildings towering over anything in the Empire, horseless carriages, etc...

[willx]

Originally Posted by Kamui04

Which begs the question: what were this scouts doing? What did they report back? Piña was awestruck when she first set step in Ginza with buildings towering over anything in the Empire, horseless carriages, etc...

That's a pretty huge logical inconsistency there..

[Breimoon]

well, maybe they ended in some rural place instead of the big city.

[Znail]

The scouts more outrageous reports were most likely ignored and not passed on to Pina.

[Awrya]

Do they have the ability to accurately spawn the gate at the desired location?
They might have spawned a gate in a nearby park to scout and abducted the person there.

[azziz]

Originally Posted by Awrya

Do they have the ability to accurately spawn the gate at the desired location?
They might have spawned a gate in a nearby park to scout and abducted the person there.

i don't think the empire has anything to do with the gate:they just took "advantage" of it when they discovered it and would have already closed it if they could;it must be some kind of super human being like the goth-loli shikigami for reasons only those who read the novels could explain.
So i'm waiting for confirmation;still,japanese sdf would be in deep shit should the gate close on them sudendly:how would they manage withouth amunitions?
they have a reputation to preserve+their life=another question to the novel readers.

[aohige]

Originally Posted by willx

That's a pretty huge logical inconsistency there..

Well, the overconfident and arrogant Emperor and Senate may have heard about their great towering buildings, but due to non-presence of military in today's modern rural areas, perhaps thought they were fangless and just great builders.

Nowadays most modern civilizations don't have a strong military presence in rural areas, thanks to separation of law enforcement and military, morally better cultured citizens, and federally managed armed forces. I'm sure an ancient civilization couldn't make sense out of it.

Pina on the other hand, her first exposure was the military force, so seeing the industrial background of the civilization was more of connecting dots.

I can see it like this:

"What hath the cloaked shadowelf scouts reported?"
"Sire, the nation on the other side of the gate is a massive civilization with towers topping the skies, the resource must be abundant"
"But what of their military might?"
"Sire, our scouts searched for hundreds of leagues, and spotted not one soldier or a guard post. No men in armor or single sighting of a sword or a spear, sire!"
"'Tis must be a land of fools! His majesty's army would crush these uncultured swines."

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by aohige

Well, the overconfident and arrogant Emperor and Senate may have heard about their great towering buildings, but due to non-presence of military in today's modern rural areas, perhaps thought they were fangless and just great builders.

Nowadays most modern civilizations don't have a strong military presence in rural areas, thanks to separation of law enforcement and military, morally better cultured citizens, and federally managed armed forces. I'm sure an ancient civilization couldn't make sense out of it.

Pina on the other hand, her first exposure was the military force, so seeing the industrial background of the civilization was more of connecting dots.

I can see it like this:

"What hath the cloaked shadowelf scouts reported?"
"Sire, the nation on the other side of the gate is a massive civilization with towers topping the skies, the resource must be abundant"
"But what of their military might?"
"Sire, our scouts searched for hundreds of leagues, and spotted not one soldier or a guard post. No men in armor or single sighting of a sword or a spear, sire!"
"'Tis must be a land of fools! His majesty's army would crush these uncultured swines."

i can see it happening knowing the emperor and the prince personality.
P/S: the story is going to continue ???, i thought that the end was quite ideal.

[ZeKeR]

... you know, the evil bastard within me wants them to display utter cruelty in front of their senate at the cost of shooting their way out like... shooting the kneecaps with a shotgun and slitting their throats in front of the king.

ethical stuff aside, having eye for an eye MAY be a good idea during the invasion of the capital, only without the looting, war rape and just plain massacring anyone that tries to get in their way. hell, the empire (and by some extent, our historical people) did that to their own, there's no reason to just sit idly and let the defenders survive.

