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Anyway, like I said, to discuss this further, we should probably create a new thread, as it's pretty much impossible to answer this sort of question with straight facts. At the end of the day, I think the key point to remember as it relates to Kannagi is that this was, for the most part, a manufactured "fiasco" put on by a group of troublemakers furthering a meme. While there may be some people who really have those sorts of feelings, they are by no means representative of all "otaku".
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In any case, I posted here because I wanted to find out whether Eri Takenashi had ceased work on the manga because those stabby former "fans" had threatened or actually endangered her personal safety. I'm not sure just where a thread about otaku obsession with seiyuu would go, frankly, though I'm sure a lot of us would like to know just who is most susceptible or the like. I don't hear people screeching about Miyuki Sawashiro, for instance, despite her starring role in Rozen Maiden or in Kannagi. |
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2011-10-26, 04:21 | Link #83 |
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You're confusing *some* japanese for *the* Japanese. We're talking a very small subset of dysfunctional obsessive "fans" (I use the term loosely because I think it insults most otaku to be grouped with this extreme fringe much like many other subcultures). These few extremists don't *have* a clue about healthy relationships and their antics make other hobbyists embarrassed to admit their hobby.
At one point, I wondered if the "virgin idol" was some deviant incarnation of the "virgin shrine maiden" archetype but I've dropped that theory after analysis -- we're purely dealing with people who might be characterized as having social function disorders and bordering on mental illness. Couple that with a large group of trolls who simply enjoy the mayhem of pretending to be outraged by seiyuu being human beings and amplifying the hate ... and you get puerile nonsense like the Kannagi incident or this sporadic "omg, she's a 3d girl and I won't be her first!" lunacy. The internet tends to magnify the apparent numbers of this rather small group of dysfunctionals and their trollish emulators. No one, famous or not, should have to tolerate this infantile bullshit. Takenashi claimed it was for "health reasons" but the evidence looks pretty good that the droolers and trolls had sucked her desire to create a story with their hatemail, threats, and generally dishonorable behavior. Relentless was pretty thorough in describing the various players in this nonsense and why some seiyuu seem to escape while others are brutalized by 'bad behavior from obsessives'.
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2011-10-26, 21:30 | Link #84 |
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No, I didn't say that all Japanese got stabby over the Kannagi virginity fiasco. I said that things like religious attitudes exalting virginity don't appear to exist commonly throughout Japan (it isn't an Islamic theocracy, for instance). I didn't mean to imply that the Japanese got involved in virginity fiascos.
I'm still confused; was Eri Takenashi stalked or physically confronted/assaulted for her "indiscretion"? People who are deranged enough to do that are by no means unheard of, as Nana Mizuki and Mai Kadowaki learned to their cost. In any case, I hope Takenashi recovers from this quickly enough to finish the series and allow more episodes of the Kannagi anime to be made. |
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1. You have to allow a little bit for romantic fantasy. I'm sure most people are well aware of how difficult it is to make a relationship work and just how much it costs. But some people still have a dream of having a "fairytale romance", whether that's with a celebrity, someone who's rich, or whatever... even if they know that isn't realistic. When people vote on these "surveys", they're talking about what they're dreaming of, not what they'd settle for. 2. Consider the source. That website's business model is to gain readership by constantly drawing at the well of the most sensationalist conversations on 2ch. Their goal is certainly not to provide balanced coverage of the challenges facing Japan's young adult population. Anyway, breaking through the social barriers to get to know someone's true self is not easy. This is why a lot of romantic fantasy also focuses on things like childhood friends and half-siblings and so on -- it's an excuse to already be close to someone without having to go through all the work of breaking the ice. (Even in this very work: the two main heroines are a goddess met through a fated encounter and the protagonist's childhood friend. ) Again, it's not as if people don't know how much work it is in reality, but these unrealistic fantasies are supposed to be in contrast to reality (that's why they're fantasies). Nobody's dream is "I hope to go twenty years working hard to meet someone, getting rejected more times than I can count, until finally settling with someone I can merely tolerate because my biological clock is ticking and this is the best I'm probably ever going to get". All this is even setting aside the few "crazies" who take innocent/normal dreams/fantasies too far. Anyway, that aside, I don't think there were any reports that Eri Takenashi was physically assaulted, but it was mostly emotional/psychological taunting and attacks, such as death threats and the like. To an artist who depends on their creativity to work, that can likely be as devastating. But in the end, whatever additional medical conditions she may have had have been kept private.
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2011-10-30, 02:19 | Link #86 |
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I'm a fan of Hakua myself. But sometimes the creators take the ire of fans and turn it right back at them, like Hideaki Anno did with End of Evangelion. Maybe Eri Takenashi could do something like that, such as incorporate a stupid character who wants to be Nagi's boyfriend no matter what.
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2012-12-15, 06:22 | Link #87 |
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Hello.
I am a really big fan of Kannagi Anime. It only released 13 Episodes (2 runs) as the Anime, but it released 7 runs as Manga. I have read all around about the creators illness, and how Anime stopped airing. (Wikipedia, ...) My question is, will the Anime continue that was left alone since 2008? I would really like to get an answer, because 4 years of no activity may mean that there will be no further episodes. Edit: In short, if you know, please tell me if we can expect any new Anime episodes after a long break. Thank-you! |
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I have a half dozen series I'd love to see more seasons of, but after a few years I'm generally not getting too optimistic.
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2012-12-16, 06:15 | Link #90 |
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Yeah, I don't want to give false hopes. The end of the first season just screamed for a follow-on second season. But the manga story itself has gotten pretty complicated (in addition to the hiatus problems, the story itself). Complicated translates to hard to adapt/compress/summarize without pissing fans off.
There's been a trend to have a season that synchronizes with the last book of a manga (e.g. Toradora!) because that creates buzz and sales. We'll see.
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Yeah, we shall see.
However, unlike let's say Clannad, Kannagi Manga is still in making, so there still might be some chance. It also did not have a strong ending. Hmph, hope they will even want to get on it after 5 years... |
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It's been quite some time since anyone has posted in the Kannagi forum section.
Anyhow, continuing the discussion regaridng the Second Season coming or not, I now strongly think that there will be no SS. The Manga chapters are getting released more or less slowly, and I do not think they are getting much attention. Plus, the First Season aired almost 5 years ago, so summing up the chances, they are pretty slim. Eh, it is just that feeling when one of your favourite anime series only gets a half-season and no more. :/ I really hope I'm not the only one who still stares at the Kannagi Wallpapers for hours. |
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