[havensgate]

why the war last from v3-5? JSDF able to one-shot them right?
just tell (japan) diet that their citizen/s got kidnapped and forced to became sex slave by the empire, i believe majority of diet will agree to war.
JSDF can use wide area bombing to make the job easy, like napalm or even mustard bom

[Breimoon]

Originally Posted by havensgate

why the war last from v3-5? JSDF able to one-shot them right?
just tell (japan) diet that their citizen/s got kidnapped and forced to became sex slave by the empire, i believe majority of diet will agree to war.
JSDF can use wide area bombing to make the job easy, like napalm or even mustard bom

even in war they must make sure that normal people of the other side of the gate are safe otherwise America Russia and China are going to intervene(ever seen the american meme " freedom is here"?) so wide are bombings are out .

[Velsy]

Originally Posted by Okashira

Supressing the invading force needed something like a week. Implied to be delayed by political scruffles in the parlament rather than actual lack of power from the army.

It went for a week? I had assumed it was over in a day, as soon as the Apachi Gunships and tanks showed up, they tore them to shreds. So it took a week for Toyko to go into matial law? or something like that?

[Breimoon]

maybe it was not portrayed well in the manga since i did not notice a week passing by

[Direwolf18]

Originally Posted by havensgate

why the war last from v3-5? JSDF able to one-shot them right?
just tell (japan) diet that their citizen/s got kidnapped and forced to became sex slave by the empire, i believe majority of diet will agree to war.
JSDF can use wide area bombing to make the job easy, like napalm or even mustard bom

Two issues with that, first I assume you meant mustard gas, as in the chemical weapon. Officially its banned and illegal to use, because its "evil", unofficially its a very very ineffective weapon. It looks and sounds scary for the newsies, but any competent general in the modern era would laugh at using it. There is a good reason it was only really used in WW1. Far far to ineffective as a result of things like wind, or rain, or any kind of weather really. There is a reason while the amount of mustard gas (or any kind of chemical weapon including sarin) requires a far higher per pound usage then a conventional high explosive. Speaking of Japan a great case in point would be the 1995 Sarin Gas attack on the subways. An IDEAL location for it, a small enclosed area with no way out. And in 5 simultanius attacks 13 people died and 50 more were injured severely. Another 1000 had vision problems. If they used the same quantity of say C4 that would have been over a thousand dead.

Second issue is, large scale bombing. Technically Napalm is also banned. Japan also lacks bombers. They are considered an offensive weapon and they are prohibited from building and maintaining offensive weapons. That being said, they are building aircraft carriers and calling them destroyers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izumo-c...pter_destroyer
as well as re-establishing their marine corps next year, by arguing they aren't an offensive force, but will be used defensively to retake islands captured by a foreign power.

But that's neither here nor there.

[Roger Rambo]

It might have taken awhile to amass enough ground troops to effectively clear out all the enemy hostiles from inside the various buildings. Getting a few gunships moving is a relatively quick affair. Mobilizing regiments of infantry for ground combat immediately is something else. And even if they're only armed with primitive weapons, you don't wanna half ass clearing out this many hostiles from an urban environment.

[Kamui04]

Originally Posted by havensgate

why the war last from v3-5? JSDF able to one-shot them right?
just tell (japan) diet that their citizen/s got kidnapped and forced to became sex slave by the empire, i believe majority of diet will agree to war.
JSDF can use wide area bombing to make the job easy, like napalm or even mustard bom

And after your genocide the survivors will see you just as evil, if not worse than the former Empire... good luck convincing civilians in both sides of the Gate that you're the good guys.

[ZeKeR]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

It might have taken awhile to amass enough ground troops to effectively clear out all the enemy hostiles from inside the various buildings. Getting a few gunships moving is a relatively quick affair. Mobilizing regiments of infantry for ground combat immediately is something else. And even if they're only armed with primitive weapons, you don't wanna half ass clearing out this many hostiles from an urban environment.

and there's probably the possibility of friendly fire should civvies be still lingering about. the most troublesome weapon in the world ain't a gun that blasts bullets, its the media. hell, I'm not surprised that they may have already created a sea of BS just to discredit some people.